1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I guess it depends on what you mean by line up. I bet there would be three or four teams willing to pay top dollar (shy of Mahomes) for him. Just like Cousins. 

Prescott is better than McNabb. He’s more accurate and isn’t lifting so many weights that he’s too stiff to play QB. 

Youre focusing on McNabbs one small weakness and forgetting the arm, ability to make all throws, playmaking ability with arm and legs, and how he carried offenses some years (if it wasnt Westbrook) with no WRs almost all of his career (if it wasnt Westbrook).

Dak is a game manager with a weak arm and actually still makes plenty of inaccurate throws too.

Dak is not better than McNabb was. He just might be more accurate.

It's better for the league if the Cowboys re-sign Dak. Dak on the open market guarantees a cap nightmare for teams trying to pay homegrown QBs.

Also, it seems as if the next evolution for QB contracts might be salaries that increase proportionally with the cap. I wonder if that's what we get the next time a Mahomes-level QB is up for a new deal.

 

40 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

JFC.  Now Prescott is better than McNabb.  Good God there is some hot takes in here some times.  

that was goofy for sure but McNabb will always be remembered as lesser than he was just because so many people hate him now. 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Sure.   Starting QBs in the NFL are always 'more than fine'.  🤦‍♂️    The question is whether or not he's playing this smart with the gamble or not.  I think he's a little foolish, you think he's a little smart.   Time to move on, I think.

There is no real way to say he’s not playing it smart. 

If he plays average football in 2020 he’d still get franchise tagged. 

If he gets a catastrophic injury he’ll still make roughly $80M between endorsements, the franchise tag and his insurance policy. 

If he stinks and the Cowboys let him walk (pretty unlikely), he’d still make a ton on the open market. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

There is no real way to say he’s not playing it smart. 

If he plays average football in 2020 he’d still get franchise tagged. 

If he gets a catastrophic injury he’ll still make roughly $80M between endorsements, the franchise tag and his insurance policy. 

If he stinks and the Cowboys let him walk (pretty unlikely), he’d still make a ton on the open market. 

Honestly if Sam Bradford got hurt a ton times wasn’t exactly great when he did play and still got a ton of money I’m guessing one injury to dak isn’t going to change the narrative that he’s done. Someone will still pay him. And if he doesn’t get hurt then it plays way more into his favor as long as he’s just decent at the position. 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Youre focusing on McNabbs one small weakness and forgetting the arm, ability to make all throws, playmaking ability with arm and legs, and how he carried offenses some years (if it wasnt Westbrook) with no WRs almost all of his career (if it wasnt Westbrook).

Dak is a game manager with a weak arm and actually still makes plenty of inaccurate throws too.

Dak is not better than McNabb was. He just might be more accurate.

Perhaps. I think accuracy is pretty damn important and held McNabb back a great deal. 

This isn’t a hill I’m ready to battle everyone and die on, but I believe Dak is grossly underrated by most on this board. 

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Youre focusing on McNabbs one small weakness and forgetting the arm, ability to make all throws, playmaking ability with arm and legs, and how he carried offenses some years (if it wasnt Westbrook) with no WRs almost all of his career (if it wasnt Westbrook).

Dak is a game manager with a weak arm and actually still makes plenty of inaccurate throws too.

Dak is not better than McNabb was. He just might be more accurate.

Consistent accuracy is severely underrated by a lot of fans when assessing QB play.

By the way, I'm not saying Dak is a better QB than McNabb was (nowhere close).

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Honestly if Sam Bradford got hurt a ton times and still got a ton of money I’m guessing one injury to dak isn’t going to change the narrative that he’s done. 

Teddy Bridgewater effing sucks and somehow got 3 for $63M. Dak would have to pull a Jamies Winston on and off the field to blow a monster payday. The odds are slim, making it a great gamble for him considering he already has secured a S ton of money. 

He’s got Dallas by the balls. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

And that HOF coach put everything on McNabb and failed to surround him with the talent Dak has.  Yeah T.O. for one year.  But I guess it’s McNabb’s fault Owens didn’t stick around.   The dumping on McNabb by this fan base is absurd.   And Prescott is not all that great.  

Honestly when I look back at the McNabb era it’s sadly to see the outside weapons he had for the first couple years of his career in TO. I mean they drafted guys and invested just didn’t think any were legit studs. and then they finally maximized the outside WRs with Desean and Maclin but he was way closer to the end at that point. 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

And that HOF coach put everything on McNabb and failed to surround him with the talent Dak has.  Yeah T.O. for one year.  But I guess it’s McNabb’s fault Owens didn’t stick around.   The dumping on McNabb by this fan base is absurd.   And Prescott is not all that great.  

I’m not dumping on McNabb at all. He was a really good quarterback, and for a short time great. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Don’t make ridiculous statements if you’re not ready to defend it.  You of all people should know that.   

I am defending it. 

50 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

JFC.  Now Prescott is better than McNabb.  Good God there is some hot takes in here some times.  

Got a good chuckle out of that as well.

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Perhaps. I think accuracy is pretty damn important and held McNabb back a great deal. 

This isn’t a hill I’m ready to battle everyone and die on, but I believe Dak is grossly underrated by most on this board. 

As is McNabb.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 Not to mention that HOF coach everyone loves all of the sudden would abandon the run and force McNabb to carry them.  

Reid was ahead of his time. 

Just now, MediterraneanDiet said:

As is McNabb.

Maybe his later years are too ingrained in my brain but when I watch old Eagles games, I don’t think McNabb fares greatly. He was too scattershot (particularly low) and didn’t throw throw with great anticipation. He was a see it and throw it guy. 

That doesn’t mean he wasn’t a pretty good QB in his era...

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m not dumping on McNabb at all. He was a really good quarterback, and for a short time great. 

There has to be context when comparing quarterbacks today to McNabb's era 15 years ago or so. Looking back on McNabb's numbers, they weren't very sexy outside of 2004 by today's standards. He only threw for over 25 TDs once in his career and hovered around 60% completion. If you're strictly going off of numbers, someone could make a case that he's in Andy Dalton territory. I don't think there's many QBs that did more with less than what McNabb did from 2000-2003. You also have to factor in his rushing ability as well. 

I think Dak is a pretty solid quarterback, but he's had more to work with in his first few years in the league than McNabb had for a majority of his. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 So glad he could iron out the kinks here.   

He got us to four NFC title games. There’s no shame in that. He was a helluva coach. 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Perhaps. I think accuracy is pretty damn important and held McNabb back a great deal. 

This isn’t a hill I’m ready to battle everyone and die on, but I believe Dak is grossly underrated by most on this board. 

Dak is a really, really good game manager. But fact is he has always needed a strong running game, a great OL, and has always had excellent receiving weapons. As soon as any 1, just 1 of those things takes a hit, his entire game crumbles. He needs to be propped up by a perfect situation with all 10 other players around him to succeed. He has never carried an offense in any game. And he has never overcome injuries to other positions to keep his team looking good. He is pretty accurate, but his comp % is also propped up by mostly easy throws. He has his share of misses. More so than the elite QBs in the league. Hes accurate but not as much as his comp% suggests. And his arm is weak. Hes pretty athletic but doesnt make a lot of plays with his legs. And, he hardly throws TD passes.

The question about how he will age- probably fairly well because he already has a weak arm and will only get better and better at knowing exactly which throws he can or cant make. And losing athleticism wont hurt him because he doesnt maximize his ability there. 

He can do what he is currently doing for a long time. 

I just completely disagree that he is better than McNabb. He will never even be on the same tier of player McNabb was let alone being better. 

2 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

There has to be context when comparing quarterbacks today to McNabb's era 15 years ago or so. Looking back on McNabb's numbers, they weren't very sexy outside of 2004 by today's standards. He only threw for over 25 TDs once in his career and hovered around 60% completion. If you're strictly going off of numbers, someone could make a case that he's in Andy Dalton territory. I don't think there's many QBs that did more with less than what McNabb did from 2000-2003. You also have to factor in his rushing ability as well. 

I think Dak is a pretty solid quarterback, but he's had more to work with in his first few years in the league than McNabb had for a majority of his. 

One thing that people don’t talk about with Dak is coaching. He’s been held back most of his career by bad coaching and conservative play calling. 

Coaching and playcalling matters so much. People seem to gloss over it. 

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Teddy Bridgewater effing sucks and somehow got 3 for $63M. Dak would have to pull a Jamies Winston on and off the field to blow a monster payday. The odds are slim, making it a great gamble for him considering he already has secured a S ton of money. 

He’s got Dallas by the balls. 

Exactly. His agent isn’t dumb. He looks at it like we go the cousins route unless the complete apocalypse happens to Dak he’s likely going to get somewhere in the neighborhood of 150 mil guaranteed for 5 years (if he goes the cousins route). If Dallas isn’t going to offer that over 5 years why would i sign anything and not bet on myself? I get you can call him not a team guy for doing that and not taking a little less.

 I look at it this way if Dak did get hurt this year I still think Dallas would franchise him. Because I think Andy Dalton would take over and get them stuck in purgatory. Now if dalton does great with the weapons they have then I could see them not franchising Dak. But I believe Dallas thinks Dak can at least get to the playoffs with with the roster they have And give themselves a punchers chance. more of the realistically with dalton you are likely going 6-10/7-9 at best. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

FYP

I said McNabb was a really good QB and for a short time great. 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Man you love you some Dak Prescott.  Should go over well in here.  

Clearly it is. 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Maybe his later years are too ingrained in my brain but when I watch old Eagles games, I don’t think McNabb fares greatly. He was too scattershot (particularly low) and didn’t throw throw with great anticipation. He was a see it and throw it guy. 

That doesn’t mean he wasn’t a pretty good QB in his era...

McNabb played in a really great era along with guys like Favre, Manning, prime Warner, etc. and a bunch of years in McNabbs prime he and Culpepper were battling it out in the top 3 of some major QB stats. Vick was around with his electrifying style too (though he was never nearly the QB any of the others were, he was on that tier as a player overall). I hated Culpepper because it always seemed like such a tight battle between he and McNabb for the best dual threat QB and really both were usually in the top 3-5 in the league at all times during that stretch as far as QB rating, yardage, TDs....

McNabb was an elite player. Accuracy was his only issue and though it prevented a few plays a game from happening it didnt stop this offense. His (and Reid's) offenses were setting franchise records for yardage and scoring every season. McNabb did have some accuracy issues (screens were a weakness of his somehow), and short stuff had too much mustard almost always. But he was one of the most accurate deep ball throwers and in Reid/Childress offenses he wasnt ever protected by easy throws. He aired it out constantly. To horrible WRs.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

McNabb played in a really great era along with guys like Favre, Manning, prime Warner, etc. and a bunch of years in McNabbs prime he and Culpepper were battling it out in the top 3 of some major QB stats. Vick was around with his electrifying style too (though he was never nearly the QB any of the others were, he was on that tier as a player overall). I hated Culpepper because it always seemed like such a tight battle between he and McNabb for the best dual threat QB and really both were usually in the top 3-5 in the league at all times during that stretch as far as QB rating, yardage, TDs....

McNabb was an elite player. Accuracy was his only issue and though it prevented a few plays a game from happening it didnt stop this offense. His (and Reid's) offenses were setting franchise records for yardage and scoring every season. 

I’m familiar with the stats. He was a really good QB paired with a HOF offensive coach/play caller. That’s usually what happens. 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

One thing that people don’t talk about with Dak is coaching. He’s been held back most of his career by blame coaching and conservative play calling. 

Coaching and playcalling matters so much. People seem to gloss over it. 

most consider Garrett an offensive genius and QB guru....

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

most consider Garrett an offensive genius and QB guru....

Lol, no they don’t. Not since like 2005. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

Lol, no they don’t. Not since like 2005. 

Its still said all the time.