6 minutes ago, John_C said:

I slept on it.  Could not believe they chose Reagor with Jefferson on the board.  It seems like an even worse decision this morning.  However, this is a team that just took JJAW over Metcalf.  I will expect whoever they take to be the bust of the draft as that is generally the case with their WR picks.

Reagor is small, drops a lot of passes, had a horrible catch rate at TCU and ran a 4.47 at the combine and had one of the worst 3-cone times.  Not sure how that equates to separation at the next level.  Allegedly his "play speed” is much faster.  Maybe that’s true.  

It just seems like another faulty decision, where the smart teams would just take the better overall prospect.  I see Jefferson as a cant miss starter, an 80 catch type guy with no questions, who is clutch and catches everything.  Reagor to me has massive bust risk, but has upside potential if you think he can be Tyreek Hill.  

I hope Reagor is awesome and they were right here, but the overwhelming likelihood to me is they just F’d this up big time.  I’m not even criticizing them for not trading up for Lamb, as I don’t know what the cost was and it may very well have been too much.  This is all about Reagor > Jefferson.  If they wanted Reagor so much I do believe they could have easily traded back.

I think Jefferson is as good a prospect, but one who fortifies our strengths (middle of the field) where as Reagor in theory really upgrades our major deficiencies (speed and separation on the outside). The fit is the big difference. 
 

It isn’t just about talent evaluation. The fit is exceptional as long as the eval is ok with Reagor. Wasn’t the case with Jefferson.

5 minutes ago, John_C said:

It just seems like another faulty decision, where the smart teams would just take the better overall prospect.  I see Jefferson as a cant miss starter, an 80 catch type guy with no questions, who is clutch and catches everything.  Reagor to me has massive bust risk, but has upside potential if you think he can be Tyreek Hill.  

Jefferson is for sure the "safe" pick. But he has questions, namely separation. When you watch him play at LSU, there's always bodies around him. Now, he has great hands/body control so he makes it work, but he's going to be making a lot of contested catches against NFL DBs. That's...tough. 

Reagor's range of outcomes is wider (DeSean Jackon vs. Ted Ginn/Kenny Stills vs. Paul Richardson). 

So we forgo a single to try to hit a HR.

After sleeping on all of this - and clearing the absolute frustration from my brain:

I am still less than happy that Lamb was there and Howie did not get him. That said, I have to hope that Reager + the Eagles 2nd & 4th is a greater sum than just Lamb. Howie has a spotty draft history so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

The Cowgirls did get a legit player but there are so many holes on their defense. They better hope they outscore teams because that defense is not good right now. They have no cover corners, a bad pass rush, & safety problems.

I am no draft expert and I don't even have "my own board" like some of you manics (meant as a compliment), but this is my day 2 watch list (many may require a trade to get there) in no particular order: DE Gross-Matos, CB Diggs, S Mckinney, WR Higgins, DE Epenesa, WR Hamler, G/C Harris, DE Gipson, Trade for Yannick 😎

7 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Great pick by Andy.

That's now 40-point offense.

 

Not seeing it, a 1st for a RB but also thought there were plenty to chose from and he didn’t impress me at all

 

4 minutes ago, John_C said:

I slept on it.  Could not believe they chose Reagor with Jefferson on the board.  It seems like an even worse decision this morning.  However, this is a team that just took JJAW over Metcalf.  I will expect whoever they take to be the bust of the draft as that is generally the case with their WR picks.

Reagor is small, drops a lot of passes, had a horrible catch rate at TCU and ran a 4.47 at the combine and had one of the worst 3-cone times.  Not sure how that equates to separation at the next level.  Allegedly his "play speed” is much faster.  Maybe that’s true.  

It just seems like another faulty decision, where the smart teams would just take the better overall prospect.  I see Jefferson as a cant miss starter, an 80 catch type guy with no questions, who is clutch and catches everything.  Reagor to me has massive bust risk, but has upside potential if you think he can be Tyreek Hill.  

I hope Reagor is awesome and they were right here, but the overwhelming likelihood to me is they just F’d this up big time.  I’m not even criticizing them for not trading up for Lamb, as I don’t know what the cost was and it may very well have been too much.  This is all about Reagor > Jefferson.  If they wanted Reagor so much I do believe they could have easily traded back.

I understand your argument and think it is completely reasonable with the exception of this last part. 

I doubt they could have easily traded back and gotten him but even more importantly, "if they wanted him so much” as you say (and I agree) you don’t take the risk  

 

I respect the mixed opinions about the player (except those questioning playing speed) but personally,  I love Howie’s philosophy so far  

 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Jefferson is for sure the "safe" pick. But he has questions, namely separation. When you watch him play at LSU, there's always bodies around him. Now, he has great hands/body control so he makes it work, but he's going to be making a lot of contested catches against NFL DBs. That's...tough. 

Reagor's range of outcomes is wider (DeSean Jackon vs. Ted Ginn/Kenny Stills vs. Paul Richardson). 

So we forgo a single to try to hit a HR.

Well put, you basically said verbatim what my brother has been saying to me.  He didn’t want Jefferson for exactly these reasons and doesn’t mind the Reagor pick, though he wanted a trade up.  

I think the criticism of Jefferson making contested catches is a little misplaced, as I think he was targeted often in the red zone and where they needed a conversion and the other team always knew it.  When you have a guy that pretty much always comes down with the ball that’s a positive, not a negative.  I saw enough plays where he ran down the field and by someone and caught the ball too.

I hope we hit a HR.  I’m just not betting on it being the case.  I think more than ever they need to get another top WR prospect in round 2. They can’t wait on it.

12 minutes ago, RLC said:

Jefferson is for sure the "safe" pick. But he has questions, namely separation. When you watch him play at LSU, there's always bodies around him. Now, he has great hands/body control so he makes it work, but he's going to be making a lot of contested catches against NFL DBs. That's...tough. 

Reagor's range of outcomes is wider (DeSean Jackon vs. Ted Ginn/Kenny Stills vs. Paul Richardson). 

So we forgo a single to try to hit a HR.

If they both hit, Reagor supplies the more important impact: Big plays and altering how defenses play. 

I think there’s a really good chance that Jefferson is the more productive player in terms of catches and yards based on how he will be deployed. What Reagor can do, however, is more valuable than counting stats.

10 minutes ago, RLC said:

Jefferson is for sure the "safe" pick. But he has questions, namely separation. When you watch him play at LSU, there's always bodies around him. Now, he has great hands/body control so he makes it work, but he's going to be making a lot of contested catches against NFL DBs. That's...tough. 

Reagor's range of outcomes is wider (DeSean Jackon vs. Ted Ginn/Kenny Stills vs. Paul Richardson). 

So we forgo a single to try to hit a HR.

Who's Reagor's floor comparison in your mind?  

Stills and Ginn had their best years with great/good QBs in Brees and Cam respectively.  Hoping Carson can make him all the more better--especially coming from some lackluster qb play in college.  Also not as down on him because he was linked to the chiefs and saints-- sound offensive scouting teams.  

9 minutes ago, John_C said:

Well put, you basically said verbatim what my brother has been saying to me.  He didn’t want Jefferson for exactly these reasons and doesn’t mind the Reagor pick, though he wanted a trade up.  

I think the criticism of Jefferson making contested catches is a little misplaced, as I think he was targeted often in the red zone and where they needed a conversion and the other team always knew it.  When you have a guy that pretty much always comes down with the ball that’s a positive, not a negative.  I saw enough plays where he ran down the field and by someone and caught the ball too.

I hope we hit a HR.  I’m just not betting on it being the case.  I think more than ever they need to get another top WR prospect in round 2. They can’t wait on it.

Where Jefferson excels is exactly where Goedert and Ertz excel.

Reagor, provided we’re right, helps them breath a little bit. He can make the entire offense better and more productive. I don’t think Jefferson is capable of that. 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Where Jefferson excels is exactly where Goedert and Ertz excel.

Reagor, provided we’re right, helps them breath a little bit. He can make the entire offense better and more productive. I don’t think Jefferson is capable of that. 

I would argue you could add Sanders and even Ward to the TEs. Only DJax does what Reagor can do for us. And the most fun to watch calls will have both DJax and Reagor.

4 minutes ago, ForestSpirit said:

Who's Reagor's floor comparison in your mind?  

Stills and Ginn had their best years with great/good QBs in Brees and Cam respectively.  Hoping Carson can make him all the more better--especially coming from some lackluster qb play in college.  Also not as down on him because he was linked to the chiefs and saints-- sound offensive scouting teams.  

I tend to be more pessimistic than most in here when discussing a player’s floor, so I’d say Phillip Dorsett with better production on jet sweeps. 

This is where ESP shines. 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

This is where ESP shines. 

Did you see his glasses last night?   The dude tries way too hard to be relevant with current trends.  Is he a hipster, a prep, a sneaker head? no one knows, he's just a tool

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

This is where ESP shines. 

 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Where Jefferson excels is exactly where Goedert and Ertz excel.

Reagor, provided we’re right, helps them breath a little bit. He can make the entire offense better and more productive. I don’t think Jefferson is capable of that. 

totally agree...Jefferson would have been redundant.

Raegor gives us a little of what DJ gives us, we missed that sorely last season.  It was our A#1 biggest weakness the entire year and we never could address it.  That skill set is now at a premium in the NFL.  It's why Ruggs went 1st.

For all the griping about Lamb going to the Cowboys:  a) he wont make them significantly better than they were last year.  b) they still have gaping holes all over their defense and that is how the Eagles beat them last year, being methodical and controlling the game.  c) if he was so amazing, why was he the 3rd WR taken?  and d) He had become overrated in a very deep WR class.  There was never a reason to trade up for a WR, this was the correct move if the Eagles couldnt trade back a few spots

 

Raegor was the man at TCU, legitimately their only weapon to plan for.  He will be a dynamic player here, there's no doubt in my mind.

For the people concerned with his 40 time--dont be.  He is a powerful and muscular and I guarantee you if they ran the 40 in pads---which I always though they should---he would have one of, if not the, fastest time.   Watch his highlights and tell me how many times someone catches up to him.  It doesnt happen.   And he's got a huge vertical and goes up and gets the ball.  Im very happy with this pick

 

57 minutes ago, ForestSpirit said:

Cowz always have sexy picks that still can't win them playoff games.  #1 in YPG last year and #6 in points per game and no playoffs.  3 playoff wins in 9 years since 1996.  Lamb makes the team harder to defend-- sure... but the trenches are where we beat them.  Look at week 16-- 47 yards for Zeke and Dak has to be the hero.  Fortify the line and get that secondary right.  SBs still won in the trenches.

Fixed.  

Draft footage illustrated how tough it is for some folks to practice social distancing.  Can't blame players and families for wanting to celebrate a once in a lifetime occasion, but 20-25 folks in one place?  Gotta figure normal folk like us are doing similarly with much less urgent things.... le'sigh

OK, good night sleep.  Still miffed that the Cowboys got Lamb.  Leading up to the draft the conversation was if one of the top WR falls to 14-16 the Eagles need to trade up to get him.  Well the best WR in the draft did and we will never know how hard the Eagles tried, if at all to get ahead of Dallas.  Now we have to face Cooper, Lamb, Gallup, Zeke and Dak.  I think McCarty will have them playing better than Garrett as well.  It's Eagles vs. Cowboys for the East and I don't like how we match up as of TODAY.  Let's see how the Eagles keep building this team. 

If we didn't get CeeDee the WR I wanted was Reagor.  He's a compressed spring just waiting to explode every play.  He isn't a little guy.  When I see his game I see a mixture of Steve Smith, Dante Hall and DeSean Jackson.  He's rocked up, compact and well built.  Another thing is he can learn from D-Jack now.  Their games are very similar and it will be great for him to learn how to bring his game from college to the NFL.  I'm not mad at the Reagor pick at all.  Let's also remember that he has Carson Wentz now.  Jefferson will be good with the Vikings but he wasn't what the Eagles need.  We all want more play makers and explosion in the offense and that's what Reagor brings.  Jefferson would add a steady presence but not the big play.  Reagor does.  He is also your new PR.

I would love to see them pair him with Michael Pittman on day 2, if he is there.  I think we see a run on WR early in round 2 so either the Eagles will have to move up or a good defensive player will fall in to their laps.

Let's see how they finish this draft.  I've gotta get over the Cowboys getting Lamb, just sucks seeing your favorite player go to the hated rivals.  

7 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Today is one step on a long road of convincing me that Joe Douglas was the problem.  But you are right about those DB issues.  That Slay trade, despite the overwhelmingly positive reaction, was actually a lot to stomach.  That's a lot of draft capital to give up for a 29 year old CB who is subsequently taking up a big chunk of cap at market value.  

If we had those Slay draft picks, we could really have our way with things on day 2 of this draft in a big way.

But they desperately needed a sure thing in the secondary because of prior mishaps.  

JFC.  We got one of the shut down corners in the NFL  Ran a 4.36 forty. With a bad hammy last year covered better than healthy Darby.  Reasonable contract.  Let’s say he loses a step at 30.  Then he is 4.4 fast.  We have him for three years. Cost was a third and a fifth.  Doubt a Slay is available in the third this year at any position. Expendable because the Lions, drafting third, knew they were getting a younger version.   I would make that trade any day.  He has a great locker room reputation.  May be just what Sidney and Maddox need.  If Undlin is so great, why didn’t they progress.  I wonder if Slay leadership is better for the younger guys than Malcolm.  With Jenkins it all seemed to revolve around him.  All I ask of Howie is he gets me a speed FS with good instincts today. I think three of those go in the second.  

This misuse of draft picks is warped.   Getting Ajayi helped win a Super Bowl.  Tate was a misstep for the team that was trying to replace Wallace when they thought a repeat was possible. With the comp pick, it was literally Tate and a 2020 4th for a 2019 third.  Not awful but not great.   Last year, we got and used Howard for a 2020 sixth.  They might have resigned him to move that to a fifth but I suspect the nerve damage with that stinger and Boobie’s development with Scott (NO’s 2018 6th) showing promise, they opted to go a cheaper route. Right now, the Eagles are slotted for a 2021 6th comp pick so plus Howard for almost a year for a year later same round pick.  Sounds good to me.   We have Ridgeway for a seventh and resigned him at no added cost.  Decent rotation DT that was a fourth round selection for a seventh.  Great value.   Let’s not forget that we got Riley and a round higher pick (7 to a 6) for Cyprien, who didn’t play much for the Eagles  except STs and lasted one game for the Falcons while Riley, a former third round pick, was a core STer for the Eagles and is our #3 LB at this point.   Cyprien is a free agent and still available.  Riley was much better on STs than Cyprien was for us. Some times current players are better value than later round picks where staying on the roster for more than a year or two is unlikely. 

8 minutes ago, ForestSpirit said:

Draft footage illustrated how tough it is for some folks to practice social distancing.  Can't blame players and families for wanting to celebrate a once in a lifetime occasion, but 20-25 folks in one place?  Gotta figure normal folk like us are doing similarly with much less urgent things.... le'sigh

Ehh, I get that it's exciting but how many Christian families didn't get together for Easter?  How many Jewish families followed the distancing rules during Passover?  Depending on May 8th how many might not see their mothers on Mother's Day?  Religious gathering bad, celebrating getting drafted on national TV, you're OK. 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Ehh, I get that it's exciting but how many Christian families didn't get together for Easter?  How many Jewish families followed the distancing rules during Passover?  Depending on May 8th how many might not see their mothers on Mother's Day?  Religious gathering bad, celebrating getting drafted on national TV, you're OK. 

Weddings & graduations too.  
 

Lots of life moments that rival, if not exceed the NFL draft have been isolated. Easy for me to say because none of them have been cancelled on me.  But it’s selfish to get all those people together for the draft.  

also, how can people say Reagor was a reach when a WR was taken right after us, and 2 of the next 4 picks were WRs?

He wouldnt have lasted, we had to get him.  Thats not a reach, thats the reality of the draft slapping you in the face and you still taking Mel Kiper or whoever's opinion over reality.

Just now, Mike31mt said:

also, how can people say Reagor was a reach when a WR was taken right after us, and 2 of the next 4 picks were WRs?

He wouldnt have lasted, we had to get him.  Thats not a reach, thats the reality of the draft slapping you in the face and you still taking Mel Kiper or whoever's opinion over reality.

Yup. Ideally we would have moved back a handful of spots and got him, but we just weren’t in a position to do that confidently. I’d rather "reach for a guy you love” than trade back and settle for a guy you like.