3 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

1) if unvaccinated adults spread it to other unvaccinated adults, then oh well.  If a person chooses to not get vaccinated and then chooses to not wear a mask when they are inside a crowded space, then that’s on them.  Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. 

I totally agree. I'm just saying that there are some adults and plenty of young teens in the middle of getting vaccinated because they followed protocol and waited until they opened it to all groups.

 

4 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

2) with regards to kids, I imagine most of the time if they are inside somewhere, they aren’t alone, they’re with their parents.  So the parents should have them wear a mask if they are in a place where there could be a prevalence of unvaccinated people.

I don't have kids, but from what I gather, this is making a lot parents feel uncomfortable about their kids now potentially being at a higher risk for exposure. WGB seemed to feel similarly. Thankfully, my school district said that we're sticking with masks through the end of the school year, but the governor seems to have passed the buck on this and stopped at simply "encouraging" schools to continue with masking policies. When my school announced that we were last night, the response seemed to be overwhelmingly in support.

 

 

6 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Oh my bad I saw the quote come from me, and quickly reading it I was like, wait I didn’t say that lol.

Sure there was hyperbole in his statement, but there’s definitely truth in the underlying message.  If we waive patent waivers, then what is the incentive in the future for a private company to invest their own funds for R&D? 

Yeah, sorry, I realize now that could've been misleading. I like the way you said it better. It does raise a lot of questions. I'd say that, if they're receiving government funding, then I think it can be reasoned that the government has greater interest/legitimacy in some kind of intervention. But, from what I understand, Pfizer did not take federal funds, so they would be on solid grounds to raise objections over this.

27 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Staples is laminating vaccine cards for free.  FYI

i know someone who is printing out fake vaccine cards from his home.  

11 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Staples is laminating vaccine cards for free.  FYI

I've heard that you might not want to do, this, though, because there are slots for boosters on the card, as well. So, if you need a follow-up dose, it'll be kind of hard to write on a laminated card. Pens don't work, and marker rubs off easily. I made high-resolution scans of ours, and then we locked them in a firesafe box with our other important documents.

14 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

@EaglesRocker97

I’m kinda torn on this, but if you’re irresponsible enough to avoid getting the vaccine then you’re probably not wearing a mask around anyway.  In other words, these people are going to spread the disease regardless of what the CDC does or says.

Sure, but lets give folks in the back of the line a little longer to fully acquire immunity before we let the sociopaths freely sow their toxic oats.

took hunt jr for his first shot on friday. it was surprisingly easy to get him an appt...used some website that checks the cvs, walgreens, & rite aids in the area and was able to get him an appt for the following day.  probably could've gotten same day had i checked it earlier on thurs. 

4 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

I've heard that you might not want to do, this, though, because there are slots for boosters on the card, as well. So, if you need a follow-up dose, it'll be kind of hard to write on a laminated card. Pens don't work, and marker rubs off easily. I made high-resolution scans of ours, and then we locked them in a firesafe box with our other important documents.

the wife picked up a few of these. 

 

they work well since you can easily take the card out to document future micro chippings! 

18 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

@EaglesRocker97

I’m kinda torn on this, but if you’re irresponsible enough to avoid getting the vaccine then you’re probably not wearing a mask around anyway.  In other words, these people are going to spread the disease regardless of what the CDC does or says.

I was just about to post a similar thought.  Look, we’re a year and 2 months into this, everyone in the world is well aware of the benefits to wearing a mask and the effectiveness of the vaccine. So there’s basically 2 groups of people - the group that believes the science, wears masks and has gotten it will get the vaccine (and who will wear their mask until they get the vaccine) - and then there’s the people that don’t believe the science, wore the masks begrudgingly, won’t get the vaccine.  I think at this point, the people that want to be protected are protected and/or will be soon.  So let Darwin sort out the rest.  
 

 

48 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

And, once again, you are looking at this in a vaccuum. The CDC issues guidances, and a lot of states adjust their policies to those guidances. When the CDC said that "vaccinated people can freely remove their masks indoors," it caused a ripple-effect of states changing their mandates to a "honor system" where anyone could just act as if they were vaccinated, when in reality they are not and have no plans of doing so.
 

agreed...we're relying on the honor system. problem is...the ones not wearing masks or getting vaccinated are nutbag science deniers who think trump won the election.   you can draw your own conclusions as to how "honorable" those people are.  

 

let my kid get his 2nd vaccine before letting those moroons spread covid to each other. 

Seems like at this point if you aren't vaccinated it is a choice. So why should I be concerned about unvaccinated people's risk in regards to covid?

Also what is the CDC supposed to do, pretend we still need masks until the entire population is vaccinated? Personally I'd much rather the CDC just share truthful information rather than manipulate the release of information to try to control the public like they did in the first place with masks in the beginning. I get the argument that it may be better for them to do that in this particular case, but I'm generally against any government agency manipulating information to control the public as a rule. 

35 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

the wife picked up a few of these. 

 

they work well since you can easily take the card out to document future micro chippings! 

Look at you rocking that lanyard and fanny pack.

11 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said:

Seems like at this point if you aren't vaccinated it is a choice. So why should I be concerned about unvaccinated people's risk in regards to covid?

Also what is the CDC supposed to do, pretend we still need masks until the entire population is vaccinated? Personally I'd much rather the CDC just share truthful information rather than manipulate the release of information to try to control the public like they did in the first place with masks in the beginning. I get the argument that it may be better for them to do that in this particular case, but I'm generally against any government agency manipulating information to control the public as a rule. 

Actually there are many places still fully booked close to me so I am waiting a few more weeks

The chicken-little idiocy on the left to the new CDC guidance is truly insane, if not at all surprising. We now have evidence that vaccinated people who do get COVID don't get a high enough viral load to spread it to others. So there is no point at all in making vaccinated people where masks, other than theater. We waited for the science and data, and it came in positive. 

For those whining "but this means unvaccinated people will cheat and go maskless" -- well, yeah. They've already been doing that. Spoiler alert -- you can't fix stupid. But continuing to restrict those who have been responsible and gotten vaccinated because morons might be morons is well...moronic. For those who want to be vaccinated and haven't been (e.g., kids), keep wearing a mask to protect yourself. But the idea that responsible people need to continue to be inconvenienced because morons exist...morons will always exist. We aren't going to wear masks forever. 

Be happy. It's OK. This crap is finally ending. Morons will get sick, and I still support the idea that insurance companies should be allowed to deny care to those who choose not to get vaccinated and get sick (this will never happen, but it would work). But maybe...just maybe...showing people a reason to get the shot will get some of the morons to get vaccinated. Either way, put masks on your kids and take them to Chuck E. Cheese -- this is GOOD news.

29 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said:

Seems like at this point if you aren't vaccinated it is a choice. So why should I be concerned about unvaccinated people's risk in regards to covid?

Also what is the CDC supposed to do, pretend we still need masks until the entire population is vaccinated? Personally I'd much rather the CDC just share truthful information rather than manipulate the release of information to try to control the public like they did in the first place with masks in the beginning. I get the argument that it may be better for them to do that in this particular case, but I'm generally against any government agency manipulating information to control the public as a rule. 

Bill, you gotta be full in on this. You cannot start giving justifications to manipulating data for control.  There is NEVER a justification for it. If there is a reason that the data is indicative of control measures becoming necessary, then the data need not be manipulated.  If the data need be manipulated to initiate control, then the control was the goal in the first place.  

 

This was never as deadly TO HEALTHY, NON-OBESE, NON-HYPERTENSIVE, NON-ELDERLY populations.  And, as we've found out now, less deadly to white people too. I don't want to use THAT statistic as a "gotcha", but it does lower my family's risk too.  So, again, personal decisions.

 

The fact that this is now widely accepted and others in here are rushing off to vaccinate their kids F'ing BLOWS MY MIND.   

 

To others: Are you afraid for yourself, or your kids?  Is it because you're high risk that you're concerned for your kids getting sick?  Are you not going to let them go to school? They are literally more likely to die in the car on the way to school than they are to die from COVID. Guess you better start homeschooling, or you're a hypocrite. 

10 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The chicken-little idiocy on the left to the new CDC guidance is truly insane, if not at all surprising. We now have evidence that vaccinated people who do get COVID don't get a high enough viral load to spread it to others. So there is no point at all in making vaccinated people where masks, other than theater. We waited for the science and data, and it came in positive. 

For those whining "but this means unvaccinated people will cheat and go maskless" -- well, yeah. They've already been doing that. Spoiler alert -- you can't fix stupid. But continuing to restrict those who have been responsible and gotten vaccinated because morons might be morons is well...moronic. For those who want to be vaccinated and haven't been (e.g., kids), keep wearing a mask to protect yourself. But the idea that responsible people need to continue to be inconvenienced because morons exist...morons will always exist. We aren't going to wear masks forever. 

Be happy. It's OK. This crap is finally ending. Morons will get sick, and I still support the idea that insurance companies should be allowed to deny care to those who choose not to get vaccinated and get sick (this will never happen, but it would work). But maybe...just maybe...showing people a reason to get the shot will get some of the morons to get vaccinated. Either way, put masks on your kids and take them to Chuck E. Cheese -- this is GOOD news.

Bull F'ing crap.  You didn't wait for crap.

You still have the death count being reported at 586,000 people.

 

CDC Logic

Unvaccinated:  Gets COVID, dies, must be COVID.

Vaccinated: Gets COVID, dies, must be underlying health condition.

 

Until they revise the numbers to reflect the PROPER and UPDATED method of approaching deaths, then this whole thing has been a sham. 

 

BTW, I am unvaccinated and have NEVER stepped foot into a store without a mask.  So this idea that unvaccinated people lack empathy or concern for others is BS. I just don't subscribe to the idea that *I* must inject drugs into my body to help *YOU* get over your fears!

10 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The chicken-little idiocy on the left to the new CDC guidance is truly insane, if not at all surprising. We now have evidence that vaccinated people who do get COVID don't get a high enough viral load to spread it to others. So there is no point at all in making vaccinated people where masks, other than theater. We waited for the science and data, and it came in positive. 

For those whining "but this means unvaccinated people will cheat and go maskless" -- well, yeah. They've already been doing that. Spoiler alert -- you can't fix stupid. But continuing to restrict those who have been responsible and gotten vaccinated because morons might be morons is well...moronic. For those who want to be vaccinated and haven't been (e.g., kids), keep wearing a mask to protect yourself. But the idea that responsible people need to continue to be inconvenienced because morons exist...morons will always exist. We aren't going to wear masks forever. 

Be happy. It's OK. This crap is finally ending. Morons will get sick, and I still support the idea that insurance companies should be allowed to deny care to those who choose not to get vaccinated and get sick (this will never happen, but it would work). But maybe...just maybe...showing people a reason to get the shot will get some of the morons to get vaccinated. Either way, put masks on your kids and take them to Chuck E. Cheese -- this is GOOD news.

Couldn't have said it better myself. It's time to take the masks off.

Just now, IFB DOG said:

Bull F'ing crap.  You didn't wait for crap.

You still have the death count being reported at 586,000 people.

 

CDC Logic

Unvaccinated:  Gets COVID, dies, must be COVID.

Vaccinated: Gets COVID, dies, must be underlying health condition.

 

Until they revise the numbers to reflect the PROPER and UPDATED method of approaching deaths, then this whole thing has been a sham. 

 

BTW, I am unvaccinated and have NEVER stepped foot into a store without a mask.  So this idea that unvaccinated people lack empathy or concern for others is BS. I just don't subscribe to the idea that *I* must inject drugs into my body to help *YOU* get over your fears!

The science being referred to was the fact that vaccinated people don't spread the disease. 

Seems your reading comprehension skills are as lacking as your portion control abilities.

6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The science being referred to was the fact that vaccinated people don't spread the disease. 

Seems your reading comprehension skills are as lacking as your portion control abilities.

You don't bother me with the fat jokes, buddy.  It just shows that you have to deflect from the reality of the situation.

 

Apparently vaccinated people don't die from COVID either. Just other things. Right?

 

Go back to India and save your people.  It's over here. Your fear mongering doesn't matter any longer. 

16 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

For those whining "but this means unvaccinated people will cheat and go maskless" -- well, yeah. They've already been doing that. Spoiler alert -- you can't fix stupid.

Why try.  Just leave it to natural selection.

5 minutes ago, IFB DOG said:

Bull F'ing crap.  You didn't wait for crap.

You still have the death count being reported at 586,000 people.

 

 

What is it?

1 minute ago, IFB DOG said:

You don't bother me with the fat jokes, buddy.  It just shows that you have to deflect from the reality of the situation.

 

Apparently vaccinated people don't die from COVID either. Just other things. Right?

 

Go back to India and save your people.  It's over here. Your fear mongering doesn't matter any longer. 

Dude....

Monday Beef !!

IFB Dog wants a piece of everybody

21 minutes ago, IFB DOG said:

The fact that this is now widely accepted and others in here are rushing off to vaccinate their kids F'ing BLOWS MY MIND.   

 

To others: Are you afraid for yourself, or your kids?  Is it because you're high risk that you're concerned for your kids getting sick?  Are you not going to let them go to school? They are literally more likely to die in the car on the way to school than they are to die from COVID. Guess you better start homeschooling, or you're a hypocrite. 

I guess simple math blows your mind then. The facts are that, while children are the least likely to become very sick and die, they are still many, many times more likely to do that than they are to have an adverse reaction to a vaccine. And, then again, some can't get vaccinated for medical reasons, so the kids (or any other healthy, unvaccinated person) are potential vectors to spread it to vulnerable people. Ultimately, take all of the personal feelings and risk assessments out of the equation. The reality is that, to truly tamp this down, we need to slow the spread of variants and the replication of them that leads to more mutations that create newer, more deadly strains. The vaccines we have work well against the variants currently in circulation. This does not discount the possibility that a variant could develop in the near future that can escape the vaccine. The most important point is the epidemiology: More hosts=more vectors=more mutations=newer variants=more virulent disease. This is why EVERYONE who is medically capable of handling a vaccine should get one, or we could be back to square one sooner rather than later.

5 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Dude....

Dude.... don't even start.   So some personal insults are okay, and then others are just totally off limits to the left? REALLY? 

14 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

For those who want to be vaccinated and haven't been (e.g., kids), keep wearing a mask to protect yourself.

unless you're wearing a n95, mask wearing provides very minimal protection for the wearer. the masks everyone has been wearing are intended to prevent the spread to others. 

you got it mask-backwards, brah!