i can't speak for fans who only look at ppg....but i gave iverson a lot of sheet & pushed for him to be traded for years before it finally happened.   

trade the a1ds!!! 

2 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

Well, Iverson should get more critism than McNabb if he had more talent and his teams accomplished so much less.

He bought into team play 1 time and it took him to the finals. Then turned back into not giving a sheet and doing what he wanted. He gave everyone a taste of what he could be if he bought into browns system and then immediately pissed it away. I actually don't understand why Iverson gets all the love. 

Mike Scott is available 

Would it be wrong to keep him as a third option?  He's getting back to his efficient self.  Keep in mind before COVID hit him he was playing good and last year he was a few made FTs away from an 50/40/90 year.   I go back and forth.  He's overpaid for sure but again, as a 3rd option it's not an awful one.

Just now, Bwestbrook36 said:

He bought into team play 1 time and it took him to the finals. Then turned back into not giving a sheet and doing what he wanted. He gave everyone a taste of what he could be if he bought into browns system and then immediately pissed it away. I actually don't understand why Iverson gets all the love. 

even in that season...they surrounded him with defensive guys like snow, mutumbo, tyrone, hill, & lynch who weren't interested in scoring...so iverson could chuck up as many shots as he liked. iverson took over 25 shots per game & the next highest guy was mckie at around 9.   

 

Just now, rambo said:

Would it be wrong to keep him as a third option?  He's getting back to his efficient self.  Keep in mind before COVID hit him he was playing good and last year he was a few made FTs away from an 50/40/90 year.   I go back and forth.  He's overpaid for sure but again, as a 3rd option it's not an awful one.

Does the money work if we acquire and extend Harden?

1 minute ago, rambo said:

Would it be wrong to keep him as a third option?  He's getting back to his efficient self.  Keep in mind before COVID hit him he was playing good and last year he was a few made FTs away from an 50/40/90 year.   I go back and forth.  He's overpaid for sure but again, as a 3rd option it's not an awful one.

yes. 

he's f'n tobi...he stinks. 

2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

yes. 

he's f'n tobi...he stinks. 

"He's an f'n all-star"

tobi will be back to dribbling out of open 3's and into contested, fadeaway 2's in no time. it's what he is. 

I like Tobi but without Simmons, they need more defense and rebounding  from the 4.  Simmons contributing them at unusually high levels at the 1 compensated for Tobi’s weaknesses in those areas. 

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

tobi will be back to dribbling out of open 3's and into contested, fadeaway 2's in no time. it's what he is. 

He actually has the skills to be a competent #3 option on a contending team but he is too soft which interferes with his game.  He has to be playing well to have confidence.  However, the second there is turmoil or adversity, he shrivels.  You see him complaining to the ref about a missed foul call 5-6 times a game and some of the times, he is doing that during play instead of hustling back on defense.  You will see him trot back on defense a lot after he turns it over or gets blocked/stolen from.  You only see him show emotion when things are rolling.  When things are not, his body language looks like a kid who had his lunch money stolen from him.  He did it last playoff series and was shaken for a couple games in a row.

If we end up with Harden, Hield and Thad Young after tomorrow...wow

EDIT: Maybe the Nets throw in Millsap? He wants out of there

The McNabb puke joke is valid. He went out drinking all night before the super bowl and played hung over. Brady conversely was focused on the game. It was a business trip. All of the Iverson criticism you guys bring up is likewise valid, but he at least showed up for games. 

1 minute ago, Gannan said:

The McNabb puke joke is valid. He went out drinking all night before the super bowl and played hung over. Brady conversely was focused on the game. It was a business trip. All of the Iverson criticism you guys bring up is likewise valid, but he at least showed up for games. 

Yeah. Totally valid. Completely believable that the at the most intensely covered sporting event of the year, with dozens of cameras, not a single one picked up any evidence but it definitely happened because Freddie Mitchell said so. Oh, and TO. If you can't trust TO and FredEx, who can you trust in this crazy world. 

McNabb had a bad game. The idea he was vomiting on the field and no camera caught any evidence is laughable.

The reason McNabb is hated is similar to why a guy like Schmidt was never embraced (obviously, Schmidt was a much better player in his sport). McNabb wasn't gritty/emotional/fiery enough for this fanbase (see Garcia, Jeff), just like people complained Schmidt didn't seem like he cared. They saw Iverson get slammed around, get up and do the Hulk Hogan ear thing to the crowd. So they overlooked all his faults (didn't play the team game, didn't practice or improve, etc.). It's the same reason a guys like Kruk and Dykstra (before he went insane) were so loved -- because Philly likes guys who give the appearance of effort. 

The other reason McNabb wasn't embraced? Well...this is touchy but...he was too black for white fans and not black enough for black fans. The guy took crap from Rush Limbaugh and the head of the Philly NAACP. That's got to be a first.

8 minutes ago, Gannan said:

The McNabb puke joke is valid. He went out drinking all night before the super bowl and played hung over. Brady conversely was focused on the game. It was a business trip. All of the Iverson criticism you guys bring up is likewise valid, but he at least showed up for games. 

Has anyone other than TO said this or has it been proven?

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Yeah. Totally valid. Completely believable that the at the most intensely covered sporting event of the year, with dozens of cameras, not a single one picked up any evidence but it definitely happened because Freddie Mitchell said so. Oh, and TO. If you can't trust TO and FredEx, who can you trust in this crazy world. 

McNabb had a bad game. The idea he was vomiting on the field and no camera caught any evidence is laughable.

The reason McNabb is hated is similar to why a guy like Schmidt was never embraced (obviously, Schmidt was a much better player in his sport). McNabb wasn't gritty/emotional/fiery enough for this fanbase (see Garcia, Jeff), just like people complained Schmidt didn't seem like he cared. They saw Iverson get slammed around, get up and do the Hulk Hogan ear thing to the crowd. So they overlooked all his faults (didn't play the team game, didn't practice or improve, etc.). It's the same reason a guys like Kruk and Dykstra (before he went insane) were so loved -- because Philly likes guys who give the appearance of effort. 

The other reason McNabb wasn't embraced? Well...this is touchy but...he was too black for white fans and not black enough for black fans. The guy took crap from Rush Limbaugh and the head of the Philly NAACP. That's got to be a first.

He puked in a regular season game against Tampa too. That I had on DVR. We rewound it and watched him puke in slow motion.  So I believe my own eyes. It's not about believing Freddy and TO. It's about the undisputed fact that the guy is an alcoholic. 

 

Just now, Gannan said:

He puked in a regular season game against Tampa too. That I had on DVR. We rewound it and watched him puke in slow motion.  So I believe my own eyes. It's not about believing Freddy and TO. It's about the undisputed fact that the guy is an alcoholic. 

Right, so if the cameras caught it happen in a random regular season game then it most certainly 100% didn't happen in the SB.

1 minute ago, Paul852 said:

Right, so if the cameras caught it happen in a random regular season game then it most certainly 100% didn't happen in the SB.

Ok, so am I allowed to dislike him for being a fat out of shape alcoholic who underachieved throughout his career and puked against Tampa even if he was on his best behavior in Jacksonville? I think so. 

Just now, Gannan said:

Ok, so am I allowed to dislike him for being a fat out of shape alcoholic who underachieved throughout his career and puked against Tampa even if he was on his best behavior in Jacksonville? I think so. 

Sure. Do you also dislike Iverson for underachieving throughout his entire career as well? Especially considering he's considered one of the best to ever play in the NBA.

I think Dick Vermeil and Vince Papale were alcoholics too.  They puked.  Together.  

Not good news for you Harden fans.  
 

 

LOL

 

 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I think Dick Vermeil and Vince Papale were alcoholics too.  They puked.  Together.  

Before my time. I'm not that old. 

3 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Sure. Do you also dislike Iverson for underachieving throughout his entire career as well? Especially considering he's considered one of the best to ever play in the NBA.

Yes. I particularly dislike what he did for his final act here. He lied about his daughter being sick so he could quit on the team. It was disgraceful. 

1 minute ago, Gannan said:

Yes. I particularly dislike what he did for his final act here. He lied about his daughter being sick so he could quit on the team. It was disgraceful. 

Fair is fair.