If Dillard turns out to be a bust we will have completely failed Wentz. We already f'ed up by not giving him a good WR core, now we would have F'ed up his blindside protector.

9 minutes ago, FTheCowboys said:

I hope everything Adam Caplan has said leading up to the draft is wrong just to put him in his place. His condescending attitude rubs me the wrong way.

I never listen to him.  Best way to deal with him is ignore him.

Just now, eagle45 said:

Dillard is worth more to us than he could possibly be to anyone else.  We have no LT and he has been in the system for a year.  The very willingness to trade him deflates his value to a second chance lottery ticket.  

But if we added an extra first we could address WR AND LT? If the team aren't sold on Dillard then perhaps that's best. And I'm not saying the team aren't high on him I'm just spitballing. 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Josh Rosen went for 2nd rounder after an awful rookie year. Dillard would fetch some good compensation and if we don't think he's a good fit, we should avoid the sunk cost fallacy and trade him.

I'm with @Rhinoddd50though. Missing on Dillard would be another hit to the scouting staff. 

If we trade Dillard, I want it to be for 2021 draft picks so a different GM is making them.  Seriously.  If he's not a good fit, then I don't want the current power structure making any more draft picks.  Trade them all.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

 

I just want to confirm that the idea is that the answer to the glaring need to get younger and healthier at WR is a WR that missed 7 games last year, 5 games the year before, and will be 30 this season.  

 

I know that no one is suggesting that he'd be the only addition, but I don't think that the addition of Goodwin makes one bit of difference to the draft strategy.  He's too old, he's too often injured to be counted on as anything more than a band-aid, the same as Torrey Smith or Mike Wallace before him.  If he stays healthy and can contribute, great.  But, I just don't see adding him as a needle mover.

hes probably not going to move the needle but you need depth too. When Jackson is hurt, itd be nice to have Goodwin to step in. 

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

What about Dillard plus a 2021 second round? 

To get 11? I don’t think that would get it done to be honest. I think you lose value dealing dillard now unless douglas has blinders on and just covers him more than the eagles right now. 

 i rather have dillard. However I’d need to know their plans at OT next year. Like if they thought to bring back peters, draft someone like Cleveland and stout signed off on it then I’d be ok i guess. I still rather not. 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Shenault it is 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Honestly Goodwin has a very Torrey Smith feel too it. Not sure how productive he be now at 29 but he’s better than what we have and if you can restructure his deal to lower his cap for a year I’d take the chance depending on the compensation we have to give up. 

Yep its very similar to the Torrey Smith move in 2017, and the same $5M cap hit.  I would not restructure if we have to guarantee any 2021 money.  That way we can cut him loose for no dead cap in 2021 if needed.

If we get Goodwin then we've got 2 veteran speed receivers in him and DeSean.  Plus Ertz and Goedert as middle of the field threats.  Sanders and Scott out of the backfield.  Ward in the slot.  Obviously missing a stud Z receiver, but hopefully Alshon can get healthy and provide something.  If not, its still not as desperate of a situation where we need to force a pick at WR.

Hopefully the board comes to us and there are one or more WR who provide value during the draft.  If not we can maximize value at other needed positions.

Then look again to the trade market, and/or find our next stud Z WR next year.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

hes probably not going to move the needle but you need depth too. When Jackson is hurt, itd be nice to have Goodwin to step in. 

I'm good with that.  I'm not good with the idea that the WR need changes as a result of adding him.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

 

I just want to confirm that the idea is that the answer to the glaring need to get younger and healthier at WR is a WR that missed 7 games last year, 5 games the year before, and will be 30 this season.  

 

I know that no one is suggesting that he'd be the only addition, but I don't think that the addition of Goodwin makes one bit of difference to the draft strategy.  He's too old, he's too often injured to be counted on as anything more than a band-aid, the same as Torrey Smith or Mike Wallace before him.  If he stays healthy and can contribute, great.  But, I just don't see adding him as a needle mover.

That's fine, but don't pretend forcing a pick on a guy like Reagor at #21 provides any kind of guarantees either.  1st round WR's have a massive bust rate.  Which is exactly why you don't want to be forced to pick one.

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Internet connection lost.  Hahaha

Just now, Arsenal79 said:

Yep its very similar to the Torrey Smith move in 2017, and the same $5M cap hit.  I would not restructure if we have to guarantee any 2021 money.  That way we can cut him loose for no dead cap in 2021 if needed.

If we get Goodwin then we've got 2 veteran speed receivers in him and DeSean.  Plus Ertz and Goedert as middle of the field threats.  Sanders and Scott out of the backfield.  Ward in the slot.  Obviously missing a stud Z receiver, but hopefully Alshon can get healthy and provide something.  If not, its still not as desperate of a situation where we need to force a pick at WR.

Hopefully the board comes to us and there are one or more WR who provide value during the draft.  If not we can maximize value at other needed positions.

Then look again to the trade market, and/or find our next stud Z WR next year.

I’d need to see how they restructure the contract. If i could lower his cap to 2 mil this year. That’s 3 mil savings for this year that’ll carry over to 2021. If they make the guarantee just around million next year it’s still a net 2 mil gain for us cap wise 

Just now, Arsenal79 said:

That's fine, but don't pretend forcing a pick on a guy like Reagor at #21 provides any kind of guarantees either.  1st round WR's have a massive bust rate.  Which is exactly why you don't want to be forced to pick one.

Howie should have thought about that then before putting us in this mess. 

Howies draft day desktop in case y'all wanted it

Well, this Dillard article succeeded in making me more concerned about something than WR heading into the draft.  Bravo.

If Dillard is a bust and they need to acquire another LT, that can't be undone even if they have unprecedented dumb luck, Howie clicks the wrong WR on his computer, and they end up with a pro-bowler.  

27 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

You know why some are saying the eagles may surprise? Its gonna be Jonathan Taylor!

Now that would be bad 

Just now, greendestiny27 said:

Now that would be bad 

God can you imagine?

Just now, Arsenal79 said:

That's fine, but don't pretend forcing a pick on a guy like Reagor at #21 provides any kind of guarantees either.  1st round WR's have a massive bust rate.  Which is exactly why you don't want to be forced to pick one.

I agree.  It has a high bust rate, we've experienced it here.  But, if you think the bust rate in the first round is bad, don't look at the 2nd or 3rd round as being better.  The only thing that's different about them is that they cost less when you fail.  But, the result is: the offense is just as bad.    And selecting that WR at 21 rather than waiting for 53 to finally address WR means that 32 selections haven't gone off the board, including a likely 5 or 6 (maybe more) WRs.  There will be a run on WRs in this draft, and I think that run starts at either 21 or 22.  I'd rather it start at 21 and the Eagles get their favorite of the 'next tier', rather than the Eagles sit at the end of the run and get whomever is left.   Frankly, I'd be pretty happy with WRs at both 21 and 53.  And then address the LB position at 103.  I don't see the LBs at 103 being so much worse than Murray or Queen.  They are a notch below, certainly, but I think this team needs to add weapons, legitimate weapons, for Wentz - not just the leftovers and dregs that he was forced to work with last season.

 

No guarantees, certainly, but adding 3 WRs like Goodwin, Reagor and Higgins would give three rolls of the dice, rather than just one.

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Howie should have thought about that then before putting us in this mess. 

Honestly bad GMs put themselves in bad positions. Horrible GMs like Bill O’Brien put themselves into bad positions and then compound a bad situations on top of it. Just cause you are in a mess doesn’t mean drafting a lesser player at a bigger area of need makes it all better or gets you out of the mess. It very well could make it worse as you reached on a player and missed out on a bigger impact player then what that need position gave you. 

 

ESP (not that it means much) thinks it feels like Reagor will be the guy.

BLG points out that Zerlein says eagles enamored by Reagor's speed and Zerlein was the guy who first reported their move up for Wentz.

Pretty decent smoke building around Reagor. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Honestly bad GMs put themselves in bad positions. Horrible GMs like Bill O’Brien put themselves into bad positions and then compound a bad situations on top of it. Just cause you are in a mess doesn’t mean drafting a lesser player at a bigger area of need makes it all better or gets you out of the mess. It very well could make it worse as you reached on a player and missed out on a bigger impact player then what that need position gave you. 

 

And when do we give Wentz the 2 weapons he needs?

1 hour ago, Green Dog said:

If we get up to 11, then that would mean we could have the pick of the litter for WRs.

 

If that’s the case, as much as I like Lamb, it should be Ruggs.  Then somehow try to get Higgins with the 2nd round pick. 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

ESP (not that it means much) thinks it feels like Reagor will be the guy.

BLG points out that Zerlein says eagles enamored by Reagor's speed and Zerlein was the guy who first reported their move up for Wentz.

Pretty decent smoke building around Reagor. 

The correct choice. 

I've been pounding the table about Reagor for months. He's a better prospect than Brandin Cooks...and Howie loved Cooks in 2014.

Damn all this Dillard talk has put a real damper on my draft excitement.

Dammit Howie, how can you excel at everything else a GM does, but massively suck at drafting.