July 19, 20214 yr 15 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Went shopping at the Acme yesterday with the wife. Probably 1/4 of the people were wearing masks, like the wife and I. We are both vaccinated, but I don't trust people. the wife & i did the same at le target yesterday. both vaccinated but i'll take the tiny bit of protection a mask provides to the wearer. anti-vax idiots & covid denying trumpers cannot be trusted...because they're stupid.
July 19, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, Kz! said: Not many people think it be like that, but it do. 90% of adults in the UK are vaccinated. considering some have Astra-Zeneca, which seems to activate antibodies at a much lower rate than Pfizer for example, and that 47% still shows vaccines being effective (albeit less so than the original strain) .... vaccines are still working better than not by a very wide margin. and this doesn't get into death rates. 99% of deaths in the US are among the unvaccinated, despite other western nations passing us in vaccinations due to morons like yourself not getting the jab. so as always, you're still wrong either way. impressive.
July 19, 20214 yr Fun fact not mentioned in that UK article: Hanson concert goers make up the other 53% of covid cases.
July 19, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, downundermike said: I guess even the goat Tucker couldn't stop it. Ya hate to see it
July 19, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: Went shopping at the Acme yesterday with the wife. Probably 1/4 of the people were wearing masks, like the wife and I. We are both vaccinated, but I don't trust people. You are wearing the masks to help others, right? You aren’t worried about yourselves I would imagine.
July 19, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Someone shared this on a facebook group: https://virological.org/t/viral-infection-and-transmission-in-a-large-well-traced-outbreak-caused-by-the-delta-sars-cov-2-variant/724 the bottom line: The viral loads in the Delta infections were ~1000 times higher than those in the earlier 19A/19B strain infections on the day when viruses were firstly detected All evidence to date shows vaccinated people do indeed stand a real risk of getting mildly sick from the delta variant but near zero chance of anything serious. Lots to learn still...
July 19, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: All evidence to date shows vaccinated people do indeed stand a real risk of getting mildly sick from the delta variant but near zero chance of anything serious. Lots to learn still... Not really.
July 19, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: You are wearing the masks to help others, right? You aren’t worried about yourselves I would imagine. No, I'm wearing a mask to keep the mouth breathing, Delta variant infected, and others, from giving me a disease I do not want. Yes, risk is low, but I prefer NOT to get sick during a pandemic when I can easily avoid it.
July 19, 20214 yr AAP wants children back in school in-person, and they should all wear facemasks. There is no approved vaccine for kids under 12 yet... Most kids are not vaccinated. Quote In addition to vaccinations, the AAP recommends a layered approach to make school safe for all students, teachers and staff in the guidance here. That includes a recommendation that everyone older than age 2 wear masks, regardless of vaccination status.
July 19, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, toolg said: AAP wants children back in school in-person, and they should all wear facemasks. There is no approved vaccine for kids under 12 yet... Most kids are not vaccinated. Hopefully they advocate for a U12 vaccine EUA in the fall timeframe as well.
July 19, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Hopefully they advocate for a U12 vaccine EUA in the fall timeframe as well. I hope so too... I keep hearing it won't be out for kids until October or later.
July 19, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, toolg said: I hope so too... I keep hearing it won't be out for kids until October or later. BioNTech/Pfizer have said they expect to file an application somewhere around September, but how long the FDA would deliberate to approve an EUA is unclear. Maybe 3-4 weeks? If so, that tracks with an October or later timeframe.
July 19, 20214 yr 52 minutes ago, Toastrel said: No, I'm wearing a mask to keep the mouth breathing, Delta variant infected, and others, from giving me a disease I do not want. Yes, risk is low, but I prefer NOT to get sick during a pandemic when I can easily avoid it. If you are some sort of high risk case with an underlying condition then it makes sense. Trust the science mate.
July 19, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: If you are some sort of high risk case with an underlying condition then it makes sense. Trust the science mate. If you are a person who wants to avoid catching a virus, it makes sense.
July 19, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Not really what? You said there was a real risk that vaccinated people could get mildly sick from the Delta variant. And I said not really.
July 19, 20214 yr 13 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: If you are some sort of high risk case with an underlying condition then it makes sense. Trust the science mate. 8 minutes ago, Toastrel said: If you are a person who wants to avoid catching a virus, it makes sense. The science also shows that long-covid has developed in those with mild or asymptomatic disease. From Israel's study, breakthrough infections are correlated with older age groups and who were at least 4 months from being fully vaccinated. It's quite possible that delta has skewed the discussion on durability a bit. You're perfectly within the trust of science if you wear a mask indoors if you live in an area with lagging vax rates and increasing case numbers.
July 19, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, Toastrel said: If you are a person who wants to avoid catching a virus, it makes sense. If you are really serious you should just stay in a bubble. If you have an underlying condition that puts you at risk then it makes total sense of course to take great precaution.
July 19, 20214 yr 22 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: You said there was a real risk that vaccinated people could get mildly sick from the Delta variant. And I said not really. Ok, well all the evidence to date points to that being the case in people who have had their two jabs some months back but maybe the Moss science is best. Several countries have already approved a 3rd Pfizer vaccine jab to those people with an underlying condition that puts them in a high risk category and that is specifically due to the Delta variant situation (and other variants of course).
July 19, 20214 yr 21 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: If you are really serious you should just stay in a bubble. If you have an underlying condition that puts you at risk then it makes total sense of course to take great precaution. Am I really serious about not wanting a disease? Yes. I am not taking "great precaution" - is there something wrong with you?
July 19, 20214 yr Just now, Toastrel said: Am I really serious about not wanting a disease? Yes. I am not taking "great precaution" - is there something wrong with you? Ok, chill out dude. You can do whatever you like of course and I'm free to express my opinion on it. All good...
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