1 minute ago, D-Shiznit said:

Dak has no reason to sign a long term contract, if he plays on the tag for the next two years, he will be the highest paid player in the NFL over that period. And after that, he gets to be a free agent and can write his own ticket.

 

Jerry F'ed up, should have signed him a year ago.

This should be the prevailing thought. I know Banner sees it that way. He knows more about this stuff than anyone we have access to. 

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

You’re crazy. Of course NFL teams would. Bridgewater got $21M per and he’s a bad starting QB. 

I’m not saying he wouldn’t get offers.  I just disagree with you that teams would ‘line up’ for their chance at Dak.  He’s an over-achiever, but he is not special.  Teams will line up for special....or they would rather look to the draft if it’s not there.  Smart teams anyway.  

Question is whether Prescott will age well, McNabb certainly didn't.

1 hour ago, McMVP said:

I’m not saying he wouldn’t get offers.  I just disagree with you that teams would ‘line up’ for their chance at Dak.  He’s an over-achiever, but he is not special.  Teams will line up for special....or they would rather look to the draft if it’s not there.  Smart teams anyway.  

I guess it depends on what you mean by line up. I bet there would be three or four teams willing to pay top dollar (shy of Mahomes) for him. Just like Cousins. 

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Question is whether Prescott will age well, McNabb certainly didn't.

Prescott is better than McNabb. He’s more accurate and isn’t lifting so many weights that he’s too stiff to play QB. 

18 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Dak has no reason to sign a long term contract, if he plays on the tag for the next two years, he will be the highest paid player in the NFL over that period. And after that, he gets to be a free agent and can write his own ticket.

 

Jerry F'ed up, should have signed him a year ago.

Yep it makes no sense for him to sign a deal unless Dallas grossly overpaid because he’s going to get around 68 million guaranteed over the next two years under the franchise.  And he just plays well over the next two years some team in free agency is going to overpay him and he’s going to get somewhere in the vicinity of what kirk cousin got as a starter on the free-agent market with his numbers

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

So the fiscal conservative in me got to pondering Presidential golf, going off of something else I Was reading.  Ike, Obama, Trump - all big time golfers.  I just don’t get why the don’t utilize the military base golf courses around DC.  Heck, there are three courses at Andrews Air Force Base, which is where they park Air Force One.  The Army has two course at Fort Belvoir and the Marines (Navy) have one at Quantico. The actual Navy has one at Patuxent River, one at Annapolis and one at Indian Head. Would be so much easier to protect a president at a military base and I have to imagine, a lot cheaper.  I don’t know when those course were built so I don’t know if they existed when Ike put in the pitch and putt hole and driving range at Camp David, that I assume are still there.  

What got me thinking about this was an article I read on the number of generals and admirals we have now.  Just shy of 1,000 commanding about 1.3 million servicemen. In contrast, in World War II, when we were actually fighting a world war, there were about 2,000 commanding 12 million troops. Average staff cost per flag officer? $1 million. Drivers, secretaries, chefs.  And, of course, golf.  Not easy for an enlisted serviceman to get a tee time. Ever wonder why you aren’t flying with admirals and generals but are with enlisted men?  Well the admirals and generals are getting around in C-40s, basically tricked out versions of what Southwest flies. 

Hey, it’s only tax dollars and frankly, the way this Congress spends within income, just our grandkids’ tax dollars. Seems like those dollars could be better saved or, if spent, maybe on veterans.
 

 

Not that simple, in WWII Generals were commanding soldiers.

Like a lot of industries, there's fewer employees per executive due to "automation," we rely less on mass attacks and more on technology/equipment.

At the same time, the "quality" of generals is up, because the world they deal with is far more complex, simply knowing military strategy isn't nearly enough these days.

Look at the background of McMaster,

Born in Philadelphia, McMaster graduated from the United States Military Academy in 1984, and later earned a Ph.D. in American history from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. His Ph.D. thesis was critical of American strategy and military leadership during the Vietnam War and served as the basis for his book Dereliction of Duty, which is widely read in the United States military. During the Gulf War, McMaster served as a captain in the 2nd Cavalry Regiment, taking part in the Battle of 73 Easting.

After the Gulf War, McMaster served as a military history professor at the United States Military Academy from 1994 to 1996, became a research fellow at the Hoover Institution, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and a Consulting Senior Fellow at the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS).^[2] He held a series of staff positions in the United States Central Command. In 2004, he took command of the 3rd Cavalry Regiment and fought the Iraqi insurgency in Tal Afar. He became a top counterinsurgency advisor to General David Petraeus before serving as the Director of the Army Capabilities Integration Center. He also served as the Deputy to the Commander for Planning of the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan and, in 2012, became Deputy Commanding General of the Army Training and Doctrine Command.

13 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

You don’t have to be the straw that stirs the drink. See Jared Goff. 

By the way, the biggest sticking point apparently is the number of years. The Cowboys want him longer and he smartly wants a shorter deal so he can continue to cash in as the cap grows. 

He’s getting fantastic advice and is playing this perfectly. 

Jared Goff is another example of a team being stupid - see also, Minnesota Vikings.  Overpaying for an average to slightly above average QB will lead to a team with massive holes moving forward and no one available to carry the excessive load.

 

You are correct that NFL teams get stupid when it comes to QBs.  So, maybe Dak is smart.  But, if his goal is to win, trying to get the biggest deal possible won't achieve that end well.  I don't think any QB has ever won a Super Bowl after claiming the 'Highest paid QB in NFL history' crown.   Now, if the goal is 100% financial stability through career alone, then sure, by all means... go for broke.  But, I think that the smarter play is to take a little less money in the short term for greater team success and leverage that success into advertising opportunities that could pay off more richly down the road.  Prescott has done some of that advertising already, but that's because 'he's the hot new name' and Chunky soup likes to bring those guys in early, but once the money is made (or they prove to no longer be so hot), they drop them quick and look for someone new.  Saquon Barkley is the new Campbell's soup guy, I think.   Anyway, I think career earnings can be leveraged with on the field success better and more sustainably by making sure the team around you can function rather than being an albatross they are carrying.  Either way, an extra $10M or even $20M in a given contract likely won't make that much of a difference to the quality of life post-football, but the championship ring likely would change the person's perspective on their career.  Maybe, maybe not.  I bet Brian Dawkins and multiple players from that 2004 team would trade some of their earnings over their career to have won that Super Bowl in Feb 2005.  (Not that their salaries were an impediment, just meaning that the victory is worth more than the money.)   In the case of the QB position, overpaying the QB position makes winning the Super Bowl less and less likely.  I went through the list, and the vast majority of Super Bowl winning teams had either the cheater, circumventing the salary cap rules, or a QB on a rookie deal.  The exceptions were 2 teams, I believe that were QBs in the first year of the extension, when teams normally keep their initial cap hit down because of the big signing bonus they get.  

 

So, yeah, I think Dak is being a bit foolish.  

That all said... he might just want out of Dallas.   He's been there long enough to see that they are historically an 8 win team now... and haven't been much of a playoff contender at all for nearly a quarter century.  So, maybe he's smarter than everyone and just wants to hit FA to be able to find a better team.

In other debates... who would you want as your top 3 All-time Eagles WRs.  Here's the rules though... you want them for just ONE season, equal to their level of play that they had while they played here.  (Remember, there was a time in the early 90's that the Eagles brought in WRs at the absolute end of their rope due to their pathetic WR play - guys like Roy Green, Art Monk and James Lofton all ended their careers with the Eagles.  But choosing them means their "Eagles version" of them, not their All-Pro or HoF level.)

Choose an X, Z and slot.

 

I'll go first.  

X - Harold Carmichael - ideal for the position, and even in today's game would dominate.
Z - Mike Quick - injury plagued career or he would likely have broken every receiving record that Carmichael holds.
slot - Desean Jackson - speed, quickness.

The controversial one here might be that Desean didn't play much slot during his career.  But, that's because he was so good on the outside.  But, with Carmichael and Quick outside, I don't need him outside, and he can kill teams with his quickness OR his speed from the slot... a little like Wes Welker did, but with a much higher top end speed.  People forget just how quick Desean is in and out of breaks, because when he opens it up he could run like very few ever could in the NFL.

Even with a flat cap in 2021, the Cowboys would still franchise Dak. 
QBs can freely negotiate when the threat of a tag is gone.

Dak is making 40+M on the open market. 

35 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That all said... he might just want out of Dallas.   He's been there long enough to see that they are historically an 8 win team now... and haven't been much of a playoff contender at all for nearly a quarter century.  So, maybe he's smarter than everyone and just wants to hit FA to be able to find a better team.

dak would be stupid to want out of dallas , has a decent o-line , RB and WR's that any QB would want. plus all the extra perks to make endorsement money , and all the media love those cowkids get.

4 minutes ago, vaeagle2 said:

dak would be stupid to want out of dallas , has a decent o-line , RB and WR's that any QB would want. plus all the extra perks to make endorsement money , and all the media love those cowkids get.

Except... they are truly mediocrity personified in Dallas.  I've used the example before, they are the Detroit Lions with a better press agent.   Over the last 25 years, they have about the same number of playoff wins, they play at home every year for Thanksgiving and they have the same color scheme.   But, when it comes down to it... they are pretty similar.

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

JFC.  Now Prescott is better than McNabb.  Good God there is some hot takes in here some times.  

He’s not better than peak 2004 McNabb, but yeah, I think he’s been the better QB overall, and he’ll certainly age better than McNabb. 

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Question is whether Prescott will age well, McNabb certainly didn't.

They aren't very similar, at all, really.

He’s smart to wait. 

20 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

JFC.  Now Prescott is better than McNabb.  Good God there is some hot takes in here some times.  

yeah, ridiculous.  mind boggling, really.

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He’s smart to wait. 

Apples to orange comparison there.   Mahomes is still on his rookie deal.  A bit of a false equivalency.  

 

Yes, there's a bit more of a boost in the money with back to back franchise tag.  There's also zero security, so there's a major downside for Prescott.  He could end up with an Alex Smith or Teddy Bridgewater injury.  It happens.  

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He’s had the much better offense.  Not the better QB.  Silly to suggest otherwise.   

And McNabb had a HOF head coach to craft an offense for him. There are tradeoffs for both sides.

But I get it, Dak is a Cowboy and this is at best an uphill battle for me. 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Apples to orange comparison there.   Mahomes is still on his rookie deal.  A bit of a false equivalency.  

 

Yes, there's a bit more of a boost in the money with back to back franchise tag.  There's also zero security, so there's a major downside for Prescott.  He could end up with an Alex Smith or Teddy Bridgewater injury.  It happens.  

It’s not the comparison, it’s the $69M he’s all but guaranteed to make in the next two years if he waits. 

3 hours ago, BigEFly said:

So the fiscal conservative in me got to pondering Presidential golf, going off of something else I Was reading.  Ike, Obama, Trump - all big time golfers.  I just don’t get why the don’t utilize the military base golf courses around DC.  Heck, there are three courses at Andrews Air Force Base, which is where they park Air Force One.  The Army has two course at Fort Belvoir and the Marines (Navy) have one at Quantico. The actual Navy has one at Patuxent River, one at Annapolis and one at Indian Head. Would be so much easier to protect a president at a military base and I have to imagine, a lot cheaper.  I don’t know when those course were built so I don’t know if they existed when Ike put in the pitch and putt hole and driving range at Camp David, that I assume are still there.  

What got me thinking about this was an article I read on the number of generals and admirals we have now.  Just shy of 1,000 commanding about 1.3 million servicemen. In contrast, in World War II, when we were actually fighting a world war, there were about 2,000 commanding 12 million troops. Average staff cost per flag officer? $1 million. Drivers, secretaries, chefs.  And, of course, golf.  Not easy for an enlisted serviceman to get a tee time. Ever wonder why you aren’t flying with admirals and generals but are with enlisted men?  Well the admirals and generals are getting around in C-40s, basically tricked out versions of what Southwest flies. 

Hey, it’s only tax dollars and frankly, the way this Congress spends within income, just our grandkids’ tax dollars. Seems like those dollars could be better saved or, if spent, maybe on veterans.
 

 

This all depends on how you're flying. If a service member is on official travel or hops on a MAC flight, they'll likely get to fly in a C-40 as well. Those are used mainly for official travel. Active duty, dependents, and retirees can sign up to take one for leisure trips and they're cheap as hell but it's not a guarantee you'll fly that day. If another member on official orders needs a seat you'll get bumped.

I just came home on a C-40 I promise it isn't a tricked out anything lol it is almost exactly like a southwest plane. 

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

And McNabb had a HOF head coach to craft an offense for him. There are tradeoffs for both sides.

But I get it, Dak is a Cowboy and this is at best an uphill battle for me. 

It’s not the comparison, it’s the $69M he’s all but guaranteed to make in the next two years if he waits. 

Because no QB has ever been injured?   I don't see the 'all but guaranteed' at all.   He's rolling the dice.  He might win, but it might come up snake eyes.

Between endorsement deals and an insurance policy, Prescott can still make $50M. 

Even in the worst case scenario he’s more than fine. 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Because no QB has ever been injured?   I don't see the 'all but guaranteed' at all.   He's rolling the dice.  He might win, but it might come up snake eyes.

See above. 

2 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

That guy doesn't realize he isn't that good. Take 35 million a year if they offer.

It's the opposite, he knows exactly how good he is and he knows what the landscape will be soon:  Brees, Brady, Rivers all gone within 2 years, Big Ben could be as well, wirh Rogers,  Matty Ice not far behind.  Goff, Carson, Mahomes, Wilson signed.  He is angling perfectly.  

Just now, ManuManu said:

Between endorsement deals and an insurance policy, Prescott can still make $50M. 

Even in the worst case scenario he’s more than fine. 

Sure.   Starting QBs in the NFL are always 'more than fine'.  🤦‍♂️    The question is whether or not he's playing this smart with the gamble or not.  I think he's a little foolish, you think he's a little smart.   Time to move on, I think.

 

15 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He’s smart to wait. 

What ive been saying for a while 69 million over two years. Then if he just gets what cousins did in 84 guaranteed (I’m going to say he gets more unless he gets injured cause of some dumb team will pay him more with QB numbers going up) that’s 153 million guaranteed at the minimum. I’m doubting Dallas is offering him anything close to that in guaranteed money for five years.