July 30, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, The_Omega said: No, I mean sick. Covid is here to stay. It’s now one of many. So is the much more genetically diverse flu and yet people still go decades between infections, with many under the age of 20 never having it once despite far less effective vaccines. Let's revisit the staying power discussion 6 months after a delta targeted booster is approved. I'm still very confident mRNA vaccines give us a massive advantage in the cat and mouse game that we've never had with the flu.
July 30, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said: I'm still very confident mRNA vaccines give us a massive advantage in the cat and mouse game that we've never had with the flu. Moderna has begun human trials for a potential new influenza vaccine. The new vaccine uses mRNA technology, the same technology used to create the Moderna and Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines. If successful, the vaccine could be more effective than the current flu shot. On July 7, 2021, Moderna announced that participants received vaccination doses in the Phase 1/2 study of mRNA-1010, the company’s seasonal influenza mRNA vaccine for healthy adults in the United States. This is Moderna’s first seasonal influenza vaccine candidate to enter the clinic and targets lineages recommended by the World Health Organization (WHO) for the prevention of influenza. The vaccination aims to fight against influenza A H1N1, H3N2, and influenza B Yamagata and Victoria. Moderna plans to enroll about 180 participants in the study.
July 30, 20214 yr 8 hours ago, Dave Moss said: If someone in my family has to go to the hospital for something other than Covid and it’s full of Covid patients then it impacts me. If there’s an outbreak at my kids school then it impacts me. Etc. Of course but that is going to be an issue until people vaccinate and as I've said about 5x already there are situations where a local official will need to do something temporarily to help keep the hospitals clean BUT that is both a local and temporary situation.
July 30, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said: "Counterintuitively, when a relaxation of non-pharmaceutical interventions happened at a time when most individuals of the population have already been vaccinated, the probability of emergence of a resistant strain was greatly increased," they added. "Our results suggest that policymakers and individuals should consider maintaining non-pharmaceutical interventions and transmission-reducing behaviors throughout the entire vaccination period." "When most people are vaccinated, the vaccine-resistant strain has an advantage over the original strain," Simon Rella of the Institute of Science and Technology Austria, who worked on the study, told reporters. "This means the vaccine resistant strain spreads through the population faster at a time when most people are vaccinat And this was the entire argument that Bret Weinstein was bringing forth over the last month as a cautionary aspect of vaccinating at a rate that wouldn't simply knock out the virus yet the likes of the poster you are addressing with this post have cast Bret as a complete moron. When we talk about science it requires a constant stream of skepticism free from political interruption. Bret doesn't get everything right and never claims to but he often raises a valid point of concern and then gets crucified for doing so. This COVID situation has never ever been simple at any point despite what some in here want one to believe. That is especially true in an over charged political environment that has taken a grip on the US over last several years.
July 31, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: It's still relative though. So long as vaccines reduce transmission rates, then they also reduce the chances for emergence of variants. The bigger reduction, the more suppression of emergence overall. It seems counter intuitive because while it's true that a vaccinated population can help to select for variants that are better at evading vaccine induced immunity, the net benefit when compared to variant emergence in unvaccinated populations, is still higher. As I said before, delta was gonna be delta regardless of a population's vax compliance. After all, it originated in a country with less than 5% with their first dose and is tearing through unvaccinated populations at a much faster rate than vaccinated ones Right, I agree with you that the vaccines are undoubtedly a net positive and that the unvaccinated folks are driving these mutations, but at the same time, it feels like we have the virus essentially "training" against vaccinated population while having the unvaccinated populations to serve as incubators. Bascially, you have the unvaccinated population serving as a catalyst for the more virulent variants that are selected against the vaccinated, if that makes sense. It's a compounding factor. Ultimatey, I think we agree, it just sucks that we have these unvaccinated a-holes giving this virus a "safe space" dig in and further mutate.
July 31, 20214 yr Numbers out of Minnesota regarding breakthrough cases looks very good (and also in line with J&J being around 2-3 higher infection rate) All a fraction of 1% "breakthrough" cases. Quote Of 1,626,557 Pfizer recipients in Minnesota, there have been 2,074 documented breakthroughs (0.13 percent of recipients) Of 1,125,919 Moderna recipients in Minnesota, there have been 976 documented breakthroughs (0.09 percent of recipients) Of 266,975 Johnson & Johnson recipients in Minnesota, there have been 813 breakthroughs (0.30 percent of recipients)
July 31, 20214 yr It’s definitely blowing up at my hospital. Just a month ago we had 3 cases total. Today, out of 70 ER beds, 30 were covid +. Also 10 in ICU, 41 pts admitted to beds. I don’t know the vax status of the pts currently but last week there was one in the hospital that was fully vaccinated out of close to 50. My county only has 48% fully vaccinated
July 31, 20214 yr I can't recall if Phil Valentine was brought up in here but he's the Conservative talk show host in Tennessee who pretty much mocked vaccines. He was put on a ventilator and it's not working for him. He needs an ECMO machine which has a survival rate of about 55%. Sad. Could have all been avoided. https://www.newschannel5.com/news/conservative-talk-radio-host-phil-valentine-still-hospitalized-amid-covid-battle
July 31, 20214 yr 37 minutes ago, Jsvand12 said: It’s definitely blowing up at my hospital. Just a month ago we had 3 cases total. Today, out of 70 ER beds, 30 were covid +. Also 10 in ICU, 41 pts admitted to beds. I don’t know the vax status of the pts currently but last week there was one in the hospital that was fully vaccinated out of close to 50. My county only has 48% fully vaccinated Thank you for all you do. That’s sad. I had to go to the Er earlier this month. Not COVID releated and I tested negative. They took wonderful care of me and now as I feel better I just keep thinking how can you do this job day in and day out? I’m getting old and I know I’m going to die. I just don’t know of what.
July 31, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, DiPros said: Thank you for all you do. That’s sad. I had to go to the Er earlier this month. Not COVID releated and I tested negative. They took wonderful care of me and now as I feel better I just keep thinking how can you do this job day in and day out? I’m getting old and I know I’m going to die. I just don’t know of what. I liked your comment before I read the last part, then I felt 😥. Hang in there, Di!
July 31, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: A+ tweet right there. And Im pretty Fing far from a Biden fan
July 31, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, DrPhilly said: And this was the entire argument that Bret Weinstein was bringing forth over the last month as a cautionary aspect of vaccinating at a rate that wouldn't simply knock out the virus yet the likes of the poster you are addressing with this post have cast Bret as a complete moron. When we talk about science it requires a constant stream of skepticism free from political interruption. Bret doesn't get everything right and never claims to but he often raises a valid point of concern and then gets crucified for doing so. This COVID situation has never ever been simple at any point despite what some in here want one to believe. That is especially true in an over charged political environment that has taken a grip on the US over last several years. Alright, if we're gonna have the Weinstein discussion, then let's have the Weinstein discussion. This is the guy you claimed defaulted to "take the vaccines" and yet here he's constantly talking up ivermectin and crapping on the vaccines. Sure seems like he's favoring one over the other if you ask me. Gee, I wonder why that is? Any theories Doc? You think there could be any possible political corruption in his agenda or is he truly more interested in the science when deciding if ivermectin is an effective treatment against covid?
July 31, 20214 yr Now let's talk about a couple of his podcast guests: On March 6, 2021, a Belgian veterinarian named Geert Vanden Bossche published an open letter "to all authorities, scientists and experts around the world” asserting that, in his expert analysis, the current global COVID-19 vaccination program will "wipe out large parts of our human population.” The way to avoid this purported calamity, Vanden Bossche asserts, is for scientists to pay more attention to his own invention — a "universal vaccine” that uses the body’s innate immune system to kill SARS-CoV-2. https://37b32f5a-6ed9-4d6d-b3e1-5ec648ad9ed9.filesusr.com/ugd/28d8fe_266039aeb27a4465988c37adec9cd1dc.pdf You might remember this Vanden Bosshe character as the clown who EagleVA kept citing as the source for all claims about cytotoxicity from the vaccines and the shedding hysteria. Then there's this gem, recently cited by Kz and touted as the "inventor of mRNA vaccines" Hmmm, so two of CVON's staunchest anti-vaxers have cited complete BS or misleading crap from these two idiots and they just happened to both be guests on Weinstein's podcast. Coincidence, right? Because a guy who goes on Tucker Carlson's show and readily admits he hasn't been vaccinated after becoming so worried about the dangers of vaccines couldn't possibly be anti-vax according to Dr Philly. Nah, must be some nuance I'm missing buried in all the seemingly anti-vax horseshit layered in everything the guy says anytime he opens his mouth.
July 31, 20214 yr Baton Rouge children's hospital nears capacity, braces for surge in Covid cases ahead of the school year A children's hospital in Louisiana is experiencing a wave of Covid-19 hospitalizations as the Delta variant pervades the region. Dr. Trey Dunbar, president of Our Lady of the Lake Children's Hospital, said the spike in Covid-19 cases right now is twice what they saw in the pandemic's initial surge last year. "We've seen over the past couple of weeks a pretty dramatic increase," Dunbar told CNN by phone Friday. "A good number more of children are requiring hospitalization." Dunbar said they are seeing more children sick from a respiratory standpoint and an increase in those who are acutely ill from Covid-19. Many children require breathing support of some kind, whether it be extra oxygen or breathing tubes, he added. In July alone, 62 children came into the emergency room and tested positive with Covid-19, with 58 of them coming to the hospital in the past two weeks, Nicole Terry, the communications manager for Franciscan Missionaries of Our Lady Health System, said Friday. In comparison, only 18 children came to the emergency room with Covid-19 in all of June, Terry said. The cases in July make up nearly half of all of the positive cases the hospital has seen this year, as well as nearly half of all of the positive cases from the first wave of the pandemic from March-August 2020, Terry said. The children's hospital treats children as young as 4 weeks up to 17 years, she said. The hospital is currently treating seven Covid-19 patients, but Dunbar said they've had anywhere from eight to 12 patients per day. The hospital is up to about six admissions per day with about 50% of those patients going to the ICU, Dunbar said. "Any time a child is sick, it's hard. You place it in the context of Covid, it's hard. Restricted visitation its hard, certainly for younger children. Teenagers can understand what's going on, younger children might not understand," Dunbar said. "There's still unknown and fear in Covid, in particular what that might mean for a child in the short and long term." Dunbar attributes the spike in cases to the Delta variant, which he said is prevalent in the Baton Rouge community, as well as low vaccination numbers statewide. According to Louisiana's health department, 90% of the more than 5,000 Covid cases from July 15-21 were people who were not fully vaccinated. Dunbar said he anticipates an increase in cases when the school year begins in just a few weeks. Though the state's health department recommends masking in schools, Dunbar said each local district has control. At West Baton Rouge Schools, masks are recommended but not required for students when they return to classrooms Aug. 9, according to the district's website. The East Baton Rough Parish School System said on its website that guidance will be released Aug. 3, just a week before students are scheduled to start school on Aug. 11. For keeping kids safe at school, Dunbar said students 12-years-old and older should get vaccinated. For students who are ineligible for the vaccine, Dunbar said the answer is masking and social distancing. In preparing for the anticipated surge, Dunbar said the hospital is actually lucky because many southern hospitals are experiencing staffing shortages. Our Lady of the Lake will be increasing staff and opening new hospital beds. Dunbar said most children's hospitals this summer, especially in the south, have also been very busy with RSV, or Respiratory Syncytial Virus. "You start with the pandemic for the last 18 months, and then RSV for the last couple of months, it just seems to be one thing after another that's keeping our teams very busy," Dunbar said.
July 31, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, Paul852 said: I can't recall if Phil Valentine was brought up in here but he's the Conservative talk show host in Tennessee who pretty much mocked vaccines. He was put on a ventilator and it's not working for him. He needs an ECMO machine which has a survival rate of about 55%. Sad. Could have all been avoided. https://www.newschannel5.com/news/conservative-talk-radio-host-phil-valentine-still-hospitalized-amid-covid-battle Once on a ventilator for the most part they don’t come of. Since the virus started we have had one person come of. That person died in rehab a week later. I do have a friend whose boss made it off a ventilator. He’s still pretty screwed up but alive.
July 31, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, DiPros said: Thank you for all you do. That’s sad. I had to go to the Er earlier this month. Not COVID releated and I tested negative. They took wonderful care of me and now as I feel better I just keep thinking how can you do this job day in and day out? I’m getting old and I know I’m going to die. I just don’t know of what. It’s not too bad for me honestly. I work in nuclear medicine so I don’t deal with known covid patients too often. Maybe a couple times a week. We have had pts test positive a lot after we have already done tests on them though. I’m vaccinated of course. So far it’s working for me. I donate blood often. They test for antibodies and it shows I have a good level so I don’t worry about it much. We have to where masks and face shields when dealing with every pt now which definitely is a pain in the ass for 8 hrs.
July 31, 20214 yr https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/covid-vaccine-booster-shots-delta-variant-are-being-over-hyped-ncna1275507 Nbc News website opinion piece. Pretty good summary of where we are right now with regard to Delta and then how that relates to the potential need for booster shots.
July 31, 20214 yr 11 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Right, I agree with you that the vaccines are undoubtedly a net positive and that the unvaccinated folks are driving these mutations, but at the same time, it feels like we have the virus essentially "training" against vaccinated population while having the unvaccinated populations to serve as incubators. Bascially, you have the unvaccinated population serving as a catalyst for the more virulent variants that are selected against the vaccinated, if that makes sense. It's a compounding factor. Ultimatey, I think we agree, it just sucks that we have these unvaccinated a-holes giving this virus a "safe space" dig in and further mutate. The important point here is to embrace science which includes review, review, and more review and a continual drive to understand and improve. There isn't really anything definitive on this subject that I've been able to find but what seems likely to me is that at some point in the curve you get a situation where vaccinated people start to enable variants due to the entire training and viral competition aspect BUT then if the vaccinated numbers get high enough it goes the other way. In the end the best solution is a quick knockout thru the vaccine if we can get there quick enough to squash the variants. In any case, it is imperative that science continues to look into improvements and other solutions. Shutting that thought process down by calling people quacks, etc. isn't a positive or productive measure. Weinstein's problem was his quick and aggressive pro ivermectin stance rather then proceed with caution. His assertion that ivermectin needed to be seriously considered was sound though and he should have left it at that. I'm going to go and see if I can track down exactly what he said and when.
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