Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Glad to hear she pulled through.

The rest put a s mile on my face reminding me of my grandmother. Whenever my family would visit her she always talked to my sister about those same things and you can literlaly seem them light up thinking of those memories. It seems to bring them so much joy to remember those things. Thats awesome. 

Yea, it's pretty great.  It makes me wish I could have experienced that era.  One of the best stories is about my grandfather, youngest of 12, 101st AB paratrooper jumped on D-Day but the biggest goofball/prankster you'd meet.  He and his brothers who prank people in ridiculous ways.  They would head down to Wildwood and start just doing military calisthenics on the boardwalk together.  Somehow they would get strangers to think they had to join them and as the story goes they would have 20+ people exercising at their command for no reason.  They would also carry big boxes on to buses, ask a stranger to hold it for them really quick then just get off the bus as it drove away, people holding boxes for no reason.  Stupid stupid pranks but innocent fun in a different time.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Has anyone else on here watched Oliver stone’s untold history of the US on Netflix? I watched the first Two episodes. It was good if you love history and not exactly portrayed in the same way you might have been taught it. 

I watched the first two episodes today. I enjoyed it. Didn’t seem as radical as I expected coming from Stone. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I watched the first two episodes today. I enjoyed it. Didn’t seem as radical as I expected coming from Stone. 

I am actually intrigued to see how he continues it. Haven’t gotten back around to it. But when i started it i figured it might be very radical. It really wasn’t in the first two episodes. 

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Yea, it's pretty great.  It makes me wish I could have experienced that era.  One of the best stories is about my grandfather, youngest of 12, 101st AB paratrooper jumped on D-Day but the biggest goofball/prankster you'd meet.  He and his brothers who prank people in ridiculous ways.  They would head down to Wildwood and start just doing military calisthenics on the boardwalk together.  Somehow they would get strangers to think they had to join them and as the story goes they would have 20+ people exercising at their command for no reason.  They would also carry big boxes on to buses, ask a stranger to hold it for them really quick then just get off the bus as it drove away, people holding boxes for no reason.  Stupid stupid pranks but innocent fun in a different time.

Sounds a lot like my grandfather.   He used to call himself the original Beetle Bailey.  I loved listening to his stories.

1 hour ago, Desertbirds said:

There will be over 200,000 dead Americans by the end of November.

Graph says we are doing fine there especially compared to Europe.

18 minutes ago, Shocker54 said:

Getting ready to moderate fools yo

 

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

So if we combine the 2 graphs.  One showing that the United States still has growing cases but also still has a declining death rate...isn't that a good thing?  This isn't a the virus isn't real argument, it's just reading 2 graphs simultaneously and digesting the data.  The end goal is to limit the number of deaths and continue to have the death rate go down.  We are doing that.  The spike in cases in the United States is also in young people who are able to fight through the virus.  Yes, we can continue to be smart but to be Philly and cancel all events until March, cut dining capacity to 25% and limit gatherings just seems like more pandering.

Am I wrong in that thinking?  Lower death rate=good.  Rising number of cases=not good but the overall fatality is not as high as once perceived=good.   No? 

No, I think you are right. Combine that with the story from the UK and it doesn't seem like a bad thing.

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

Graph says we are doing fine there especially compared to Europe.

Did he just Andy Reid our corona virus deaths?

46 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Need help learning how to read a graph, Lean? The lower the line the better on that one. All those country from Europe are way higher. France, Belgium, UK, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Ireland, Switzerland, Poland and then the US. Notice how the line for deaths in the US is going down even during a time when the numbers of infections are spiking up?  We are doing fine.

26 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

Did he just Andy Reid our corona virus deaths?

Andy says we are fine there not doing fine Close though

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

Need help learning how to read a graph, Lean? The lower the line the better on that one. All those country from Europe are way higher. France, Belgium, UK, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Ireland, Switzerland, Poland and then the US.

Andy says we are fine there not doing fine Close though

Yes, we are clearly doing better than Ireland’s 1,752 deaths. And I’m sure they had the exact same testing capacity of USA. You clearly need help reading a graph. Start with the fine print about how this is a poor measure of mortality risk.

 

Then maybe you can read and understand why France is so high on your graph.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/17/world/europe/france-coronavirus.html

 

16 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Hey sweetie my man is way better than what you got 

Uh huh

49 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

JFC guys.  Quit beating this ish to death in here.   For God sakes, most posters are over it and want an escape from it.    What does this have to do with how bad an actor Bruce Willis is, anyway?  

I think his career as a musician was better.

9 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I just finished The Old Guard on Netflix and it was pretty cool. Hope there will be more.

It was the "poster” with Charlize Theron that got you interested, admit it. 

9 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

For people who think deaths were over reported for COVID, all  you really have to do is look at deaths before COVID, and deaths after the pandemic hit.

We dont know who really died of the covid or the stroke if they had both... or COVID and the heart attack, etc... but when you look at the data and see that overall deaths increased in march, april, may... then you know that difference is due to COVID. That is how you know how big an impact on deaths the disease had even if you dont know what exactly killed each individual that died.

Overall deaths went up significantly, and the common denominator is COVID. 

 

Now if overall deaths go back down, and COVID deaths remain steady, then youll know they are being over reported. 

This is true.  The number of increased deaths suggest it may be higher than reported, especially for those dying outside of hospitals.  It is beginning to look like Covid hampers the bodies ability to deal with existing morbidities as well.  So in reporting, some of those deaths are up as well. 

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

It was the "poster” with Charlize Theron that got you interested, admit it. 

She's a meh... for me actually. 

8 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

No, I think you are right. Combine that with the story from the UK and it doesn't seem like a bad thing.

Straws, grasping at, you are.

8 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

This is true.  The number of increased deaths suggest it may be higher than reported, especially for those dying outside of hospitals.  It is beginning to look like Covid hampers the bodies ability to deal with existing morbidities as well.  So in reporting, some of those deaths are up as well. 

That’s not even counting those who will have lifelong struggles because of strokes, heart attacks and permanent heart or lung damage (among other issues) due to Covid.

 

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

Straws, grasping at, you are.

Lol if I'm on the opposite side of someone who quotes Yoda I'm pretty confident in my position. 

12 hours ago, bpac55 said:

So if we combine the 2 graphs.  One showing that the United States still has growing cases but also still has a declining death rate...isn't that a good thing?  This isn't a the virus isn't real argument, it's just reading 2 graphs simultaneously and digesting the data.  The end goal is to limit the number of deaths and continue to have the death rate go down.  We are doing that.  The spike in cases in the United States is also in young people who are able to fight through the virus.  Yes, we can continue to be smart but to be Philly and cancel all events until March, cut dining capacity to 25% and limit gatherings just seems like more pandering.

Am I wrong in that thinking?  Lower death rate=good.  Rising number of cases=not good but the overall fatality is not as high as once perceived=good.   No? 

Errr...not really.  Yes, lower fatality rates are a good thing if you get it under control.  Once you get it under control, you then hope you can keep infection rates low until vaccines and/or better treatments come out.  That's the idea.

Championing "lower death rates" when infection levels are rampant in several states is the equivalent of going to war with only a select few special troops in the beginning.... say 10,000.  A high % of those special troops had casualties....say 1000 out of those 10,000.  (10%)  You get intelligence information saying that you could get the war under control, through diplomacy, without needing to send in additional troops.

Instead,  you decided to go full boar and send in the entire military, say 1,000,000 troops.  Out of those 1,000,000 troops, there are 10,000 casualties.  Instead of stating that you had 10,000 casualties, you come out with a statement saying, "We are winning the war since we only have a 1% casualty rate vs a 10% casualty rate"

(Although in reality you just lost 10x the amount of troops that you lost from the initial battles; which likely could have been avoided through diplomacy). 

7 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yes, we are clearly doing better than Ireland’s 1,752 deaths. And I’m sure they had the exact same testing capacity of USA. You clearly need help reading a graph. Start with the fine print about how this is a poor measure of mortality risk.

 

Then maybe you can read and understand why France is so high on your graph.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/17/world/europe/france-coronavirus.html

 

Clear you are determined to ignore anything, but the sky is falling. No point to continue. 

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Errr...not really.  Yes, lower fatality rates are a good thing if you get it under control.  Once you get it under control, you then hope you can keep infection rates low until vaccines and/or better treatments come out.  That's the idea.

Championing "lower death rates" when infection levels are rampant in several states is the equivalent of going to war with only a select few special troops in the beginning.... say 10,000.  A high % of those special troops had casualties....say 1000 out of those 10,000.  (10%)  You get intelligence information saying that you could get the war under control, through diplomacy, without needing to send additional troops in.

Instead,  you decided to go full boar and send in the entire military, say 1,000,000 troops.  Out of those 1,000,000 troops, there are 10,000 casualties.  Instead of stating that you had 10,000 casualties, you come out with a statement saying, "We are winning the war since we only have a 1% casualty rate vs a 10% casualty rate"

(Although in reality you just lost 10x the amount of troops from the initial battles, which likely could have been avoided through diplomacy). 

good analogy. I gain understanding best with stories 🙃

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 What does this have to do with how bad an actor Bruce Willis is, anyway?  

Is this on a James Franco bad actor scale?

22 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Clear you are determined to ignore anything, but the sky is falling. No point to continue. 

Yes, me, the one saying look at what is behind the graph, is determined to ignore anything. Not the one saying just look at the graph. You are right, no point to continue