9 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

McNabb played in a really great era along with guys like Favre, Manning, prime Warner, etc. and a bunch of years in McNabbs prime he and Culpepper were battling it out in the top 3 of some major QB stats. Vick was around with his electrifying style too (though he was never nearly the QB any of the others were, he was on that tier as a player overall). I hated Culpepper because it always seemed like such a tight battle between he and McNabb for the best dual threat QB and really both were usually in the top 3-5 in the league at all times during that stretch as far as QB rating, yardage, TDs....

McNabb was an elite player. Accuracy was his only issue and though it prevented a few plays a game from happening it didnt stop this offense. His (and Reid's) offenses were setting franchise records for yardage and scoring every season. McNabb did have some accuracy issues (screens were a weakness of his somehow), and short stuff had too much mustard almost always. But he was one of the most accurate deep ball throwers and in Reid/Childress offenses he wasnt ever protected by easy throws. He aired it out constantly. To horrible WRs.

Here's a thought. Without the Pats cheating McNabb would have won Philly it's first Super Bowl

7 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

LeBron is really something on the issues that he gives an opinion on. His lips are as tight as a lid on anything regarding China, but he'll come out and defend Wojnarowski for getting suspended from ESPN for telling a senator "FU" in an email when the senator inquired about if the NBA would allow "Free Hong Kong" as part of their social justice jersey phrases. He was also mum on Stephen Jackson coming out and supporting DeSean's comments. 

Question: if it is OK to trash LeBron for his lack of silence around China and DeSean, with the avowed no-politics 4for4 chiming in on what a d-bag LeBron is, why do skirts get fluffed if I say Trump is a d-bag for saying nothing and actually supporting China's treatment of the Uyghur people (and his primary foreign policy goal is to get a trade deal with China) that Trump pounces on kneelimg but actively supports and courts and hires on his staff White Nationalists, has lied and failed us horribly through covid, but you will scream about not talking politics, then do it, then scream it shouldn't be done.  

8 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

LeBron is really something on the issues that he gives an opinion on. His lips are as tight as a lid on anything regarding China, but he'll come out and defend Wojnarowski for getting suspended from ESPN for telling a senator "FU" in an email when the senator inquired about if the NBA would allow "Free Hong Kong" as part of their social justice jersey phrases. He was also mum on Stephen Jackson coming out and supporting DeSean's comments. 

Selective outrage. See Malcom Jenkins.

48 minutes ago, greend said:

Here's a thought. Without the Pats cheating McNabb would have won Philly it's first Super Bowl

You do realize that if McNabb didn't miss a bunch of throws in that game the Eagles would have cruised?  I thought he played HORRIBLE in that Super Bowl even before he threw up.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

STFU about politics.   I said he was a D Bag.  And he is.  He’s a smug A Hole.   I said nothing about politics.  Take the Trump or Biden bashing to CVON.  It’s that simple.   

So I can just say Trump is a d-bag and screw his social issues?

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Take the politics to CVON.  It’s a simple request.   

I have no problem,  but you didn't respond in kind about LeBron

9 minutes ago, NYEagle said:

You do realize that if McNabb didn't miss a bunch of throws in that game the Eagles would have cruised?  I thought he played HORRIBLE in that Super Bowl even before he threw up.

Played horrible? Wouldn’t go that far. He certainly left points on the board though.

19 minutes ago, NYEagle said:

You do realize that if McNabb didn't miss a bunch of throws in that game the Eagles would have cruised?  I thought he played HORRIBLE in that Super Bowl even before he threw up.

Either way

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

What about him?   He’s not in politics.  You’re obviously a fan.  Go start a Lebron James is awesome thread.  Or go bash Trump in CVON. Or just sit back and read posts and not contribute like you did on the old board.   Or I don’t give a ish what you do, just take that ish to CVON.  Not sure what Lebron has to do with politics.  And certainly not sure what my original post about him has to do with politics either.   
 

 

The point is this: LeBrons politics were discussed and instead of telling the poster to take it to CVON, you linked arms.  

Your insight is rudimentary.   I think its clear how I feel about LeBron being silent on China, now with DeSean.  

Of course, this isn't about LeBron, or Trump, it's about you being a thin skinned hypocrite. 

This one's on me: STFU you tool.

 

51 minutes ago, NYEagle said:

You do realize that if McNabb didn't miss a bunch of throws in that game the Eagles would have cruised?  I thought he played HORRIBLE in that Super Bowl even before he threw up.

My memory is somewhat selective but I don't remember it that way at all.  McNabb made an awful throw that Vrabel intercepted which should have been a TD, but Brady also fumbled in the red zone which I remember those two gaffes as being a saw-off.

McNabb was dreadful against CAR which cost the Eagles a chance to go to a SB; he was also dreadful against TB which may have cost the Eagles a chance to go to another.  I also thought he was really poor in the first half against ARI which put the Eagles way behind -- but the Eagles defense was terrible in that game as well.

I don't think I've ever gone back and watched SB 39 since the original broadcast.  Watching the game in the moment I was pissed that the Eagles kept telegraphing the defense they were running pre-snap .... at least that's what I thought.  When it came out afterwards that they had stolen the Eagles defensive play calls that made more sense.  IIRC I also heard some suggestion they stole the Eagles offensive calls as well; something about their LB calling out the plays before the snap.

God Bless Pederson for running the fake walkthrough before SB 52; the Pats pass defense was 30th overall the whole season, and Pederson exposed them as just that in the Super Bowl.

On 7/11/2020 at 8:13 PM, Asg 15 said:

Thank you. 

Don't bother trying to sway emotional people with facts.. It's pointless

If you think I am emotional about this issue, you are right. I find it appalling that you are not.

On 7/11/2020 at 8:31 PM, Giddyunc said:

Well, I, as well as Martin Luther King, disagree with you

In what way? Just how is it wrong for those citizens who are mistreated by their country to speak up on their own behalf? They are not asking white people for anything; they are demanding equal treatment before the law as citizens.

40 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

The whole Blog talked about DeSean Jackson last week.  I never said anything about that either.   That has nothing to do with politics either.  How did I "link arms” with someone about Lebron?   I simply brought him up cause I watched that Griffey story last night.  You’re all bent because you want to be able to bash Trump in here and mad cause you want your way.   And I’m the thin skinned one?  You’re clueless, really.  Trust me.  I’m a lot of things.  Thin Skinned isn’t one of them.  
 

Go back to sitting on the sidelines and being silent.   You’re better at that.   

Again, your insight is feeble, much like your defense.  Go back to posting about grilling, it's what you do best.

 

Interesting article from The Athletic, interviewing agents about the offseason:

https://theathletic.com/1919910/2020/07/13/nfl-agent-survey-30-reps-rap-on-transactions-front-offices-and-current-events/

Biggest surprise:
"I don’t love the franchise tag, but I would love to be Dak Prescott. I think he’s in the best situation of anyone.”

"Not getting a long-term deal done with Dak Prescott. Big miss for Dallas.”

A bunch of agents listed a bunch of different Texans moves. Yikes. Brady to the Bucs was another.

Best offseason: Bucs and Dolphins

Worst offseason: Texans and Pats

Biggest nonsense you were told or reported by the media (highlighting the one we care about): "The Eagles claiming they didn’t have the money to give big guaranteed contracts. That was something that we were told, and it was totally and completely BS because they turned around and signed Darius Slay and gave him a ton of money guaranteed. I don’t know if you remember it, but Slay didn’t get traded immediately. It took a little while, so they were telling a bunch of people in free agency that they couldn’t really pay a lot of guaranteed money and they paid Darius Slay a great deal.”

What GM do you trust the most: Ballard, Schneider and Andrew Berry were in the top three. Roseman and Douglas also received a vote (18 of the 32 received at least one vote).

Who do you trust the least: Belichick (4 votes) Elway 3, O’Brien 3, Roseman 2.

Why Roseman: 

"Just look at his career path. He’s pretty much pulled the rug out from underneath everybody that ever got close to him in Philly. And when he does, Howie’s gonna do his best for Howie. He’s proven that year after year after year.”

"He’s very good. He is very good at executing his plan and utilizing the information or the tools or the people or whatever to help him get there. And, you know, he’ll get there at whatever costs that he needs to get to his goal. And I don’t say that he’s not trustworthy, because he’s not a bad dude or a liar or whatever. But you know, he’s just very good at his job.”

Among general managers or front-office leaders, who is the smartest?

Roseman (5 votes, the top vote getter, he also got a vote for toughest negotiator)

"If I was gonna go into the lab and build a GM, it’s a guy that can deal with the media, a guy that knows personnel and a guy that knows money. Those are the three things. Howie Roseman is a guy who I think is very good with the media from what I can tell. I know that he knows the money game very well. And I’ve known him for 15-18 years and he’s worked incredibly hard to learn football and how to evaluate to the point now where he’s really good. I give him a lot of credit that he can handle all three parts of the job.”

"He knows how to put teams together. And he’s working with a limited amount in terms of the cap. He knows how to maneuver and get players that he feels like will fit the scheme even if he doesn’t have to pay them top dollar. He’s very smart in terms of chess moves. I’m not a huge fan. I will say that, as well. But he knows what he’s doing in terms of putting things together.”

Best talent evaluators: Ballard, Belichick, McCloughan. Douglas and Mayock also got two votes. 

Future GM: Among those listed were two Eagles: Weidl and Brandon Brown. 

Whether talking about a GM, front-office leader, coach or owner, who receives too much credit? Jones (5 votes) "My angle is more from a football evaluation standpoint. I just don’t think he’s that great at it. I think he’s a stellar marketer and branding expert but sometimes that goes in front of the football decision-making process.” The Eagles front office also got a vote. So did Reid. 

Interesting thought. Hope it didn't come to that. 

33 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Interesting article from The Athletic, interviewing agents about the offseason:

https://theathletic.com/1919910/2020/07/13/nfl-agent-survey-30-reps-rap-on-transactions-front-offices-and-current-events/

Biggest surprise:
"I don’t love the franchise tag, but I would love to be Dak Prescott. I think he’s in the best situation of anyone.”

"Not getting a long-term deal done with Dak Prescott. Big miss for Dallas.”

A bunch of agents listed a bunch of different Texans moves. Yikes. Brady to the Bucs was another.

Best offseason: Bucs and Dolphins

Worst offseason: Texans and Pats

Biggest nonsense you were told or reported by the media (highlighting the one we care about): "The Eagles claiming they didn’t have the money to give big guaranteed contracts. That was something that we were told, and it was totally and completely BS because they turned around and signed Darius Slay and gave him a ton of money guaranteed. I don’t know if you remember it, but Slay didn’t get traded immediately. It took a little while, so they were telling a bunch of people in free agency that they couldn’t really pay a lot of guaranteed money and they paid Darius Slay a great deal.”

What GM do you trust the most: Ballard, Schneider and Andrew Berry we’re in the top three. Roseman and Douglas also received a vote (18 of the 32 received at least one vote).

Who do you trust the least: Belichick (4 votes) Elway 3, O’Brien 3, Roseman 2.

Why Roseman: 

"Just look at his career path. He’s pretty much pulled the rug out from underneath everybody that ever got close to him in Philly. And when he does, Howie’s gonna do his best for Howie. He’s proven that year after year after year.”

"He’s very good. He is very good at executing his plan and utilizing the information or the tools or the people or whatever to help him get there. And, you know, he’ll get there at whatever costs that he needs to get to his goal. And I don’t say that he’s not trustworthy, because he’s not a bad dude or a liar or whatever. But you know, he’s just very good at his job.”

Among general managers or front-office leaders, who is the smartest?

Roseman (5 votes, the top vote getter, he also got a vote for toughest negotiator)

"If I was gonna go into the lab and build a GM, it’s a guy that can deal with the media, a guy that knows personnel and a guy that knows money. Those are the three things. Howie Roseman is a guy who I think is very good with the media from what I can tell. I know that he knows the money game very well. And I’ve known him for 15-18 years and he’s worked incredibly hard to learn football and how to evaluate to the point now where he’s really good. I give him a lot of credit that he can handle all three parts of the job.”

"He knows how to put teams together. And he’s working with a limited amount in terms of the cap. He knows how to maneuver and get players that he feels like will fit the scheme even if he doesn’t have to pay them top dollar. He’s very smart in terms of chess moves. I’m not a huge fan. I will say that, as well. But he knows what he’s doing in terms of putting things together.”

Best talent evaluators: Ballard, Belichick, McCloughan. Douglas and Mayock also got two votes. 

Future GM: Among those listed were two Eagles: Weidl and Brandon Brown. 

Whether talking about a GM, front-office leader, coach or owner, who receives too much credit? Jones (5 votes) "My angle is more from a football evaluation standpoint. I just don’t think he’s that great at it. I think he’s a stellar marketer and branding expert but sometimes that goes in front of the football decision-making process.” The Eagles front office also got a vote. So did Reid. 

Pulled the rug out from anyone that got close to him?

Re what Baldinger is spreading, instead of signing a certain DE, could it be the signing of the remaining 8 draftees this week?  That will also boost the roster and get ready for the season.

1 minute ago, greend said:

Pulled the rug out from anyone that got close to him?

Exactly. Has anyone ever gotten a good job after working with Howie? No.

 

 

Other than Douglas, or Berry, or Reich, or...

 

4 minutes ago, greend said:

Pulled the rug out from anyone that got close to him?

No one should be within 6 feet of him right now.  Mask or not.  

 

I'll see myself out, thanks.

https://www.twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1282378936488464384

 

Let's talk football.  How many things are wrong with this OL rep?

12 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Perhaps. I think accuracy is pretty damn important and held McNabb back a great deal. 

This isn’t a hill I’m ready to battle everyone and die on, but I believe Dak is grossly underrated by most on this board. 

Comparing Dak to McNabb is a bad comparison, not because they don't both have weaknesses, it's because they are 2 totally different types of QBs.  Dak is at his best when he's making his first read.  He's not a scrambler.  He doesn't have elite arm strength.  He's like a Kirk Cousins.  He is best with a good offensive game plan and good to great talent around him.  He's a good QB. He could win a Super Bowl but he's never going to do it without a lot of help.  

McNabb took teams of less than average talent at the WR position to the playoffs in consecutive seasons.  At times he was the most productive player on the offense.  McNabb only had accuracy issues with certain types of throws.  I think his throwing motion sometimes led to some worm burners.  His arm strength and ability to throw deep was elite.  He also threw beautiful seam routes.  I think the bigger issue was not playing at his best in big games.  He had some pretty mediocre to bad big games.  Even with his not great game in the Super Bowl, I think too much of the blame for the team's failure goes on him.  Sure McNabb deserves blame for the Super Bowl but the Eagles also could not run the ball that game.  Some of that may have been on Reid and frankly some of that was probably due to the Patriots cheating.  I don't think the loss gets placed solely on McNabb.

 

 

20 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Comparing Dak to McNabb is a bad comparison, not because they don't both have weaknesses, it's because they are 2 totally different types of QBs.  Dak is at his best when he's making his first read.  He's not a scrambler.  He doesn't have elite arm strength.  He's like a Kirk Cousins.  He is best with a good offensive game plan and good to great talent around him.  He's a good QB. He could win a Super Bowl but he's never going to do it without a lot of help.  

McNabb took teams of less than average talent at the WR position to the playoffs in consecutive seasons.  At times he was the most productive player on the offense.  McNabb only had accuracy issues with certain types of throws.  I think his throwing motion sometimes led to some worm burners.  His arm strength and ability to throw deep was elite.  He also threw beautiful seam routes.  I think the bigger issue was not playing at his best in big games.  He had some pretty mediocre to bad big games.  Even with his not great game in the Super Bowl, I think too much of the blame for the team's failure goes on him.  Sure McNabb deserves blame for the Super Bowl but the Eagles also could not run the ball that game.  Some of that may have been on Reid and frankly some of that was probably due to the Patriots cheating.  I don't think the loss gets placed solely on McNabb.

 

 

I don’t have it in me today to continue that conversation today, but I appreciate your well thought out and reasoned response. 

Like I said yesterday, McNabb was a very good and for a short time great QB. No, he didn’t have great weapons for much of his career, but he also had a top OL and a HOF head coach. That matters greatly. 

A young McNabb would have been fun to watch in today’s NFL, especially the Ravens’ offense. An older McNabb would have been a struggle to watch. 

58 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Interesting thought. Hope it didn't come to that. 

I agree. I have very little faith in a complete and competitive NCAAF season this year, especially if the season gets punted to the spring.