2 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

What's the guarantee the Eagles are going WR tomorrow? There are other positions to fill. Competition is always good, so it doesn't necessarily send any message to JJAW other than he has to come out ready to play and earn a spot. The offense was dysfunctional last year, partly due to massive injuries. JJAW found himself in a tough position as a rookie. It does make him a bust right away.

There’s no guarantee WR is taken but if I had to guess, that’s the position I’d guess. Much of the reason is because there’s still a lot of good players projected as 2nd rounders still available but also because it’s still a need for the Eagles. 
 

It’s hard to call a rookie a bust... unless said rookie loses reps to practice squad players and 4th string tight ends. 

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I go to sleep happy tonight, but I have no idea how we'd beat the Chiefs in a SB matchup next year.  We still need work.

Currently, we wouldn’t, on paper. But this is a step in the right direction. On paper, we probably won’t be a top contender. But you gotta start somewhere. We finally have a top CB. We now have an outside offensive weapon. We need more. Another quality WR, a quality LB, a S. Pass rush. But I’m most interested in getting Wentz help he can build confidence with. Everything else is secondary. No pun intended 

3 minutes ago, FTheCowboys said:

I don't really look at it as how far you move up, it's who you're getting. If the Eagles moved up to 12 or 13 for Lamb, by that logic it would have been worth it because they moved up farther. But the end result would have been the same. They get CeeDee Lamb. Whether they move up one spot or 10 spots, you aren't "moving to 16" you are paying the price to get a player. A small difference that means a lot.

Respectfully, I see it as both. Paying a premium for a small move up regardless of the player is a bad move. If I were to blame Howie for anything it’s for telegraphing our obvious need at WR and giving other teams instant leverage. 

3 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I'm calling BS.  No way Reid would think Helaire is better.  Reid loved Westbrook and called him the most complete back he ever coached.

I can somewhat believe it. Helaire In college did it in the best conference in America and did it on the biggest stage and played phenomenal. I love Brian Westbrook but Westbrook also came from a lesser division and had a bunch of knee issues

I hope they go WR in round 2. If Jalen Reagor is the best WR addition you make in this offseason that just isn't good enough as far as I'm concerned. Mims and Reagor or Higgins and Reagor softens the blow just a tiny bit, but I'll lament Lamb forever, he was my guy. Watched him every Saturday.  🤮🤧😭😩

Just now, ManuManu said:

Whoa, AF is talking about speed! Who stole his username with the new board? Is this E45’s clone account?

Context, baby, it's still me!

Eagles have two of the best receiving TEs in the NFL, and maybe the best receiving RB.

So balance requires speed at WR, Reagor may not even start this year if Djax is healthy, but you need an insurance policy.

Either way, we can now stretch the field vertically, and I think our TEs will totally dominate this season when safeties can't double them  - you want to play LB against us this year?

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Valuable? Not pick 21 valuable. 

Probably not. More valuable than Barnett has been at pick 14 I’d assume. Doesn’t matter I’m done discussing a LB who isn’t on our team. 

5 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

But he went to the Cowboys!!!!

It's' now an emotional analysis.

Yep. Multiplied by 5 because Cowboys 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I actually like the reagor pick. Frankly I just hate Dallas getting good players for Dak. The regular pic was a far better pic for me than the JJaw one last year. I hated that pick last year and I still hate it. I wanted one thornhill or a safety at that pick and I’m still bitter about it

This is what happens all the time.  When you make the playoffs and Dallas doesn't, they select before the Eagles.  And every year folks freak out about who they get.  And you know what... every year, Dallas still SUCKS!  New Coach, QB not under contract, but lots of money tied up in a RB that is due to decline rapidly now that his salary cap number is skyrocketing.  

7 minutes ago, Double said:

As others have stated, Lamb going to that one place sorta sucks. But let’s be honest - Dallas neglected other glaring needs to pick him. I truly don’t believe adding him to that offense is going to turn them into some type of juggernaut. That team begin to slowly cripple themselves the moment they poured money into Zeke.

At the bare minimum, until 53 is chosen, which most believe is the bare minimum it would have cost to move up for Lamb, it’s impossible to feel very much about it.

21/53 is +170 on the draft value chart vs 16. If the Falcons had any real interest in trading down, that easily would have gotten it done. I doubt they asked for more than what already was a huge win value-wise. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Respectfully, I see it as both. Paying a premium for a small move up regardless of the player is a bad move. If I were to blame Howie for anything it’s for telegraphing our obvious need at WR and giving other teams instant leverage. 

I’d add previous draft picks Not living up to expectations and trade of picks also hurt some of the extra ammo we could’ve had to move up. 

I'm happy with the pick, I was bishing for speed all season long last year and now we have it. If I'm wrong, so be it. But I think wentz is going to go off with this guy

5 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I'm calling BS.  No way Reid would think Helaire is better.  Reid loved Westbrook and called him the most complete back he ever coached.

Maybe better coming out of college. Westbrook was a rotational guy and punt returner his rookie year. Helaire will start 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Respectfully, I see it as both. Paying a premium for a small move up regardless of the player is a bad move. If I were to blame Howie for anything it’s for telegraphing our obvious need at WR and giving other teams instant leverage. 

We can agree to disagree, that's fine. I just see it as you buying the player. Hypothetically if they bought Lamb and he's a DeAndre Hopkins 2.0 like people think he could be, no one would care or remember where they moved to get him and what the compensation was. Now, if they did and he sucked, of course. But that's the risk with any pick. The Eagles obviously didn't think he was good enough to warrant it. And the great thing about sports is executives are always held accountable. We'll find out in due time what the right move was.

4 minutes ago, Double said:

As others have stated, Lamb going to that one place sorta sucks. But let’s be honest - Dallas neglected other glaring needs to pick him. I truly don’t believe adding him to that offense is going to turn them into some type of juggernaut. That team begin to slowly cripple themselves the moment they poured money into Zeke.

At the bare minimum, until 53 is chosen, which most believe is the bare minimum it would have cost to move up for Lamb, it’s impossible to feel very much about it.

If they hadn’t re-upped Cooper, it would make sense. They will be tougher to defend, for sure. But it’s almost overkill at the position when they’re gonna struggle to re-sign lots of defensive players soon, especially once they sign Dak

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Reagor may not be as good as Jefferson, time will tell, but he's a better fit for the Eagles.

You're talking an offense with Sanders, Jeffrey, Ward, Ertz and Goedert, none of which are going to get deep (Sanders has speed, but wheel routes take a while to develop).

Adding an explosive WR as insurance for Djax means the Eagles will have at least one WR who forces safeties to play honest, opens the middle for the TEs and gives the other WRs room to get open. That was a big problem last year when Djax got hurt, you could cheat your safeties up knowing no one ran faster than a 4.55, and no one had explosive quickness.

Howie is reloading, not rebuilding.

I've got no problem with Reagor over Jefferson.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

This is what happens all the time.  When you make the playoffs and Dallas doesn't, they select before the Eagles.  And every year folks freak out about who they get.  And you know what... every year, Dallas still SUCKS!  New Coach, QB not under contract, but lots of money tied up in a RB that is due to decline rapidly now that his salary cap number is skyrocketing.  

You left out the declining talent on defense.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Context, baby, it's still me!

Eagles have two of the best receiving TEs in the NFL, and maybe the best receiving RB.

So balance requires speed at WR, Reagor may not even start this year if Djax is healthy, but you need an insurance policy.

Either way, we can now stretch the field vertically, and I think our TEs will totally dominate this season when safeties can't double them  - you want to play LB against us this year?

And good luck in single-high. 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Respectfully, I see it as both. Paying a premium for a small move up regardless of the player is a bad move. If I were to blame Howie for anything it’s for telegraphing our obvious need at WR and giving other teams instant leverage. 

I mean it's not like it was some huge secret, if we can see how bad we were at WR you have to assume other teams knew.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

This is what happens all the time.  When you make the playoffs and Dallas doesn't, they select before the Eagles.  And every year folks freak out about who they get.  And you know what... every year, Dallas still SUCKS!  New Coach, QB not under contract, but lots of money tied up in a RB that is due to decline rapidly now that his salary cap number is skyrocketing.  

True. However i still think dallas with McCarthy is better than with Garrett. Also they have won the division 3 out of the last 5 years and then imploded in the playoffs those years. Like the redskind and giants Suck. I wouldn’t say they suck. Just not elite. 

I think the Chiefs might make a run at 16-0 next year.

7 minutes ago, blindside said:

I understand that. I think his floor is high. Higher than Reagor. But based on fit.. if he’s just a slot guy, he doesn’t address our need as well and I think Reagor has more tools. I think if Alshon was healthy and in good standing with the team, Jefferson would make more sense. But we need someone who can definitely play outside. 

Agreed.  I think Jefferson can (and will) play on the outside in Minny as well as the slot.   But, its a moot point now.   

 

Point is... I was never in on trading up for those top 3 guys or any of those WRs.  This team needs too much.

Random takeaway but tonight really made me appreciate the Hargrave signing. Blow Dak up before he even has time to see his WR corps.

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

21/53 is +170 on the draft value chart vs 16. If the Falcons has any real interest in trading down, that easily would have gotten it done. I doubt they asked for more than what already was a huge win value-wise. 

Yeah if they were interested it seems like it could have gotten the job done. As much as I would have loved to see Lamb on this team I need to see who 53 is before feeling much of anything about that decision. My gut tells me I rather have the two guys versus Lamb, but we’ll see.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I think the Chiefs might make a run at 16-0 next year.

I’m guessing there’s a 12-14 game season, so that could make it even more likely. 

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Whoa, AF is talking about speed! Who stole his username with the new board? Is this E45’s clone account?

It's a new board.  Crazy!