July 18, 20214 yr What I don't get in the UK is... 85% of adults have had their first vaccine, 65% have had their second vaccine and yet hospitalisations and deaths are going back up. That to me suggests the vaccine doesn't work as well as they think. That's a concern.
July 18, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: What I don't get in the UK is... 85% of adults have had their first vaccine, 65% have had their second vaccine and yet hospitalisations and deaths are going back up. That to me suggests the vaccine doesn't work as well as they think. That's a concern. What are the numbers of hospitalizations in regards to vaccinated vs. unvaccinated? Are those statistics out there?
July 18, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, Paul852 said: What are the numbers of hospitalizations in regards to vaccinated vs. unvaccinated? Are those statistics out there? Quote An Associated Press analysis of available government data from May shows that "breakthrough” infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for fewer than 1,200 of more than 107,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations. That’s about 1.1%. And only about 150 of the more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May were in fully vaccinated people. That translates to about 0.8%, or five deaths per day on average. The AP analyzed figures provided by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The CDC itself has not estimated what percentage of hospitalizations and deaths are in fully vaccinated people, citing limitations in the data. Among them: Only about 45 states report breakthrough infections, and some are more aggressive than others in looking for such cases. So the data probably understates such infections, CDC officials said. Still, the overall trend that emerges from the data echoes what many health care authorities are seeing around the country and what top experts are saying. Earlier this month, Andy Slavitt, a former adviser to the Biden administration on COVID-19, suggested that 98% to 99% of the Americans dying of the coronavirus are unvaccinated. https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187
July 18, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, Toastrel said: https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187 I was curious about the UK. I knew the US numbers were pretty convincing.
July 18, 20214 yr That second dose is much more crucial with delta. Could partly explain the issues in the UK.
July 18, 20214 yr 14 hours ago, Eaglesfandan said: The minute health care companies say, "Fine if you don't want the vaccine then you are not covered as of January 1, 2022 for covid related expenses so do so at your own risk," we will see the same thing. aaaaaaaaand my stupid anti vax sister said this is the same thing as communism. 🤣
July 18, 20214 yr Let’s see what we can find with UK numbers. The ones I saw today showed high case rates but super low hospital and death numbers which would be consistent with a Delta wave of lots of mild cases. Maybe I wasn’t looking in the right spot. I just took the first google search hit that came up.
July 18, 20214 yr 9 hours ago, Paul852 said: What are the numbers of hospitalizations in regards to vaccinated vs. unvaccinated? Are those statistics out there? They occasionally put them out there but to be honest they don't put a lot of stats out there about who's being hospitalised. Some scientists think we could be looking at 1,000-2,000 admissions per day by mid August. That's in line with the high numbers in January yet we've had 66% of the population vaccinated. Doesn't add up. We are going to end up inanother lock down in the next 2-3 months I know it.
July 18, 20214 yr 15 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: They occasionally put them out there but to be honest they don't put a lot of stats out there about who's being hospitalised. Some scientists think we could be looking at 1,000-2,000 admissions per day by mid August. That's in line with the high numbers in January yet we've had 66% of the population vaccinated. Doesn't add up. We are going to end up inanother lock down in the next 2-3 months I know it. So that means some don't, some people think the earth is flat. Most hospitalized and dead are the unvaccinated and no reason to think it won't remain that way. 34% is alot of targets for the virus
July 18, 20214 yr 31 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: So that means some don't, some people think the earth is flat. Most hospitalized and dead are the unvaccinated and no reason to think it won't remain that way. 34% is alot of targets for the virus Well the guy who has forecast this also was behind the first lock down in the UK and was advising the government how bad things were going to be. So he does have some weight there.
July 18, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Well the guy who has forecast this also was behind the first lock down in the UK and was advising the government how bad things were going to be. So he does have some weight there. Big difference between then and now
July 18, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: They occasionally put them out there but to be honest they don't put a lot of stats out there about who's being hospitalised. Some scientists think we could be looking at 1,000-2,000 admissions per day by mid August. That's in line with the high numbers in January yet we've had 66% of the population vaccinated. Doesn't add up. We are going to end up inanother lock down in the next 2-3 months I know it. The numbers they are forecasting are just based on statistics. The wild card in this is always human behavior, but we all know how that’s worked out so far.
July 19, 20214 yr 7 hours ago, Dave Moss said: The numbers they are forecasting are just based on statistics. The wild card in this is always human behavior, but we all know how that’s worked out so far. And that's the worry. It's freedom day today in the UK. That means lots more mixing. And as of this weekend the night clubs etc reopen so lots of young people mixing and they are the ones who haven't yet been double vaccinated.
July 19, 20214 yr 10 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: They occasionally put them out there but to be honest they don't put a lot of stats out there about who's being hospitalised. Some scientists think we could be looking at 1,000-2,000 admissions per day by mid August. That's in line with the high numbers in January yet we've had 66% of the population vaccinated. Doesn't add up. We are going to end up inanother lock down in the next 2-3 months I know it. Look at the curves. Your cases are way high but your hospitalizations and deaths are way low. Same thing so far in Israel. The delta variant is very contagious and people get sick but only mildly so if they’ve been vaccinated. You’ll be fine. Enjoy opening up and not needed a mask.
July 19, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: And that's the worry. It's freedom day today in the UK. That means lots more mixing. And as of this weekend the night clubs etc reopen so lots of young people mixing and they are the ones who haven't yet been double vaccinated. Oh well, that is their problem, live your life and don't concern yourself with ignorant fools
July 19, 20214 yr Delta will likely force the hand of some Republican governors. They will have no choice if their hospitals are being overrun again. Naturally, the fox news loving idiots residing in those states will see it as another cuck capitulating to the dems.
July 19, 20214 yr 6 hours ago, DrPhilly said: Look at the curves. Your cases are way high but your hospitalizations and deaths are way low. Same thing so far in Israel. The delta variant is very contagious and people get sick but only mildly so if they’ve been vaccinated. You’ll be fine. Enjoy opening up and not needed a mask. Today we took the girls out to a soft play place and then for some lunch. It was so nice not having to wear a mask.
July 19, 20214 yr 44 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Delta will likely force the hand of some Republican governors. They will have no choice if their hospitals are being overrun again. Naturally, the fox news loving idiots residing in those states will see it as another cuck capitulating to the dems. I do not like that they're showing that on a log scale. It makes it seem very misleading, even though there is a legitimate underlying issue here. What does this look like in PA? One that seems to be holding up is that fatal cases of COVID are very rare among vaccinated even with the delta variant.
July 19, 20214 yr 6 hours ago, DrPhilly said: Look at the curves. Your cases are way high but your hospitalizations and deaths are way low. Same thing so far in Israel. The delta variant is very contagious and people get sick but only mildly so if they’ve been vaccinated. You’ll be fine. Enjoy opening up and not needed a mask. Ok, fine…
July 19, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I do not like that they're showing that on a log scale. It makes it seem very misleading, even though there is a legitimate underlying issue here. What does this look like in PA? One that seems to be holding up is that fatal cases of COVID are very rare among vaccinated even with the delta variant. PA is likely faring far better due to a much stronger vaccination rate. Even with delta, death is indeed extremely rare among the vaccinated, but that's not his point. The tweet is a reminder that regardless of whether you personally are vaccinated or not, the poor decisions of your neighbors (in states with lagging vax rates) are likely to affect you in one way or another due to delta's broader reach. If you burned your masks thinking you'd never need them again, you might be mistaken if you live in some of these places.
July 19, 20214 yr Went shopping at the Acme yesterday with the wife. Probably 1/4 of the people were wearing masks, like the wife and I. We are both vaccinated, but I don't trust people.
July 19, 20214 yr Someone shared this on a facebook group: https://virological.org/t/viral-infection-and-transmission-in-a-large-well-traced-outbreak-caused-by-the-delta-sars-cov-2-variant/724 the bottom line: The viral loads in the Delta infections were ~1000 times higher than those in the earlier 19A/19B strain infections on the day when viruses were firstly detected
July 19, 20214 yr Statistics show the stark risks of not getting vaccinated against COVID-19 COVID-19 has become a "pandemic of the unvaccinated." https://abcnews.go.com/Health/statistics-show-risks-vaccinated-covid-19/story?id=78845627 I do not understand these people. Then again, look above at what nimrod takes away from the article about Israel.
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