1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Zierlein had the Eagles taking Reagor @ 21 in his last mock.  I would suspect he had some insight.

Right, but that doesn’t mean he was the WR2 on their board. 

Just now, FTheCowboys said:

That's not a fair comparison and you know it. C'mon man. There's a big difference between trading up a handful of spots to trading up to #1 overall pick. Every poster in here would have been elated if we traded up a few spots for Lamb. When you discuss deals and turn down a request, that is passing. We can debate this all night, we just aren't going to agree.

You’re right, we aren’t going to agree because there is no way to know the cost. Not reaching a deal is not a pass. It’s impossible to know if there was even a deal on the table to begin with. There’s a possible scenario Broncos who were known to want a WR, wanted Jeudy. Falcons who were believed to want to trade up, didn’t want to trade back. And it’s obvious the Cowboys aren’t going to trade with us for anything reasonable given the circumstance. Just because Howie reached out doesn’t mean it was a realistic possibility. 

1 minute ago, FTheCowboys said:

Absolutely. I wouldn't have thought twice about it. People here were cool doing that before the draft for Ruggs because no one thought Lamb would be available. I'd have done it for Lamb in a second.

I fundamentally disagree with that price to move up for a non-QB.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Of course.  But we don't know the cost to move up for Lamb.  And frankly, I much prefer the sit tight rather than get stupid aggressive and go after Lamb.  Granted, I wasn't a big Lamb guy.  But, none the less, this team has mortgaged too many draft picks on failed aggressive moves.  Sitting still and landing Reagor (even over Jefferson) is absolutely a smart way to play it.  Having 53 available tomorrow with Reagor in the back pocket makes me feel WAY better about this draft than if we had Lamb and no pick until 103... maybe.  Might have had to offer that too to move up to 16.  We don't know how expensive it was.  Howie did say he wanted to hold on to his high 'picks' (plural).

We don’t know 100 percent, but we can infer that it would have cost 53. I’m fine with them not pulling the trigger. 

Dez Bryant approves of the Reagor pick.  Says the Eagles got themselves a monster.

If I'm wrong tell me I'm wrong, but it just feels like people are really bummed about Lamb going to Dallas and are trying to convince themselves to like how things turned out because it's too painful to admit that Dallas, who already has a stud at WR, stole the best WR in this draft class from us. It's easier to tell yourself that it was never going to happen than live with that regret.

I hate to preface every pick with "we'll see how things play out" because that much is always obvious, but just sitting here tonight on April 24th, what Howie Roseman did tonight is completely and totally indefensible. On so many levels.

And I like Reagor, but I adore Lamb.

3 hours ago, eagle45 said:

In order of preference:

1. Ruggs at 21

2. Trade down, Reagor in late 20's.

3. Trade up for Ruggs.

4. Reagor at 21.

Per usual, my tolerance for deviation from my personal plan will be low.

I can go to sleep satisfied.  #'s 1,2,3 were out of our control.  

5 minutes ago, JayEcho said:

this is the thing, a lot of people think it would only be a switch of firsts and 53...  but knowing how trades work, it could've cost (early) pick(s) next year too.

It could have cost 53 and 103. It takes two teams to tango to trade , and a lot of people forget that

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Right, but that doesn’t mean he was the WR2 on their board. 

All we heard during Howie's presser tonight was speed, speed, speed.  He referred to the "other option" going much earlier.

I can easily fathom Reagor being slightly ahead of Jeudy and Lamb for that reason.

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Would you have been OK trading 53/21 for Lamb?

That's what it all comes down to! The Eagles had zero leverage sitting where they were at 21! The asking might normally had been a 3rd, but I don't think #103 would get it done. I am sure the asking price the was the 2nd. The Eagles still have holes so losing that 2nd was a big deal. They were just stuck with no easy way out. I am happy they got a player they researched and liked.

The Eagles should now be able to stretch the field horizontally and vertically especially with a healthy Jackson. Maybe it takes some pressure off of JJAW to develop. I still have hope for him.

I think the Eagles did the right thing. Kenneth Murray would have been the safest pick but being safe (At maybe the least valued position) doesn’t get you Super Bowls. 

I’m going to predict that the Eagles move up in round 2 for another WR. Probably give up a 4th round pick. My shortlist 

1. Hamler

2. Pittman jr. 

3. Higgins 

4. Lynn Bowden (think he’s a round 3 pick) 

I hated Lamb going to the cowboys more than the Eagles missing out on him.  I am actually happy with Reagor, I think he  will be a good surprise.  Living in Dallas, I have watched quite a few TCU games and their QB sucked, as many folks have said.  If the Eagles can come out of tomorrow with one of Mims / Higgins/ Shenault/Edwards and one of Gross-Matos/McKinney/Delpit (will need trade ups, maybe Rasul as asset to trade?) it would be phenomenal (though unlikely).  CB/LB on day 3, I think there will be value to be had.  That would give us 3 playmakers/starters

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Ah... so you don't know what it would have cost.

Of course not, but I think the 2nd rounder is a logical assumption, no? I've never heard moving up 5 spots into the mid teens ever costing more than a 2nd rounder. Has that ever happened? Ever?

Hey, if it comes out it cost way more than that, I'll eat crow. Post the report and tag me in it and I'll apologize.

5 minutes ago, FTheCowboys said:

Absolutely. I wouldn't have thought twice about it. People here were cool doing that before the draft for Ruggs because no one thought Lamb would be available. I'd have done it for Lamb in a second.

The general consensus in here was people would not have traded 53 or a future first for any of the top 3, let alone moving up just 5 picks in the middle of the first 

3 minutes ago, FTheCowboys said:

I think we both know it wouldn't have cost 53 and a future first rounder to move up 5-6 spots. That doesn't jive with the comparable compensation. I got the sense from Howie it would have cost 53 and I'd have done it in a second.

You are going by the draft trade chart... but for all you know the Falcons were locked in on their CB.  And might have not wanted to move back, knowing the Dallas just lost a CB in free agency and would have been a likely target for a CB.  So, the Falcons absolutely could have put a ridiculous price tag on a trade up option, because they really didn't want to.  The trade process takes TWO willing participants and you can't just assume that the other team is interested in making a trade 'at value'.  Maybe they do, or maybe they really really don't... but would for a massive overpay.  

 

See, you are talking about comparable compensation for a situation where both sides want to make the trade.  But, you don't know what Atlanta wanted to do.  There was some discussion about the Falcons trying to move up earlier in the draft... right before they got on the clock.  It could have been that they wanted to trade UP to get their CB, but didn't have to.  Or missed out on their guy CJ Henderson and didn't want to miss out on the their next guy.

 

Unless you know the actual deal, you can't say that you would have made it.  

 

And I'd rather this team in this situation have more picks to fix more problems than just one.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

All we heard during Howie's presser tonight was speed, speed, speed.  He referred to the "other option" going much earlier.

I can easily fathom Reagor being slightly ahead of Jeudy and Lamb for that reason.

I really don’t see how you could. 

3 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I fundamentally disagree with that price to move up for a non-QB.

The fun thing about the draft is we get to see who is right and that person gets bragging rights. If Lamb sucks and Reagor dominates, I'm more than happy to eat all the crow in the world over it.

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I think the Eagles did the right thing. Kenneth Murray would have been the safest pick but being safe (At maybe the least valued position) doesn’t get you Super Bowls. 

I’m going to predict that the Eagles move up in round 2 for another WR. Probably give up a 4th round pick. My shortlist 

1. Hamler

2. Pittman jr. 

3. Higgins 

4. Lynn Bowden (think he’s a round 3 pick) 

How could a LB who didn’t show he could cover in a large sample size be a safe pick in round 1?

7 minutes ago, FTheCowboys said:

Absolutely. I wouldn't have thought twice about it. People here were cool doing that before the draft for Ruggs because no one thought Lamb would be available. I'd have done it for Lamb in a second.

Some people.  Not everyone.

Have you seen our history drafting WRs?  I don't care if Reagor was #2 on our board.  Look at some of the guys that were low to off our board last year.

Hell...I don't care if he was last on our board and we hit the wrong button.  Maybe that's even better.

I’m sorry... I know it’s highlights and he had some drops and some questionable blocking effort. But I don’t see how you can watch this and not see everything you want to see in a WR. It’s littered with explosion. More "go up and get it” catches over defenders than any other WR in this draft. Huge vertical, concentration and "my ball” mentality on contested catches, and at about 6:45 you see a couple Desean clone plays. One burning on a deep post like that one against Wash, and a punt return almost identical to the meadowlands miracle, minus the drop. The kid isn’t just explosive and fast, he plays big. I couldn’t be happier with the pick. Most complete WR in the draft. My concerns aren’t his hands. It’s his attitude. I didn’t live his interviews and I don’t love the blocking effort. But I love the skills he shows. Not as fast as Ruggs, not the route runner Jeudy is, and not as big as Lamb. But is more complete than any of them. If I’m wrong, I’ll devour crow. I’ll never pound the table so hard for a WR again. But I don’t think I’m wrong. I think he’ll complement Wentz and Doug perfectly. I may not even whine at bubble screens anymore. 😂

1 minute ago, FTheCowboys said:

The fun thing about the draft is we get to see who is right and that person gets bragging rights. If Lamb sucks and Reagor dominates, I'm more than happy to eat all the crow in the world over it.

Not really.  You also have to include the contribution from the round 2 pick that we still have.

🤐I would have drafted Reagor at 21 if Lamb were still on the board...

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

The general consensus in here was people would not have traded 53 or a future first for any of the top 3, let alone moving up just 5 picks in the middle of the first 

Tons of posters in here were pleading with Howie to trade up tonight as the draft went on, starting at about pick 11-13ish. Go back and look.

How did people think the Eagles were gonna move up without giving that 53rd pick? I can't think anyone here assumed our late 3rd rounder would have done it.