Hes pretty washed, but something like Shake for Kemba?

The New York Knicks have dropped Kemba Walker from the starting lineup and the rotation altogether.

Alec Burks will start at point guard for the Knicks.

Walker has averaged 11.7 points, 2.6 rebounds and 3.1 assists in 24.5 minutes per game this season for the Knicks.

Pretty sure Kemba’s contract is bigger than Simmons’. If the Knicks buy him out, they should definitely try to bring him in.

6 minutes ago, Shepard Wong said:

Pretty sure Kemba’s contract is bigger than Simmons’. If the Knicks buy him out, they should definitely try to bring him in.

I had a non-thinking moment and didnt even think about contracts. Shake for Kemba 

Sixers should be happy Cole Anthony was out the way they played. 

5 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

If the goal was to get $.50 for a dollar then yes, he’s doing it wrong

Ah, I see. So we will never agree, because we have a fundamental difference in our valuation of Simmons. To me, the moment last year’s playoffs ended the best return you could get for him was maybe a borderline all star. Certainly nowhere near a superstar level talent was ever going to be given for Simmons. 

11 minutes ago, nipples said:

Ah, I see. So we will never agree, because we have a fundamental difference in our valuation of Simmons. To me, the moment last year’s playoffs ended the best return you could get for him was maybe a borderline all star. Certainly nowhere near a superstar level talent was ever going to be given for Simmons. 

He’s extremely flawed.  He’s also 25 and a 3-time All Star.  And I’ve already been sold fools gold on trades multiple times with this franchise.

11 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

If the goal was to get $.50 for a dollar then yes, he’s doing it wrong

Yes, he's doing it wrong.  Odds are that Embiid has a couple of years of window left before his body just can't take it anymore.  Giving up this year and watching Simmons price tag drop in the meantime isn't the answer.

2 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Yes, he's doing it wrong.  Odds are that Embiid has a couple of years of window left before his body just can't take it anymore.  Giving up this year and watching Simmons price tag drop in the meantime isn't the answer.

Embiid is 27.  While it’s possible his body breaks down that soon, I could see him playing another 5 years.

11 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

He almost died you insensitive bastid! Lol

well, his post up game has definitely died. 

i thought simmons was the excuse for using jojo at the top of the key all the time...guess not. 

You could tell from the start of the game, Joel was looking to conserve his energy all game.  He just played 46 minutes in double OT two days before after being off for 3 weeks.  He knew the Magic were terrible and he only needed to give minimum effort.  The coaches need to get into Maxey's ear and tell him not to defer and to be just as assertive when Joel is playing.  You can tell he is looking to get it to Embiid most sets rather than looking to score himself.

29 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

well, his post up game has definitely died. 

i thought simmons was the excuse for using jojo at the top of the key all the time...guess not. 

That was BS excuse, I never believed that for a minute. 

1 hour ago, Khani1 said:

You could tell from the start of the game, Joel was looking to conserve his energy all game.  He just played 46 minutes in double OT two days before after being off for 3 weeks.  He knew the Magic were terrible and he only needed to give minimum effort.  The coaches need to get into Maxey's ear and tell him not to defer and to be just as assertive when Joel is playing.  You can tell he is looking to get it to Embiid most sets rather than looking to score himself.

This is my biggest take away from the last couple games.  Maxey has has to figure out how to be the Maxey we saw without Embiid.  He's such a good student of the game that I'm sure he'll figure it out.  This is where his close relationship with Sam Cassell will be so valuable because Maxey will actually listen; he's coachable.  Young Cassell had to figure out how to play with a veteran superstar center in Olajuwon.

 

 

23 minutes ago, therealdawk said:

This is my biggest take away from the last couple games.  Maxey has has to figure out how to be the Maxey we saw without Embiid.  He's such a good student of the game that I'm sure he'll figure it out.  This is where his close relationship with Sam Cassell will be so valuable because Maxey will actually listen; he's coachable.  Young Cassell had to figure out how to play with a veteran superstar center in Olajuwon.

 

 

This has been a concern of mine for Maxey since the season started and was the primary reason I wanted to have him playing off the bench when the season started.  He played so well with Embiid out, I doubt that happens now but this is a hurdle he would have needed to clear eventually either way. 

I know Danny Green was quoted a few weeks back as saying he has been encouraging Maxey to not defer to the vets all the time and stay aggressive.  Hopefully, if he sees it then the coaches see it and everyone is encouraging him in that direction.

Maxey will be fine. The more he plays with Embiid, the more comfortable he’ll get with being aggressive when he’s on the floor.  The kid seems to have a good head on his shoulders and has the basketball IQ you’re looking for.  He’ll figure out when to defer and when to get his. 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2950801-10-likeliest-players-sixers-are-eyeing-until-ben-simmons-saga-ends

 

 

4 hours ago, mr_hunt said:

well, his post up game has definitely died. 

i thought simmons was the excuse for using jojo at the top of the key all the time...guess not. 

this has annoyed the hell out of me all season long.

 

2 hours ago, Shepard Wong said:

This has been a concern of mine for Maxey since the season started and was the primary reason I wanted to have him playing off the bench when the season started.  He played so well with Embiid out, I doubt that happens now but this is a hurdle he would have needed to clear eventually either way. 

I know Danny Green was quoted a few weeks back as saying he has been encouraging Maxey to not defer to the vets all the time and stay aggressive.  Hopefully, if he sees it then the coaches see it and everyone is encouraging him in that direction.

But even Jimmy Butler deferred to Embiid for every entire game, unless/until they decided Butler would be the closer on that given night. 

How do you get a 2nd year guy like Maxey to be more assertive than an established star in the league who is very assertive himself?

Why couldnt Simmons and Embiid get along? Simmons is mainly the reason. But how much of this could be Embiid demanding to be the guy?

Embiid now on his 2nd head coach still wont play in the post. Simmons deferred. Butler deferred. Harris defers. All the big name guys we have ever had in here with him are just ok with giving him the ball and watching him turn it over at the end of games. And no coach, or no player wants to change that?

Seth Curry was frustrated the other night when Embiid didnt pass him the ball for a wide open 3 at the end of the game. 

44 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

But even Jimmy Butler deferred to Embiid for every entire game, unless/until they decided Butler would be the closer on that given night. 

How do you get a 2nd year guy like Maxey to be more assertive than an established star in the league who is very assertive himself?

Why couldnt Simmons and Embiid get along? Simmons is mainly the reason. But how much of this could be Embiid demanding to be the guy?

Embiid now on his 2nd head coach still wont play in the post. Simmons deferred. Butler deferred. Harris defers. All the big name guys we have ever had in here with him are just ok with giving him the ball and watching him turn it over at the end of games. And no coach, or no player wants to change that?

Seth Curry was frustrated the other night when Embiid didnt pass him the ball for a wide open 3 at the end of the game. 

He should be frustrated.  I think I mentioned this in the thread after I went to the Bulls game but from the arena I could see several instances where Joe was being doubled off of Curry and not giving the ball up to Curry for a wide open three.  I assume it was happening before then it's just less noticeable on TV.  It should be automatic for him to make that pass and punish the defense.  He has to make it to allow him self to play against fewer double teams.

As far as Maxey, it's tough to do, especially for a young guard whose game isn't fully developed yet.  That's why I preferred he develop his game on the bench where he is the clear primary option before moving into the starting line up and having to try to develop his game while balancing that with integrating himself with the other more veteran starters.

It's ultimately a coaching issue but is Doc the kind of coach to tell Embiid he needs to have possessions where he lets the kid take the lead?   The team and Embiid both need this.  Part of his conditioning problems is that he had been the primary and sometimes only offensive option for this team for so long and it's too much to ask of any big like him.

The other side of that is that his conditioning, or lack of, makes it more difficult for Maxey.  Late in the double overtime game, they ran high pick and roll and Jo is popping out for a 3 instead of going to the hoop when it's open, probably because he was tired.  Now it was his first game back after COVID and a double OT game but still, Jo isn't exactly a rim runner at the 5.

my guess as to why embiid doesn't play more in the post is because he sucks against double teams. hell, he somehow winds up on the floor half the time when he's doubled. there was one in last night's game where he wound up shuffling the ball out top while on his damn knees. 

 he's a turnover machine against the double team & even when he does kick the ball out, it's rarely a crisp pass. 

4 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

my guess as to why embiid doesn't play more in the post is because he sucks against double teams. hell, he somehow winds up on the floor half the time when he's doubled. he's a turnover machine against the double team & even when he does kick the ball out, it's rarely a crisp pass. 

Part of that is he waits to long to kick it out.  The pass should be made as the double is coming.  He often likes to test himself against the double before forcing the pass if the double holds up.  By then, the defense has adjusted.  He has to kick that ball out as soon as the defender comes off the perimeter player and commits to the double, especially with Curry since he is actually a great shooter, a rare exception in Sixers history.

1 hour ago, mr_hunt said:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2950801-10-likeliest-players-sixers-are-eyeing-until-ben-simmons-saga-ends

 

 

Meanwhile,..... 

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[Eskin] The Ben Simmons fiasco continues. He has found another facility to workout and it’s not at #Sixers facility. I have confirmed the sighting of Simmons at the Fitler Club court at 2400 Market St,Philadelphia. I’m assuming he found working out with St Joe’s was a problem. #Pathetic

After a four-month investigation, the NBA has punished the Chicago Bulls and Miami Heat with the loss of second-round draft picks because of premature discussions into the free agency of guards Lonzo Ball and Kyle Lowry, the league announced Wednesday.

"Both teams fully cooperated with the investigations," which was a factor in the penalties.

As long as the Heat make the playoffs this season, they will lose the lesser of a 2022 Philadelphia or Denver second-round pick.