29 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

I bet we have significantly less RZ opps compared to last year and 15 games of the 4.5 speed weapons we lined up.

And Wentz equals his 2017 season in deep ball TDs.  At minimum.

The eagles still had a ton of red zone opportunities in 2017. And It was with agholor in the slot running a 4.4 and Torey Smith who ran a 4.4 on the outside. You’re still going to have to be effective in the red zone. In 2017 they were second at 64 percent. That’s even with the big plays they had plenty of red zone trips.

Good teams will begin to defend you for the big play and keep you in front of them. forcing you to have to be successful in the red zone. The chiefs were as effective in the red zone as they were with the big plays. 

2 minutes ago, Makilavelli said:

Agreed. I remember watching Jackson/Maclin get the team down the field in a hurry and then  in the RZ we had to hope for Shady or the QB to do something crazy. We celebrated the JMatts and DGBs initially for the added "size” and dreams of fades being plucked out of the air with ease.

Frankly Matthews and DBG just weren’t good at plucking it at its high point. It’s the one thing jeffery does at an elite level. 

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

They might well do but that would be detrimental to the team just purely in terms of depth at WR wouldn't it? I mean do you see them drafting another 2 WRs? I am not sure they definitely even draft another 1.

I see them taking another. I don’t think they are counting on jeffery playing. I think it’s foolish to just assume jeffery is even back. He had a major lis franc surgery and he was called out for being a diva in the locker room. There’s a chance the eagles rather not have him in the locker room then have him play 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I see them taking another. I don’t think they are counting on jeffery playing. I think it’s foolish to just assume jeffery is even back. He had a major lis franc surgery and he was called out for being a diva in the locker room. There’s a chance the eagles rather not have him in the locker room then have him play 

I don't disagree with you but right now he forms part of the WR numbers purely because we don't have a lot of choice... I mean really they have to get at least 1 more and if Jeffrey is to miss significant time then we probably need 2 more... 

5 hours ago, eagle45 said:

53...I want another WR.  

I would consider trading up in round 2 as well.

I only see Higgins 2nd round worthy for us. Get an X or slot in the 3rd and might have to trade up a little there if a run occurs. Who knows what we have in last years 2nd rounder and/or Alshon making it back. Who knows Dobbins, JTaylor or Akers might be there at our 2nd

I think the Birds like the idea of Hamler but Howie is itching for some OL/DBs/LB.  Take a guy with size and some position versatility as JJAW insurance and take a flier on a speedster in the 6th.

12 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

Or...  the virus causes the season to start waaaaay late, and Alshon is actually healthy in Nov/Dec, whatever...  And you saw DJack's latest ig pumping Jeffery up.  We have no idea what's going to happen by the time they are ready to start playing.

This is why I'm focusing on what picking Reagor means for the offense.  Think about the matchups we can force.  The lightening of the load on Desean.  Say we do manage to get Higgins tomorrow night?  I think our offense is going to evolve a bit the next time we see it.  We need to maybe forget some of what we last saw, with all the injuries, etc.

there is a chance eagles just don’t want jeffery in the locker room anymore and the injury is a good excuse to just rid themselves of his presence in the locker room. 

Frankly if they got Higgins it makes more sense and likely more credence to jeffery not being back. i think they are likely looking for Jeffery’s replacement if they draft another WR in this Draft. I actually think they want someone who is versatile that can play multiple WR positions (more in the mold of someone like Higgins, shenault or Bryan Edwards). I think JJAW was supposed to be that But not sure how much confidence they have in him when they play PS guys who weren’t on the team 2 weeks prior over him. 

4 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don't disagree with you but right now he forms part of the WR numbers purely because we don't have a lot of choice... I mean really they have to get at least 1 more and if Jeffrey is to miss significant time then we probably need 2 more... 

I don’t think they need three. If you draft one more you have desean, reagor, draft pick, JJAW and ward. I don’t think they are giving up completely on JJAW.  I wouldn’t be surprised they draft one and could also see a trade for a wide receiver on the cheap. They were rumored to be in on Goodwin earlier today. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think they need three. If you draft one more you have desean, reagor, draft pick, JJAW and ward. I don’t think they are giving up completely on JJAW.  I wouldn’t be surprised they draft one and could also see a trade for a wide receiver on the cheap. They were rumored to be in on Goodwin earlier today. 

Desean, Reagor, draft pick #2, JJAW and Ward. That gives us 5 options... When we know Desean will miss time? When we know that draft pick #2 likely needs some time to develop (plus Reagor too) and we have nobody to play opposite Desean?

6 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Desean, Reagor, draft pick #2, JJAW and Ward. That gives us 5 options... When we know Desean will miss time? When we know that draft pick #2 likely needs some time to develop (plus Reagor too) and we have nobody to play opposite Desean?

I think whoever they drafted is getting thrown into the fire. They eagles put themselves in that position. Reagor himself might need time but that goes out the window as the eagles didn’t sign or trade for a veteran during the free agency period (or haven’t done it yet). 

if you are making the argument for Jeffery he is isn’t reliable either. He’s missed many games as well. So you might once again be down jeffery. So are you going to carry 7 cause he might not be ready for the start of the season either  

frankly I think it’s why you heard rumors they were interested in Goodwin. If they trade for a veteran i think the writing is on the wall for jeffery. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

if you are making the argument for Jeffery he is isn’t reliable either. He’s missed many games as well. So you might once again be down jeffery. So are you going to carry 7 cause he might not be ready for the start of the season either  

frankly I think it’s why you heard rumors they were interested in Goodwin. If they trade for a veteran i think the writing is on the wall for jeffery. 

So I don't think Jeffrey is reliable but he's an option, he's depth for a number of games right? Now if we trade for a veteran like Goodwin then yeah the writing is on the wall for Jeffrey.

Personally I'd be happy with another draft pick PLUS a veteran.

12 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Desean, Reagor, draft pick #2, JJAW and Ward. That gives us 5 options... When we know Desean will miss time? When we know that draft pick #2 likely needs some time to develop (plus Reagor too) and we have nobody to play opposite Desean?

After making due with Ward and Scott last year, I feel like with that assembly we can still go far. Reagor and DJax could just as well light it up big time.

Nothing against Ward and Scott, I feel like they played so good last year that they are now a true part of this roster moving forward!

1 minute ago, Infam said:

After making due with Ward and Scott last year, I feel like with that assembly we can still go far. Reagor and DJax could just as well light it up big time.

Nothing against Ward and Scott, I feel like they played so good last year that they are now a true part of this roster moving forward!

Yeah I would agree with that. Ward and Scott will be here and they will play a part.

5 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

So I don't think Jeffrey is reliable but he's an option, he's depth for a number of games right? Now if we trade for a veteran like Goodwin then yeah the writing is on the wall for Jeffrey.

Personally I'd be happy with another draft pick PLUS a veteran.

i really don’t consider him an option. His foot injury, injury past and the off the field i can’t do it. To expect him to contribute is ignoring everything surrounding him. 

I think a veteran is coming. I just don’t think they were able to pull the trigger. They tried on cooks and lost out. They were rumored to be in on Goodwin. I still think they go WR again in the next 3 rounds. 

15 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

i really don’t consider him an option. His foot injury, injury past and the off the field i can’t do it. To expect him to contribute is ignoring everything surrounding him. 

I think a veteran is coming. I just don’t think they were able to pull the trigger. They tried on cooks and lost out. They were rumored to be in on Goodwin. I still think they go WR again in the next 3 rounds. 

Yeah I mean a veteran would certainly make sense. I've said before they've really backed themselves in to a corner with this draft given the desperate need at WR and not just to find 1 new WR.

I like the pick and depending who is left could see them taking a look at shenault. It takes a ton of pressure off Carson by giving him playmakers to surround the tight ends with and roll Scott and Sanders out of the backfield. Plus the new offensive coaches maybe they are building a new offense this year?

1 minute ago, tuffstuff07 said:

I like the pick and depending who is left could see them taking a look at shenault. It takes a ton of pressure off Carson by giving him playmakers to surround the tight ends with and roll Scott and Sanders out of the backfield. Plus the new offensive coaches maybe they are building a new offense this year?

Think that's pretty clear.

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah I mean a veteran would certainly make sense. I've said before they've really backed themselves in to a corner with this draft given the desperate need at WR and not just to find 1 new WR.

Frankly they kind of back themselves into the corner by also not drafting well at corner and WR. We’ve spent picks over the last 5 drafts prior to 2020 on jones, Douglas, maddox and only maddox is a major contributor. At wr drafted Matthews (2nd), huff (3rd), agholor (1st), hollins (4th), Gibson (5th), JJAW (2nd) and only JJAW is currently on the roster. 

those two positions also have hurt future draft capital due the drafting. Were forced to give up 3rd and 5th for slay, 3rd for darby and a 3rd for tate 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Frankly they kind of back themselves into the corner by also not drafting well at corner and WR. We’ve spent picks over the last 5 drafts prior to 2020 on jones, Douglas, maddox and only maddox is a major contributor. At wr drafted Matthews (2nd), huff (3rd), agholor (1st), hollins (4th), Gibson (5th), JJAW (2nd) and only JJAW is currently on the roster. 

those two positions also have hurt future draft capital due the drafting. Were forced to give up 3rd and 5th for slay, 3rd for darby and a 3rd for tate 

Yeah that is also very very true. I mean they haven't drafted well, they haven't developed players well and all of that needs to change otherwise this team is going to move further and further away from being legit contenders.

5 minutes ago, tuffstuff07 said:

I like the pick and depending who is left could see them taking a look at shenault. It takes a ton of pressure off Carson by giving him playmakers to surround the tight ends with and roll Scott and Sanders out of the backfield. Plus the new offensive coaches maybe they are building a new offense this year?

I think shenault Makes sense if you believe you can keep him healthy and like his versatility. He can line up at all three of the wide receiver positions. He did that at Colorado. He’s a bigger wide receiver and more physical which is made for the red zone. He has enough speed to beat you deep. Plus he can play running back at times. Colorado used him as a running back at times so you can also use him at times like teams did with ty Montgomery. Plus he gives you gadget plays like the wildcat and jet sweeps. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think shenault Makes sense if you believe you can keep him healthy and like his versatility. He can line up at all three of the wide receiver positions. He did that at Colorado. He’s a bigger wide receiver and more physical which is made for the red zone. He has enough speed to beat you deep. Plus he can play running back at times. Colorado used him as a running back at times so you can also use him at times like teams did with ty Montgomery. Plus he gives you gadget plays like the wildcat and jet sweeps. 

Gibson out of Memphis seems to be a similar mold albeit with a lot less experience... think the Birds have interest if he drops to the 4th?

5 minutes ago, ForestSpirit said:

Gibson out of Memphis seems to be a similar mold albeit with a lot less experience... think the Birds have interest if he drops to the 4th?

He’s a guy i like as well. I think he might be a guy they take at 103.  I don’t think it’s out of the question they take him there not thinking he’d last to 127. To me he gives you the WR threat as well as RB. He’s someone i think the eagles would love His versatility. 

6 hours ago, eagle45 said:

If Aiyuk went at 25, I have to imagine Reagor would be gone with a trade down.  

If you trade down and Reagor comes off the board...the 2020 offense could be shot.

yup

23 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He’s a guy i like as well. I think he might be a guy they take at 103.  I don’t think it’s out of the question they take him there not thinking he’d last to 127. To me he gives you the WR threat as well as RB. He’s someone i think the eagles would love His versatility. 

I guess my only issue is what does he do exceptionally well? I feel like we need to give Doug an actual X or an actual Y receiver. 

6 hours ago, PhillyMG said:

They didn't pass on Lamb.  They just didn't want to "sell the farm" to move up to get him....a decision that I agree with.

Exactly, while you don't want to see a good player go to a rival, it's not like he was sitting there at 21 and we passed. That wasn't our turn to pick.