October 6, 20215 yr 11 minutes ago, Toastrel said: For the record, I am not cheering for anyone's death from COVID. I save that for child molesters and terrorists. I am a HUGE fan of consequences. Let's unpack this real quick. Toaster isn't cheering for anyone's death. He's a huge fan of consequences. A consequence of not getting the vaccine is death. He's a huge fan of death among the unvaccinated. Wow! Another edgy ishlib post! Neato!
October 6, 20215 yr 8 minutes ago, Kz! said: Let's unpack this real quick. Toaster isn't cheering for anyone's death. He's a huge fan of consequences. A consequence of not getting the vaccine is death. He's a huge fan of death among the unvaccinated. Wow! Another edgy ishlib post! Neato! Not that I want anyone to die, but if the unvaccinated are dying, that reduces the amount of unvaccinated people spreading the virus. I wish they would get vaccinated, but, there is more than one way to skin a cat.
October 6, 20215 yr Consequences are part of accepting personal responsibility of your decisions. You can also be sad/disappointed that those consequences lead to death. I would've thought that distinction of personal accountability would be something that a self proclaimed conservative would understand.
October 6, 20215 yr here's how vaccination matters you nitwits. below is a case rate - cases per million - contrasting the US and Israel: The 2nd wave there - Delta - in Israel absolutely CRUSHED them from a case rate standpoint. The US delta wave by comparison, nationally (looks very different state by state), was milder than the big wave end of 2020 into January 2021. But deaths? Different story: Despite Israel's "humongous big" case rate from the Delta wave, its death rate was HALF its earlier peak, while the US didn't see the same improvement. So what's the difference? Is Israel pumping people with Ivermectin and HCQ? Or is it because Israel had one of the highest vaccination rates in the world as was early on booster shots for high risk individuals vaccinated 8+ mos ago when the vaccines were first available??!?!? I'm sure it's the Ivermectin.
October 6, 20215 yr 4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: here's how vaccination matters you nitwits. below is a case rate - cases per million - contrasting the US and Israel: The 2nd wave there - Delta - in Israel absolutely CRUSHED them from a case rate standpoint. The US delta wave by comparison, nationally (looks very different state by state), was milder than the big wave end of 2020 into January 2021. But deaths? Different story: Despite Israel's "humongous big" case rate from the Delta wave, its death rate was HALF its earlier peak, while the US didn't see the same improvement. So what's the difference? Is Israel pumping people with Ivermectin and HCQ? Or is it because Israel had one of the highest vaccination rates in the world as was early on booster shots for high risk individuals vaccinated 8+ mos ago when the vaccines were first available??!?!? I'm sure it's the Ivermectin. You hear any stories of worm issues in Israel? No.
October 6, 20215 yr 10 minutes ago, downundermike said: Not that I want anyone to die, but if the unvaccinated are dying, that reduces the amount of unvaccinated people spreading the virus. I wish they would get vaccinated, but, there is more than one way to skin a cat. 9 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: Consequences are part of accepting personal responsibility of your decisions. You can also be sad/disappointed that those consequences lead to death. I would've thought that distinction of personal accountability would be something that a self proclaimed conservative would understand. Yeah, I think everyone here knows where most ishlibs stand on the subject. Not exactly a well-kept secret. Hell, I've had a dude on here wish death on me. At least three others were nice enough to be less specific, and simply wished death on all the unvaccinated. You guys have the softer position of not directly wishing death, but celebrating when the unvaccinated face the "consequences" of their decision.
October 6, 20215 yr 27 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: here's how vaccination matters you nitwits. below is a case rate - cases per million - contrasting the US and Israel: The 2nd wave there - Delta - in Israel absolutely CRUSHED them from a case rate standpoint. The US delta wave by comparison, nationally (looks very different state by state), was milder than the big wave end of 2020 into January 2021. But deaths? Different story: Despite Israel's "humongous big" case rate from the Delta wave, its death rate was HALF its earlier peak, while the US didn't see the same improvement. So what's the difference? Is Israel pumping people with Ivermectin and HCQ? Or is it because Israel had one of the highest vaccination rates in the world as was early on booster shots for high risk individuals vaccinated 8+ mos ago when the vaccines were first available??!?!? I'm sure it's the Ivermectin. Brad Pitt went to Israel in WWZ. As Israel quarantines tens of thousands and, at press time, contemplates isolating all citizens returning to the country, regardless of where they have traveled, film buffs are pointing to similarities between the Israeli response to the novel coronavirus in real life and what Israel does to contain the zombie outbreak in the movie, World War Z.
October 6, 20215 yr 9 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: I think the word you're looking for is "indifference". Do I want people to die? No. Do I take joy in anyone dying, whether unvaccinated from COVID or anything else? Of course not. Do I care if someone who I don't know, isn't my friend or family, dies? No. Pretty simple.
October 6, 20215 yr 31 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Do I want people to die? No. Do I take joy in anyone dying, whether unvaccinated from COVID or anything else? Of course not. Do I care if someone who I don't know, isn't my friend or family, dies? No. Pretty simple.
October 6, 20215 yr 32 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Do I want people to die? No. Do I take joy in anyone dying, whether unvaccinated from COVID or anything else? Of course not. Do I care if someone who I don't know, isn't my friend or family, dies? No. Pretty simple. Yeah, but to be fair, you've only been an ishlib since 2016. Give it another few years and you'll be celebrating with the rest of these scumbags.
October 6, 20215 yr Historic go-ahead for malaria vaccine to protect African children https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58810551 A little good news, if you go for that sort of thing.
October 6, 20215 yr 10 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Historic go-ahead for malaria vaccine to protect African children https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58810551 A little good news, if you go for that sort of thing. But have you gotten the anti-vax crowd's opinion on this? "You can still get Malaria even if you're vaccinated!" "Bill Gates funded this!" "This is just a scam to line the pockets of Big Pharma!" "Wow wow wow wow"
October 6, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: Historic go-ahead for malaria vaccine to protect African children https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58810551 A little good news, if you go for that sort of thing. They should just take hydroxychloroquine instead! Wait...
October 7, 20215 yr Saw a 2019 cspan2 video of Fauci and "health experts" discussing a "theoretical" novel outbreak from China. It was linked to an infowars broadcast of all places but now I'm looking for cspan's broadcast because its really coincidental and damning. Michael Specter: Why don’t we blow the system up? I mean obviously, we can’t just turn off the spigot on the system. We have and then say, hey everyone in the world should get this new vaccine that we haven’t given to anyone yet. But there must be some way that we grow vaccines mostly in eggs the way we did in 1947. Fauci: In order to make the transition from getting out of the tried-and-true egg growing which we know gives us results that can be beneficial, I mean we’ve done well with that. There must be something that has to be much better. You have to prove that this works and then you’ve got to go through all of the clinical trials: phase 1, phase 2, phase 3, and then show that this particular product is going to be good over a period of years. That alone, if it works perfectly, it’s going to take a decade. Bright: There might be a need or even an urgent call for an entity of excitement out there that’s completely disruptive, that’s not beholden to bureaucratic strings and processes. Fauci: So we really do have a problem of how the world perceives influenza and it’s going to be very difficult to change that unless you do it from within and say, I don’t care what your perception is, we’re going to address the problem in a disruptive and in an iterative way because she does need both. Bright: But it is not too crazy to think that an outbreak of novel avian virus could occur in China somewhere. We could get the RNA sequence from that.. to a number of regional centers if not local, if not even in your home at some point, and print those vaccines on a patch of self-administer.
October 7, 20215 yr On other news..... Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich., was caught on camera saying she was only wearing a mask because she was being tailed by a "Republican tracker." 😒
October 7, 20215 yr 7 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: because 65k people died between Dec 31 and Jan 20. not that it should matter, but the death rate peaked in that timeframe. the vast majority of the deaths in that second wave there are among unvaccinated in the most unvaccinated regions of our nation. The worrying part of that graph is that we haven't yet hit the winter. If you are comparing it on a seasonal basis, we are much higher than we were in 2020. We hit a local high in the spring of 2020 which dissipated as the lockdowns took effect. Spiked a bit in the summer as people ventured outside, then exploded during the winter. Well, we have the Delta variant and death rate in September and early October is comparable with November of last year. It hasn't even gotten cold yet in the NE and Mid Atlantic where we have the greatest population density.
October 7, 20215 yr We'll probably have a late winter / early spring surge. Delta spreads fast enough to burn itself out quicker leaving fewer pockets than alpha or classic did that are still vulnerable. Then it takes a bit of sprouting before it finds new pockets after a few months. Boosters should help to act as a backstop in the more at risk populations in the meantime. Hopefully by end of October, we're getting shots in kids arms, then by end of November, the FDA approves boosters broadly for anyone over 18. Any missteps along the way could prove costly though.
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