4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

In fairness reagor floor is lower than jefferson but I’d argue the ceiling is higher than jefferson if he reaches it. I rather take the risk if i believe he can reach it then go safe. 

Lamb it wasn’t going to happen cause the price tag was going to be way too much and Atlanta i don’t think wanted to risk the raiders taking Terrell unless they were severely overpaid and even then i don’t know. I think mayock would go Aj Terrell at 19. I think he settled for the OSU kid. 

i also disagree his positives are all projections. He has legitimate speed and he’s a good returner. Those are positives that on tape prove out. You can see it on tape. He ran a 4.47 at 206. He’s down to 195 and then ran a 4.3. Jefferson ran a 4.43 but on tape it’s not close to that. The projection of what he can be is normal with every player. Just saying Dwayne Jarrett, Charles Rogers and Mike Williams also dominated in college. all three didn’t do anything at the nfl level. So really not saying lamb is going to be that but just cause he dominated in a bad defensive conference doesn’t mean nfl Success or that his projection is just easier. 

Also, it's very easy to imagine Atlanta had us over a barrel.  They knew we were trying to get in front of a division rival for Lamb. 

Maybe their ask was ridiculous.

17 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

Btw, Caplan (who loves to say Btw) in that video e-a-g-l-e-s posted suggested the Eagles getting Hammler in the 2nd saying we could try and replicate KC's offense. 

Heh.  Wouldn't that be interesting....

They’d have a ton of speed which would be a sight for sore eyes.  However they’d really have no height for the red zone at WR besides JJAW who let’s face it not good last year and no camps this year might not be what we think. 

1 minute ago, Green Dog said:

Also, it's very easy to imagine Atlanta had us over a barrel.  They knew we were trying to get in front of a division rival for Lamb. 

Maybe their ask was ridiculous.

Yeah I made that same argument earlier. Atlanta I don’t think wanted to lose Terrell to the Raiders and Mike mayock has said in the past he loves Clemson players (Really big time program players) because they’re winners and they played in big games so I think he would take him.

But besides that Atlanta is not dumb. They know we need a wide receiver, lamb is the best wr left on the board, Dallas isn’t going to trade with the Eagles and they’re likely to take lamb if the Eagles don’t move up. So besides not wanting to move out to lose their guy they also have you over the barrel about the Dallas factor and you needing to move ahead of them

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

In fairness reagor floor is lower than jefferson but I’d argue the ceiling is higher than jefferson if he reaches it. I rather take the risk if i believe he can reach it then go safe. 

Lamb it wasn’t going to happen cause the price tag was going to be way too much and Atlanta i don’t think wanted to risk the raiders taking Terrell unless they were severely overpaid and even then i don’t know. I think mayock would go Aj Terrell at 19. I think he settled for the OSU kid. 

i also disagree his positives are all projections. He has legitimate speed and he’s a good returner. Those are positives that on tape prove out. You can see it on tape. He ran a 4.47 at 206. He’s down to 195 and then ran a 4.3. Jefferson ran a 4.43 but on tape it’s not close to that. The projection of what he can be is normal with every player. Just saying Dwayne Jarrett, Charles Rogers and Mike Williams also dominated in college. all three didn’t do anything at the nfl level. So really not saying lamb is going to be that but just cause he dominated in a bad defensive conference doesn’t mean nfl Success or that his projection is just easier. 

You have to admit the lack of production is worrisome. It has to at least be acknowledged as a concern. It may not end up being a big deal, but it has to be acknowledged. Even with playing with a poor QB, it's still scary. In comparison to Lamb and Jefferson it isn't close, and I've hyped up Reagor for days now. On tape he jumps out, he truly does. But I can't ignore the lack of production either. Just heard a comparison. Jefferson vs Oklahoma: 14 catches 226 yards, 4 TDs. Reagor vs Oklahoma: 1 catch 8 yards. Factor in everything you want and it's a worry.

The Eagles have not earned the benefit of the doubt with their WR history for me to trust them on this. If we were the Steelers, I'd be more optimistic.

9 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

Also, it's very easy to imagine Atlanta had us over a barrel.  They knew we were trying to get in front of a division rival for Lamb. 

Maybe their ask was ridiculous.

That's still their fault for going into the draft that desperate. This was the worry for weeks. Either way, it's a bad look for the Eagles. We had the worst receiving corps in the NFL and our biggest add of offseason was Jalen Reagor.

If you were told this back in January would anyone have been cool with that? We can break down fault, blame, how much how little a billion different ways, but it doesn't change the fact that it Fing sucks they either didn't or couldn't do better. How do you think Wentz feels seeing Hopkins go to Arizona and Lamb going to Dallas?

Just double up on WR in round 2 or I'm gonna lose my damn mind. I doubt it happens though. They'll probably pass on Hamler or Higgins for the 10th rated DE or something.

11 minutes ago, FTheCowboys said:

You have to admit the lack of production is worrisome. It has to at least be acknowledged as a concern. It may not end up being a big deal, but it has to be acknowledged. Even with playing with a poor QB, it's still scary. In comparison to Lamb and Jefferson it isn't close, and I've hyped up Reagor for days now. On tape he jumps out, he truly does. But I can't ignore the lack of production either. Just heard a comparison. Jefferson vs Oklahoma: 14 catches 226 yards, 4 TDs. Reagor vs Oklahoma: 1 catch 8 yards. Factor in everything you want and it's a worry.

The Eagles have not earned the benefit of the doubt with their WR history for me to trust them on this. If we were the Steelers, I'd be more optimistic.

His production in 2018 was pretty good when he had a good QB. He had 72 receptions 1061 yards and 9 tds. That’s better than what jefferson had done prior to 2019. Frankly if you put reagor in LSU’s offense his numbers likely jump as well.
 

Literally almost any wide receiver that’s at Oklahoma puts up great productive stats because Oklahoma is so clearly head and shoulders above the rest of that conference almost all the wide receivers have ridiculous numbers.  Also lamb has never have a bad quarterback either. He’s played with Murray, baker and hurts. that immensely helps. 2 of them won Heismans and another won a natty 

it’s not a coincidence when burrow wasn’t as good in 2018 Jefferson’s stats also suffered  as well as weren’t as good on the outside when reagor’s were better when having a comparable QB in 2018 

i think saying his QB was bad is a gross understatement. His QB was god awful. Go look at the TCU players they are going to have drafted. That team should have been way better with the talent they have. They were not cause they had one of the worst QBs in college football in a big 5 conference 

14 minutes ago, BirdGang45 said:

 

Great find.  These guys are very good.

Freak, Assassin, Moss'd an NFL CB.

Anyone who hasn't seen this guy play should def watch this.  You'll see Cosell and Duffy highlighting the same things in the next 48 hours.

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They’d have a ton of speed which would be a sight for sore eyes.  However they’d really have no height for the red zone at WR besides JJAW who let’s face it not good last year and no camps this year might not be what we think. 

Who does KC have for height in the rz?

5 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

Great find.  These guys are very good.

Freak, Assassin, Moss'd an NFL CB.

Anyone who hasn't seen this guy play should def watch this.  You'll see Cosell and Duffy highlighting the same things in the next 48 hours.

Who does KC have for height in the rz?

Robinson and Watkins have height. They are 6’2. Reagor, desean and hamler would all be 5’11 or under 

Did you see Reagor going up for those jump balls in the ez?

4 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

Did you see Reagor going up for those jump balls in the ez?

I did. It’s one thing to do in college. Different to do in the nfl against better competition. I saw JJAW do the same thing in college in the red zone with jump balls and he had size. Got to the pros didn’t And couldnt. I still think you need a WR that has good speed with some size. I don’t think you want every one of your top 3 receivers being 5’11 or smaller. 

Love the potential, but I see a lot out there about concentration drops, mostly on bubble screens. You know, the play Doug loved to bring out for Ags/Sproles to outsmart everyone on 3rd and short, but usually ended up killing an important drive? No, Doug! Not again!
 

Kidding aside, he’ll probably be a nice Djax replacement. Also, I was scared Reagor would make it to Dallas with the FaceTime interview floating around the last few days with Jerry gushing like a school girl talking to the kid. A lot of Dallas media was pumping the kid and his fit there. Had Lamb not been drafted where he was we’d all be fine, but now I’m just preaching to the choir....

@e-a-g-l-e-s eagles!, btw, Demarcus Robinson's vert was 34.5  Sammy Watkins 34.0

Reagor 42

21 second mark:

 

14 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

@e-a-g-l-e-s eagles!, btw, Demarcus Robinson's vert was 34.5  Sammy Watkins 34.0

Reagor 42

So they have 3 inches on him to begin with. Again You have three 5’11 or smaller wide receivers. you don’t want that many small of WRs in the red zone. your point was the chiefs don’t have size. Yes they do. They have 2 WRs at 6’2 for the red zone. 

Also teams know due to his vertical in the red zone how do you think theyll defend him knowing he’s the only receiver that can go up and get it even though he’s 5’11? You either need another guy with a great vertical or size inside he red zone to go up and get it. Currently you have one at WR cause Jeffery is hurt and JJAW stinks. There’s a reason the eagles drafted JJAW and Jeffery’s size was nice inside the red zone for the eagles. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So they have 3 inches on him to begin with. Again You have three 5’11 or smaller wide receivers. you don’t want that many small of WRs in the red zone. your point was the chiefs don’t have size. Yes they do. They have 2 WRs at 6’2 for the red zone. 

Also teams know due to his vertical in the red zone how do you think theyll defend him knowing he’s the only receiver that can go up and get it even though he’s 5’11? You either need another guy with a great vertical or size inside he red zone to go up and get it. Currently you have one at WR cause Jeffery is hurt and JJAW stinks. 

Not worried about it at all.  When you can line up Sanders, Scott, Jackson, Reagor in the red zone, the TE's are your size.  Alshon when he plays is your size.  But you can do so much more with playcalling, motion, bootlegs, etc.

Red Zone is going to be fun this year.  And then what if we add a guy like Fournette?

 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So they have 3 inches on him to begin with. Again You have three 5’11 or smaller wide receivers. you don’t want that many small of WRs in the red zone. your point was the chiefs don’t have size. Yes they do. They have 2 WRs at 6’2 for the red zone. 

Also teams know due to his vertical in the red zone how do you think theyll defend him knowing he’s the only receiver that can go up and get it even though he’s 5’11? You either need another guy with a great vertical or size inside he red zone to go up and get it. Currently you have one at WR cause Jeffery is hurt and JJAW stinks. There’s a reason the eagles drafted JJAW and Jeffery’s size was nice inside the red zone for the eagles. 

We have Ertz, Goedert, Jeffrey when he returns, JJAW has size even if he stinks. Last year we were literally waxing lyrical about the size this offense has, now we are saying we have drafted a guy who's too small?

1 minute ago, Green Dog said:

Not worried about it at all.  When you can line up Sanders, Scott, Jackson, Reagor in the red zone, the TE's are your size.  Alshon when he plays is your size.  But you can do so much more with playcalling, motion, bootlegs, etc.

Red Zone is going to be fun this year.  And then what if we add a guy like Fournette?

 

Alshon is playing now? There’s been reports they don’t want him on the team and reports from blindside on this board from his uncle says he’s out for the year. I’m not relying on alshon. That’s like relying on Desean for 16 games. 

you can however I’d argue the eagles had a ton of success in 2017 utilizing Jeffery’s ability to go up at his size and his vertical and get it. I much rather have someone like Higgins or shenault than hamler for red zone purposes  both have fine speed and size to beat you in the red zone  

Do the eagles Have draft picks to just throw away on a oft-injured running back and one who’s likely not going to be happy being second fiddle behind sanders? Doubtful. 
 

 

 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

We have Ertz, Goedert, Jeffrey when he returns, JJAW has size even if he stinks. Last year we were literally waxing lyrical about the size this offense has, now we are saying we have drafted a guy who's too small?

Why do people suddenly believe Jeffery is going to play here next year? Are we believing the guy who was a pain in the a** now dealing with a major foot injury is just automatically going to play? Really? He likely starts the season on pup and there’s a chance he just IR him to not deal with him

no one is saying reagor is to small. The point was you want to just run out to desean Jackson, reagor and then draft hamler send them out in red zone and pretend like the size wouldn’t make a difference in the red zone. It definitely makes a difference in the red zone speed gets neutralize when the field gets smaller. So you want bigger receivers inside the red zone to go up and get it. I can find receivers with nice speed and have size. I don’t need to have 3 wide receicers two of which are 5’8 and 5’10 who aren’t big red zone targets and not their speciality. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Why do people suddenly believe Jeffery is going to play here next year? Are we believing the guy who was a pain in the a** now dealing with a major foot injury is going to play? Really? 
 

no one is saying reagor is to small. The point was you want to just run out to desean Jackson, reagor and then draft hamler send them out in red zone and pretend like the size wouldn’t make a difference in the red zone. It definitely makes a difference in the red zone speed gets neutralize when the field gets smaller. So you want bigger receivers inside the red zone to go up and get it. I can find receivers with nice speed and have size. I don’t need to have 3 wide receicers two of which are 5’8 and 5’10 who aren’t big red zone targets.  

I think Jeffrey will be here because nobody is going to trade for him and I am not sure Howie takes the cap hit on cutting him. That said he has left plenty of cap room to do so if he wanted. But cutting Jeffrey really doesn't help us much does it? And I say that as someone who really wanted Jeffrey gone.

We still need a X receiver right? Do you really think they draft another? And do you really think whoever they draft they can use from early on?

Oh I agree there's no way I go near Hamler now that we have Reagor.

I bet we have significantly less RZ opps compared to last year and 15 games of the 4.5 speed weapons we lined up.

And Wentz equals his 2017 season in deep ball TDs.  At minimum.

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think Jeffrey will be here because nobody is going to trade for him and I am not sure Howie takes the cap hit on cutting him. That said he has left plenty of cap room to do so if he wanted. But cutting Jeffrey really doesn't help us much does it? And I say that as someone who really wanted Jeffrey gone.

We still need a X receiver right? Do you really think they draft another? And do you really think whoever they draft they can use from early on?

Oh I agree there's no way I go near Hamler now that we have Reagor.

Well the whole discussion was about getting hamler and i made the point we need a receiver with size to replace jeffery and JJAW hasn’t shown anything. We don’t need another smaller WR. While it’d be awesome to have that much speed it hurts you when you get in the red zone. And the argument was the chiefs don’t have size at WR. They do and they use robinson and Watkins inside the red zone for that reason. 

I don’t think they’re going to cut them but I don’t think he even plays this year. There’s a legitimate chance he starts to the league year on PUP. And by week seven Eagles might just say screw it we’re not taking you off we’re just gonna IR you
 

 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Why do people suddenly believe Jeffery is going to play here next year? Are we believing the guy who was a pain in the a** now dealing with a major foot injury is going to play? Really? 
 

no one is saying reagor is to small. The point was you want to just run out to desean Jackson, reagor and then draft hamler send them out in red zone and pretend like the size wouldn’t make a difference in the red zone. It definitely makes a difference in the red zone speed gets neutralize when the field gets smaller. So you want bigger receivers inside the red zone to go up and get it. I can find receivers with nice speed and have size. I don’t need to have 3 wide receicers two of which are 5’8 and 5’10 who aren’t big red zone targets.  

Agreed. I remember watching Jackson/Maclin get the team down the field in a hurry and then  in the RZ we had to hope for Shady or the QB to do something crazy. We celebrated the JMatts and DGBs initially for the added "size” and dreams of fades being plucked out of the air with ease.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think they’re going to cut them but I don’t think he even plays this year. There’s a legitimate chance he starts to the league year on PUP. And by week seven Eagles might just say screw it we’re not taking you off we’re just gonna IR you

They might well do but that would be detrimental to the team just purely in terms of depth at WR wouldn't it? I mean do you see them drafting another 2 WRs? I am not sure they definitely even draft another 1.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Well the whole discussion was about getting hamler and i made the point we need a receiver with size to replace jeffery and JJAW hasn’t shown anything. We don’t need another smaller WR. While it’d be awesome to have that much speed it hurts you when you get in the red zone. And the argument was the chiefs don’t have size at WR. They do and they use robinson and Watkins inside the red zone for that reason. 

I don’t think they’re going to cut them but I don’t think he even plays this year. There’s a legitimate chance he starts to the league year on PUP. And by week seven Eagles might just say screw it we’re not taking you off we’re just gonna IR you
 

Or...  the virus causes the season to start waaaaay late, and Alshon is actually healthy in Nov/Dec, whatever...  And you saw DJack's latest ig pumping Jeffery up.  We have no idea what's going to happen by the time they are ready to start playing.

This is why I'm focusing on what picking Reagor means for the offense.  Think about the matchups we can force.  The lightening of the load on Desean.  Say we do manage to get Higgins tomorrow night?  I think our offense is going to evolve a bit the next time we see it.  We need to maybe forget some of what we last saw, with all the injuries, etc.