6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We don’t know 100 percent, but we can infer that it would have cost 53. I’m fine with them not pulling the trigger. 

No, we really can't.  We can infer it would have cost at least 53.  Like I said, Atlanta might have put a very high price on that pick because they really didn't want to lose their CB target.  Dallas was next and Dallas had just lost a CB in FA.  So, we don't know.  All we do know is that Howie said the price was too high. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Some people.  Not everyone.

Seems like there was WAY more talk about trading back than up. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I really don’t see how you could. 

I just did.  🙂

1 thing to keep in mind is who knows if atlanta wanted to even move that pick. We may have called and said how’s 21/53...they thought about it and said "no thanks”

Howie is not going to flat out say we were denied, he would say "price was too high”

we may not know what happened for a little while. 

8 minutes ago, FTheCowboys said:

If I'm wrong tell me I'm wrong, but it just feels like people are really bummed about Lamb going to Dallas and are trying to convince themselves to like how things turned out because it's too painful to admit that Dallas, who already has a stud at WR, stole the best WR in this draft class from us. It's easier to tell yourself that it was never going to happen than live with that regret.

I hate to preface every pick with "we'll see how things play out" because that much is always obvious, but just sitting here tonight on April 24th, what Howie Roseman did tonight is completely and totally indefensible. On so many levels.

And I like Reagor, but I adore Lamb.

You are wrong.  I couldn't give two craps about Dallas drafting Lamb.  Lamb wasn't a guy I was really high on.  So... good for Jerrah.  I'm not impressed.

 

If you don't believe me... go back to the old EMB.  Find my old posts.  I'm on record as saying that 3 WRs taken after the top 3 would out produce the top 3 taken in this draft.  

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Have you seen our history drafting WRs?  I don't care if Reagor was #2 on our board.  Look at some of the guys that were low to off our board last year.

Hell...I don't care if he was last on our board and we hit the wrong button.  Maybe that's even better.

They've traditionally done well in the first round with their receiver picks. Outside of that, it's been garbage. But they had hits with DeSean, Maclin, and even Agholor in 2017 who they don't win a Super Bowl without. After 2017, I think Agholor was schematically misused in this offense. 

After what happened last year at WR I am just glad to have another WR on this team.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Not really.  You also have to include the contribution from the round 2 pick that we still have.

Completely fair, of course. I'll eat all the crow in the world if Reagor is a stud and they nail the 2nd round pick and Lamb isn't as good I projected.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

No, we really can't.  We can infer it would have cost at least 53.  Like I said, Atlanta might have put a very high price on that pick because they really didn't want to lose their CB target.  Dallas was next and Dallas had just lost a CB in FA.  So, we don't know.  All we do know is that Howie said the price was too high. 

53 was already above and beyond. I seriously doubt they asked for more. 

6 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

That's what it all comes down to! The Eagles had zero leverage sitting where they were at 21! The asking might normally had been a 3rd, but I don't think #103 would get it done. I am sure the asking price the was the 2nd. The Eagles still have holes so losing that 2nd was a big deal. They were just stuck with no easy way out. I am happy they got a player they researched and liked.

The Eagles should now be able to stretch the field horizontally and vertically especially with a healthy Jackson. Maybe it takes some pressure off of JJAW to develop. I still have hope for him.

If the Eagles take another WR tomorrow they’re essentially telling JJAW that he sucks.
 

That’s like your company hiring not one, but two new people that have the same or a very similar role that you do shortly after they hire you. On top of that they had to bring in some temporary help because you clearly weren’t ready to execute your role. 
 

To me, that looks like added pressure. If you feel less pressure, time to find a new job. 

Darius Slay at pick 85 tomorrow and I’m happy.

17 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Zierlein had the Eagles taking Reagor @ 21 in his last mock.  I would suspect he had some insight.

In fairness so did i. To me it came down to Jefferson or reagor if both were available. Reagor makes more sense if the eagles believed he had better speed and a better outside wr than Jefferson. I was fine with either. However this came down to really what we’ve discussed at nauseam for weeks. If the Eagles thought Jefferson was as good or better on the outside than any of the other wide receivers and tier 2 then I think they would’ve went with Jefferson. I think this pic tells you the Eagles believe reagor is better on the outside then Jefferson hence why he kept talking about fit

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

If the Eagles take another WR tomorrow they’re essentially telling JJAW that he sucks.
 

That’s like your company hiring not one, but two new people that have the same or a very similar role that you do shortly after they hire you. On top of that they had to bring in some temporary help because you clearly weren’t ready to execute your role. 
 

To me, that looks like added pressure. If you feel less pressure, time to find a new job. 

Depends on the WR. If it’s Pittman or Higgins, yeah. If it’s Hamler or Shenault, nah. 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

You are wrong.  I couldn't give two craps about Dallas drafting Lamb.  Lamb wasn't a guy I was really high on.  So... good for Jerrah.  I'm not impressed.

He sure looks like he could be a great WR but if the Eagles had the current set of WRs and they drafted Lamb I wouldn't be happy about given other needs (like secondary....a need for both teams)

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

In fairness so did i. To me it came down to Jefferson or reagor if both were available. Reagor makes more sense if the eagles believed he had better speed and a better outside wr than Jefferson. I was fine with either. However this came down to really what we’ve discuses at nauseam for weeks. If the Eagles thought Jefferson was as good or better on the outside than any of the other wide receivers and tier 2 then I think they would’ve went with Jefferson. I think this pic tells you the Eagles believe reagor is better on the outside then Jefferson hence why he kept talking about fit

Yup. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No, we really can't.  We can infer it would have cost at least 53.  Like I said, Atlanta might have put a very high price on that pick because they really didn't want to lose their CB target.  Dallas was next and Dallas had just lost a CB in FA.  So, we don't know.  All we do know is that Howie said the price was too high. 

Exactly, why would the falcons trade and possibly miss on a corner they wanted so another team can get a receiver they don't need. Who is to say the eagles even wanted lamb at all? There is so many moving parts to this to just narrow it down to just eagles not willing to do what it takes to get lamb

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No, we really can't.  We can infer it would have cost at least 53.  Like I said, Atlanta might have put a very high price on that pick because they really didn't want to lose their CB target.  Dallas was next and Dallas had just lost a CB in FA.  So, we don't know.  All we do know is that Howie said the price was too high. 

I think with Atlanta also you could add on to that the fact that Eagles were needing a wide receiver and they likely didn’t want to see lamb go to Dallas if the Eagles truly loved lamb  That also would help them jack the price up. 

 

7 minutes ago, FTheCowboys said:

Of course not, but I think the 2nd rounder is a logical assumption, no? I've never heard moving up 5 spots into the mid teens ever costing more than a 2nd rounder. Has that ever happened? Ever?

Hey, if it comes out it cost way more than that, I'll eat crow. Post the report and tag me in it and I'll apologize.

Probably not, because the team asking for that really doesn't want to make the trade.  And the team looking to trade up says 'No thanks' and so the trade doesn't happen.

 

But, yes, there have been trades where teams give up WAY more than the 'value'.  Washington way overpaid to move up to get RGIII.  They were willing to do it, so they did.  Years and years ago, the Falcons gave up way more than 'value' to move to a position to grab Michael Vick. They were willing to pay that price.  The Eagles didn't want to pay whatever the Falcons asked for... and we don't know what they asked for.  Sure, you can assume whatever you want.  But that won't make it true.

The debate of quality vs quality (higher) picks will never be answered.  It depends on the situation.  

Tons of players, ranging from indispensable to HOF, have been late round picks.  You can't bypass those picks routinely.  But you also need to be aware of the long odds those picks face when you have the opportunity to trade them for something.

My opinion...if you think you have a chance to secure a generational talent at QB/LT/WR/DE, then all bets are off.  Short of that, trading future 1st, future 2nd, or current 2nd round picks should be off the table.

If you want to maximize the chance of getting a player you really, really covet...then there should be no hesitation to use picks in rounds  3-7 as ammunition.  You don't want to draft 3 guys per year, every year.  But if you have a chance in round 2 to grab a guy with a round 1 grade at a position of need...pony up our damn 4th round picks.

There’s too many would’ve, could’ve, should’ve being thrown around. We don’t know. Only thing we can do is evaluate the guy we did draft, and he fits a need in a big way. 

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The general consensus in here was people would not have traded 53 or a future first for any of the top 3, let alone moving up just 5 picks in the middle of the first 

Some people.

 

i actually like the Reagor pick. 21 was a little high but if Howie feels like we got our guy then ok. just have to hope he actually comes thru & develops & dont fold like JJ did last season. also i would really like to double up & get Higgins or Mims round 2. im not holding my breath on JJ doing much for us this next season. 

 

really sucked to see Ceedee go to the Cowboys. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

 

See, everyone says that crap.  And we were trying to trade up to #11 for Reagor.

And the guy we were going to draft at #21 if Reagor was off the board is whomever we draft at #53.