May 17, 20214 yr 46 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: She's also right. She clearly does not think that. She knows the CDC issues guidances and, like me, believes that this guidance was recklessly premature. Yes, it is a state and local decision, but these states and localities largely set policy according to these guidances. I think that the position taken by the CDC is scientifically reasonable in theory, but in reality it is not, because many unvaccinated people will still remove their masks anyway. Until all age groups have had adequate time to get fully vaccinated, this policy is premature. If she understood what the CDC does, then she wouldn’t claim that the CDC ended mask mandates...... How is it premature to state that the evidence shows that vaccinated people are at extremely low risk of transmitting the virus? If someone chooses to not get vaccinated and gets sick because they decides to not wear a mask and go inside with other unvaccinated people and gets sick, oh well. At this point we’ve led the horse to the water, but its face right at the water, and showed it how to drink. If the horse still decides not to drink at this point, then that’s entirely on the horse. "Until all age groups have had adequate time to get fully vaccinated, this policy is premature.” Once again, the CDC isn’t making policy. They are providing the evidence based conclusion that vaccinated people carry extremely low risk of transmitting the virus, and therefore there isn’t a need for vaccinated people to wear a mask. How states and municipalities and businesses use that conclusion to shape their own policies is up to them. 51 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Huh?
May 17, 20214 yr 26 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: If she understood what the CDC does, then she wouldn’t claim that the CDC ended mask mandates..... She didn't. She said it would "...inevitably lead to end of mask mandates," which is 100% accurate. It's already happening. Most states align their regulations to CDC guidances. 26 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: How is it premature to state that the evidence shows that vaccinated people are at extremely low risk of transmitting the virus? I'm already repeating myself on this topic with you, after posting about it several times in here last week, but the issue at hand is not from vaccinated people spreading it, it's that you will now have large numbers of unvaccinated people spreading it to OTHER unvaccinated people, most likely those in younger age categories who have not had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated yet. There are even many adults and kids in the 16-18 age range who are still waiting on second doses and are thus not fully protected. This, of course, aids circulation and mutation of the virus at a critical stage that can encourage the development of newer, more virulent variants. I think it would've been wise to hold off on this change for another 1-2 months. 26 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Once again, the CDC isn’t making policy. They are providing the evidence based conclusion that vaccinated people carry extremely low risk of transmitting the virus, and therefore there isn’t a need for vaccinated people to wear a mask. How states and municipalities and businesses use that conclusion to shape their own policies is up to them. And, once again, you are looking at this in a vaccuum. The CDC issues guidances, and a lot of states adjust their policies to those guidances. When the CDC said that "vaccinated people can freely remove their masks indoors," it caused a ripple-effect of states changing their mandates to a "honor system" where anyone could just act as if they were vaccinated, when in reality they are not and have no plans of doing so. 26 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Huh? i just had to roll my eyes at that statement. I've enjoyed reading his posts and he offers good perspective on the medical science, but pontificating about the possibility of a patent waiver as "the slippery slope to communism" is fallacious fear-mongering. With that said, I completely understand why the issue is controversial, and if you think it's the proverbial "can of worms," fair enough. Personally, I'm on the fence about it, but I think one would do better to express such thoughts with a little more delicacy and a little less hypberole.
May 17, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, DEagle7 said: I also love the implication that being an anesthesiologist would preclude you from understanding anything about COVID too. As if they haven't been managing the airways and sedation of the sickest patients through this whole thing. Show Reply No, you missed the point. So you're taking a person that is working day in and day with the sickest people and projecting their views onto society as a whole. And you don't think that would be biased?? How is their experience anything like what healthy people are going to experience? 1 hour ago, mikemack8 said: Yeah but did he stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night? Three rooms down from the CDC Director too, apparently.
May 17, 20214 yr 14 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: I'm already repeating myself on this topic with you, after posting about it several times in here last week, but the issue at hand is not from vaccinated people spreading it, it's that you will now have large numbers of unvaccinated people spreading it to OTHER unvaccinated people, most likely those in younger age categories who have not had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated yet. 1) if unvaccinated adults spread it to other unvaccinated adults, then oh well. If a person chooses to not get vaccinated and then chooses to not wear a mask when they are inside a crowded space, then that’s on them. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. 2) with regards to kids, I imagine most of the time if they are inside somewhere, they aren’t alone, they’re with their parents. So the parents should have them wear a mask if they are in a place where there could be a prevalence of unvaccinated people. "just had to roll my eyes at that statement” Oh my bad I saw the quote come from me, and quickly reading it I was like, wait I didn’t say that lol. Sure there was hyperbole in his statement, but there’s definitely truth in the underlying message. If we waive patent waivers, then what is the incentive in the future for a private company to invest their own funds for R&D?
May 17, 20214 yr @EaglesRocker97 I’m kinda torn on this, but if you’re irresponsible enough to avoid getting the vaccine then you’re probably not wearing a mask around anyway. In other words, these people are going to spread the disease regardless of what the CDC does or says.
May 17, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: 1) if unvaccinated adults spread it to other unvaccinated adults, then oh well. If a person chooses to not get vaccinated and then chooses to not wear a mask when they are inside a crowded space, then that’s on them. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I totally agree. I'm just saying that there are some adults and plenty of young teens in the middle of getting vaccinated because they followed protocol and waited until they opened it to all groups. 4 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: 2) with regards to kids, I imagine most of the time if they are inside somewhere, they aren’t alone, they’re with their parents. So the parents should have them wear a mask if they are in a place where there could be a prevalence of unvaccinated people. I don't have kids, but from what I gather, this is making a lot parents feel uncomfortable about their kids now potentially being at a higher risk for exposure. WGB seemed to feel similarly. Thankfully, my school district said that we're sticking with masks through the end of the school year, but the governor seems to have passed the buck on this and stopped at simply "encouraging" schools to continue with masking policies. When my school announced that we were last night, the response seemed to be overwhelmingly in support. 6 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Oh my bad I saw the quote come from me, and quickly reading it I was like, wait I didn’t say that lol. Sure there was hyperbole in his statement, but there’s definitely truth in the underlying message. If we waive patent waivers, then what is the incentive in the future for a private company to invest their own funds for R&D? Yeah, sorry, I realize now that could've been misleading. I like the way you said it better. It does raise a lot of questions. I'd say that, if they're receiving government funding, then I think it can be reasoned that the government has greater interest/legitimacy in some kind of intervention. But, from what I understand, Pfizer did not take federal funds, so they would be on solid grounds to raise objections over this.
May 17, 20214 yr 27 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: Staples is laminating vaccine cards for free. FYI i know someone who is printing out fake vaccine cards from his home.
May 17, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: Staples is laminating vaccine cards for free. FYI I've heard that you might not want to do, this, though, because there are slots for boosters on the card, as well. So, if you need a follow-up dose, it'll be kind of hard to write on a laminated card. Pens don't work, and marker rubs off easily. I made high-resolution scans of ours, and then we locked them in a firesafe box with our other important documents.
May 17, 20214 yr 14 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: @EaglesRocker97 I’m kinda torn on this, but if you’re irresponsible enough to avoid getting the vaccine then you’re probably not wearing a mask around anyway. In other words, these people are going to spread the disease regardless of what the CDC does or says. Sure, but lets give folks in the back of the line a little longer to fully acquire immunity before we let the sociopaths freely sow their toxic oats.
May 17, 20214 yr took hunt jr for his first shot on friday. it was surprisingly easy to get him an appt...used some website that checks the cvs, walgreens, & rite aids in the area and was able to get him an appt for the following day. probably could've gotten same day had i checked it earlier on thurs.
May 17, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: I've heard that you might not want to do, this, though, because there are slots for boosters on the card, as well. So, if you need a follow-up dose, it'll be kind of hard to write on a laminated card. Pens don't work, and marker rubs off easily. I made high-resolution scans of ours, and then we locked them in a firesafe box with our other important documents. the wife picked up a few of these. they work well since you can easily take the card out to document future micro chippings!
May 17, 20214 yr 18 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: @EaglesRocker97 I’m kinda torn on this, but if you’re irresponsible enough to avoid getting the vaccine then you’re probably not wearing a mask around anyway. In other words, these people are going to spread the disease regardless of what the CDC does or says. I was just about to post a similar thought. Look, we’re a year and 2 months into this, everyone in the world is well aware of the benefits to wearing a mask and the effectiveness of the vaccine. So there’s basically 2 groups of people - the group that believes the science, wears masks and has gotten it will get the vaccine (and who will wear their mask until they get the vaccine) - and then there’s the people that don’t believe the science, wore the masks begrudgingly, won’t get the vaccine. I think at this point, the people that want to be protected are protected and/or will be soon. So let Darwin sort out the rest.
May 17, 20214 yr 48 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: And, once again, you are looking at this in a vaccuum. The CDC issues guidances, and a lot of states adjust their policies to those guidances. When the CDC said that "vaccinated people can freely remove their masks indoors," it caused a ripple-effect of states changing their mandates to a "honor system" where anyone could just act as if they were vaccinated, when in reality they are not and have no plans of doing so. agreed...we're relying on the honor system. problem is...the ones not wearing masks or getting vaccinated are nutbag science deniers who think trump won the election. you can draw your own conclusions as to how "honorable" those people are. let my kid get his 2nd vaccine before letting those moroons spread covid to each other.
May 17, 20214 yr Seems like at this point if you aren't vaccinated it is a choice. So why should I be concerned about unvaccinated people's risk in regards to covid? Also what is the CDC supposed to do, pretend we still need masks until the entire population is vaccinated? Personally I'd much rather the CDC just share truthful information rather than manipulate the release of information to try to control the public like they did in the first place with masks in the beginning. I get the argument that it may be better for them to do that in this particular case, but I'm generally against any government agency manipulating information to control the public as a rule.
May 17, 20214 yr 35 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: the wife picked up a few of these. they work well since you can easily take the card out to document future micro chippings! Look at you rocking that lanyard and fanny pack.
May 17, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said: Seems like at this point if you aren't vaccinated it is a choice. So why should I be concerned about unvaccinated people's risk in regards to covid? Also what is the CDC supposed to do, pretend we still need masks until the entire population is vaccinated? Personally I'd much rather the CDC just share truthful information rather than manipulate the release of information to try to control the public like they did in the first place with masks in the beginning. I get the argument that it may be better for them to do that in this particular case, but I'm generally against any government agency manipulating information to control the public as a rule. Actually there are many places still fully booked close to me so I am waiting a few more weeks
May 17, 20214 yr The chicken-little idiocy on the left to the new CDC guidance is truly insane, if not at all surprising. We now have evidence that vaccinated people who do get COVID don't get a high enough viral load to spread it to others. So there is no point at all in making vaccinated people where masks, other than theater. We waited for the science and data, and it came in positive. For those whining "but this means unvaccinated people will cheat and go maskless" -- well, yeah. They've already been doing that. Spoiler alert -- you can't fix stupid. But continuing to restrict those who have been responsible and gotten vaccinated because morons might be morons is well...moronic. For those who want to be vaccinated and haven't been (e.g., kids), keep wearing a mask to protect yourself. But the idea that responsible people need to continue to be inconvenienced because morons exist...morons will always exist. We aren't going to wear masks forever. Be happy. It's OK. This crap is finally ending. Morons will get sick, and I still support the idea that insurance companies should be allowed to deny care to those who choose not to get vaccinated and get sick (this will never happen, but it would work). But maybe...just maybe...showing people a reason to get the shot will get some of the morons to get vaccinated. Either way, put masks on your kids and take them to Chuck E. Cheese -- this is GOOD news.
May 17, 20214 yr 29 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said: Seems like at this point if you aren't vaccinated it is a choice. So why should I be concerned about unvaccinated people's risk in regards to covid? Also what is the CDC supposed to do, pretend we still need masks until the entire population is vaccinated? Personally I'd much rather the CDC just share truthful information rather than manipulate the release of information to try to control the public like they did in the first place with masks in the beginning. I get the argument that it may be better for them to do that in this particular case, but I'm generally against any government agency manipulating information to control the public as a rule. Bill, you gotta be full in on this. You cannot start giving justifications to manipulating data for control. There is NEVER a justification for it. If there is a reason that the data is indicative of control measures becoming necessary, then the data need not be manipulated. If the data need be manipulated to initiate control, then the control was the goal in the first place. This was never as deadly TO HEALTHY, NON-OBESE, NON-HYPERTENSIVE, NON-ELDERLY populations. And, as we've found out now, less deadly to white people too. I don't want to use THAT statistic as a "gotcha", but it does lower my family's risk too. So, again, personal decisions. The fact that this is now widely accepted and others in here are rushing off to vaccinate their kids F'ing BLOWS MY MIND. To others: Are you afraid for yourself, or your kids? Is it because you're high risk that you're concerned for your kids getting sick? Are you not going to let them go to school? They are literally more likely to die in the car on the way to school than they are to die from COVID. Guess you better start homeschooling, or you're a hypocrite.
May 17, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, vikas83 said: The chicken-little idiocy on the left to the new CDC guidance is truly insane, if not at all surprising. We now have evidence that vaccinated people who do get COVID don't get a high enough viral load to spread it to others. So there is no point at all in making vaccinated people where masks, other than theater. We waited for the science and data, and it came in positive. For those whining "but this means unvaccinated people will cheat and go maskless" -- well, yeah. They've already been doing that. Spoiler alert -- you can't fix stupid. But continuing to restrict those who have been responsible and gotten vaccinated because morons might be morons is well...moronic. For those who want to be vaccinated and haven't been (e.g., kids), keep wearing a mask to protect yourself. But the idea that responsible people need to continue to be inconvenienced because morons exist...morons will always exist. We aren't going to wear masks forever. Be happy. It's OK. This crap is finally ending. Morons will get sick, and I still support the idea that insurance companies should be allowed to deny care to those who choose not to get vaccinated and get sick (this will never happen, but it would work). But maybe...just maybe...showing people a reason to get the shot will get some of the morons to get vaccinated. Either way, put masks on your kids and take them to Chuck E. Cheese -- this is GOOD news. Bull F'ing crap. You didn't wait for crap. You still have the death count being reported at 586,000 people. CDC Logic Unvaccinated: Gets COVID, dies, must be COVID. Vaccinated: Gets COVID, dies, must be underlying health condition. Until they revise the numbers to reflect the PROPER and UPDATED method of approaching deaths, then this whole thing has been a sham. BTW, I am unvaccinated and have NEVER stepped foot into a store without a mask. So this idea that unvaccinated people lack empathy or concern for others is BS. I just don't subscribe to the idea that *I* must inject drugs into my body to help *YOU* get over your fears!
May 17, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, vikas83 said: The chicken-little idiocy on the left to the new CDC guidance is truly insane, if not at all surprising. We now have evidence that vaccinated people who do get COVID don't get a high enough viral load to spread it to others. So there is no point at all in making vaccinated people where masks, other than theater. We waited for the science and data, and it came in positive. For those whining "but this means unvaccinated people will cheat and go maskless" -- well, yeah. They've already been doing that. Spoiler alert -- you can't fix stupid. But continuing to restrict those who have been responsible and gotten vaccinated because morons might be morons is well...moronic. For those who want to be vaccinated and haven't been (e.g., kids), keep wearing a mask to protect yourself. But the idea that responsible people need to continue to be inconvenienced because morons exist...morons will always exist. We aren't going to wear masks forever. Be happy. It's OK. This crap is finally ending. Morons will get sick, and I still support the idea that insurance companies should be allowed to deny care to those who choose not to get vaccinated and get sick (this will never happen, but it would work). But maybe...just maybe...showing people a reason to get the shot will get some of the morons to get vaccinated. Either way, put masks on your kids and take them to Chuck E. Cheese -- this is GOOD news. Couldn't have said it better myself. It's time to take the masks off.
May 17, 20214 yr Just now, IFB DOG said: Bull F'ing crap. You didn't wait for crap. You still have the death count being reported at 586,000 people. CDC Logic Unvaccinated: Gets COVID, dies, must be COVID. Vaccinated: Gets COVID, dies, must be underlying health condition. Until they revise the numbers to reflect the PROPER and UPDATED method of approaching deaths, then this whole thing has been a sham. BTW, I am unvaccinated and have NEVER stepped foot into a store without a mask. So this idea that unvaccinated people lack empathy or concern for others is BS. I just don't subscribe to the idea that *I* must inject drugs into my body to help *YOU* get over your fears! The science being referred to was the fact that vaccinated people don't spread the disease. Seems your reading comprehension skills are as lacking as your portion control abilities.
May 17, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, vikas83 said: The science being referred to was the fact that vaccinated people don't spread the disease. Seems your reading comprehension skills are as lacking as your portion control abilities. You don't bother me with the fat jokes, buddy. It just shows that you have to deflect from the reality of the situation. Apparently vaccinated people don't die from COVID either. Just other things. Right? Go back to India and save your people. It's over here. Your fear mongering doesn't matter any longer.
May 17, 20214 yr 16 minutes ago, vikas83 said: For those whining "but this means unvaccinated people will cheat and go maskless" -- well, yeah. They've already been doing that. Spoiler alert -- you can't fix stupid. Why try. Just leave it to natural selection.
May 17, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, IFB DOG said: Bull F'ing crap. You didn't wait for crap. You still have the death count being reported at 586,000 people. What is it?
May 17, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, IFB DOG said: You don't bother me with the fat jokes, buddy. It just shows that you have to deflect from the reality of the situation. Apparently vaccinated people don't die from COVID either. Just other things. Right? Go back to India and save your people. It's over here. Your fear mongering doesn't matter any longer. Dude....
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