3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Weddings & graduations too.  
 

Lots of life moments that rival, if not exceed the NFL draft have been isolated. Easy for me to say because none of them have been cancelled on me.  But it’s selfish to get all those people together for the draft.  

Those too.  What's worse is how bad the families were at hiding in the background.  Haven't visited my parents, sisters, niece or nephew for weeks because of this crap.

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

also, how can people say Reagor was a reach when a WR was taken right after us, and 2 of the next 4 picks were WRs?

He wouldnt have lasted, we had to get him.  Thats not a reach, thats the reality of the draft slapping you in the face and you still taking Mel Kiper or whoever's opinion over reality.

Reagor is an exciting prospect, explosive talent, and great fit, even if he’s not an exciting value based on pre-draft rankings.

Looking at how the draft played out before and after our pick, I don’t see any other acceptable scenario for how this could have been handled without us getting burnt badly.  
 

If we traded up for Ruggs, we’d have no more picks in this draft.  If we traded down, our offense would be SCREWED.  And I would not have traded up in front of Dallas for Lamb.  Just not a fan.

Having read through the Blog from last night, Reagor feels like the right pick for what the Eagles want to do and not a major reach. The comment earlier in April that he can play through 3 levels is the biggest example of why they like Reagor.  He has the potential to offer another dimension to the team now - something sorely lacking last year. They clearly did their homework on him.

I am glad Howie didn't feel the need to trade up. There is a lot of good talent waiting at 53 and this team needs depth. You have to pay the bill of past trades at some point.

Reagor isn't the sexy draftnik pick but he has a chance to do good things.

 

4 hours ago, FTheCowboys said:

That's still their fault for going into the draft that desperate. This was the worry for weeks. Either way, it's a bad look for the Eagles. We had the worst receiving corps in the NFL and our biggest add of offseason was Jalen Reagor.

If you were told this back in January would anyone have been cool with that? We can break down fault, blame, how much how little a billion different ways, but it doesn't change the fact that it Fing sucks they either didn't or couldn't do better. How do you think Wentz feels seeing Hopkins go to Arizona and Lamb going to Dallas?

Just double up on WR in round 2 or I'm gonna lose my damn mind. I doubt it happens though. They'll probably pass on Hamler or Higgins for the 10th rated DE or something.

Yes.

 

1 hour ago, ForestSpirit said:

As much as we hype up the 1st round guys, check out the WR from 2nd/3rd round in recent years:

Davante Adams (53), Juju Smith Schuster (62) Michael Thomas (47) Godwin (84- fml), Courtland Sutton (40), Golladay (96), Tyler Boyd (55)

Would be nice to hit on one.

Been saying it for a while.

 

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Those too.  What's worse is how bad the families were at hiding in the background.  Haven't visited my parents, sisters, niece or nephew for weeks because of this crap.

100% agree and as someone who's supposed to be graduating in 2 weeks... none of it is worth it to risk people getting sick.  I understand it from a human perspective-- but don't condone it.

I spent my free time looking at wr options, and now that the team got the one I liked as a fit, can’t complain too much about what happens from here on out. I like Logan Wilson, but question his value in the 2nd round. Guess if I’m excited about Reagor at 21 I shouldn’t complain about value...just think there are some tempting players there.

 

What CBs do you all like next? Particularly guys who can play the outside and aren’t strictly zone guys?

Probably the most damning part for Jefferson...

16 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

OK, good night sleep.  Still miffed that the Cowboys got Lamb.  Leading up to the draft the conversation was if one of the top WR falls to 14-16 the Eagles need to trade up to get him.  Well the best WR in the draft did and we will never know how hard the Eagles tried, if at all to get ahead of Dallas.  Now we have to face Cooper, Lamb, Gallup, Zeke and Dak.  I think McCarty will have them playing better than Garrett as well.  It's Eagles vs. Cowboys for the East and I don't like how we match up as of TODAY.  Let's see how the Eagles keep building this team. 

If we didn't get CeeDee the WR I wanted was Reagor.  He's a compressed spring just waiting to explode every play.  He isn't a little guy.  When I see his game I see a mixture of Steve Smith, Dante Hall and DeSean Jackson.  He's rocked up, compact and well built.  Another thing is he can learn from D-Jack now.  Their games are very similar and it will be great for him to learn how to bring his game from college to the NFL.  I'm not mad at the Reagor pick at all.  Let's also remember that he has Carson Wentz now.  Jefferson will be good with the Vikings but he wasn't what the Eagles need.  We all want more play makers and explosion in the offense and that's what Reagor brings.  Jefferson would add a steady presence but not the big play.  Reagor does.  He is also your new PR.

I would love to see them pair him with Michael Pittman on day 2, if he is there.  I think we see a run on WR early in round 2 so either the Eagles will have to move up or a good defensive player will fall in to their laps.

Let's see how they finish this draft.  I've gotta get over the Cowboys getting Lamb, just sucks seeing your favorite player go to the hated rivals.  

as much as it sucks to watch your favorite prospect go to your most hated rival, there's one thing I absolutely love about how that all played out...the Eagles were so in Jerruh's head that he picked a player he didn't need while ignoring holes on his team, just to stop us from getting a specific player.  Ok, even if that's  who we really wanted, we got a pretty good consolation prize with a great fit that fills one of our biggest holes while our rival got marginally better adding to their strength.

Imagine if we had grabbed a RB in front of Dallas just to stop them from having one while ignoring WR...kind of makes me giggle a little bit.  Jerruh being Jerruh is great for the Eagles.

 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Reagor is an exciting prospect, explosive talent, and great fit, even if he’s not an exciting value based on pre-draft rankings.

Looking at how the draft played out before and after our pick, I don’t see any other acceptable scenario for how this could have been handled without us getting burnt badly.  
 

If we traded up for Ruggs, we’d have no more picks in this draft.  If we traded down, our offense would be SCREWED.  And I would not have traded up in front of Dallas for Lamb.  Just not a fan.

totally agree

if Howie would have gotten cute and played the Value Olympics like so many fans want, we would have gotten burned badly.  We'd probably be looking at a couple 3rd tier WR prospects, or one 3rd/one 4th tier prospect.   Instead we got a high 2nd tier, and IMO he could easily prove to be a top tier prospect.

Again, look who went first---Ruggs.  He was the 3rd most productive WR on his own team.  Lamb went 3rd, and he was very productive and played with 2 Heisman winners and a Heisman finalist.  It's not just about stats.   I was never in love with Lamb.  He's a good prospect, but IMO he doesnt do anything excellently, he's just a good all around prospect.  We got a guy with an elite ability.   It just so happens to be the skill set that our team sorely needs.  It's a perfect fit and we didnt give up a thing

15 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

JFC.  We got one of the shut down corners in the NFL  Ran a 4.36 forty. With a bad hammy last year covered better than healthy Darby.  Reasonable contract.  Let’s say he loses a step at 30.  Then he is 4.4 fast.  We have him for three years. Cost was a third and a fifth.  Doubt a Slay is available in the third this year at any position. Expendable because the Lions, drafting third, knew they were getting a younger version.   I would make that trade any day.  He has a great locker room reputation.  May be just what Sidney and Maddox need.  If Undlin is so great, why didn’t they progress.  I wonder if Slay leadership is better for the younger guys than Malcolm.  With Jenkins it all seemed to revolve around him.  All I ask of Howie is he gets me a speed FS with good instincts today. I think three of those go in the second.  

This misuse of draft picks is warped.   Getting Ajayi helped win a Super Bowl.  Tate was a misstep for the team that was trying to replace Wallace when they thought a repeat was possible. With the comp pick, it was literally Tate and a 2020 4th for a 2019 third.  Not awful but not great.   Last year, we got and used Howard for a 2020 sixth.  They might have resigned him to move that to a fifth but I suspect the nerve damage with that stinger and Boobie’s development with Scott (NO’s 2018 6th) showing promise, they opted to go a cheaper route. Right now, the Eagles are slotted for a 2021 6th comp pick so plus Howard for almost a year for a year later same round pick.  Sounds good to me.   We have Ridgeway for a seventh and resigned him at no added cost.  Decent rotation DT that was a fourth round selection for a seventh.  Great value.   Let’s not forget that we got Riley and a round higher pick (7 to a 6) for Cyprien, who didn’t play much for the Eagles  except STs and lasted one game for the Falcons while Riley, a former third round pick, was a core STer for the Eagles and is our #3 LB at this point.   Cyprien is a free agent and still available.  Riley was much better on STs than Cyprien was for us. Some times current players are better value than later round picks where staying on the roster for more than a year or two is unlikely. 

Most guys you pick on the second day spend a year on the PS or the end of the bench, play STs their second season and maybe are in the rotation (top 30 or so) their third season.

Every so often you hit paydirt (Kelce), but you also cut half of them.

So if you can get a solid young player like Ridgeway for a 7th or a player who can give you a year or two in the rotation, you're ahead of the game.

Just now, purplefiggy said:

as much as it sucks to watch your favorite prospect go to your most hated rival, there's one thing I absolutely love about how that all played out...the Eagles were so in Jerruh's head that he picked a player he didn't need while ignoring holes on his team, just to stop us from getting a specific player.  Ok, even if that's  who we really wanted, we got a pretty good consolation prize with a great fit that fills one of our biggest holes while our rival got marginally better adding to their strength.

Imagine if we had grabbed a RB in front of Dallas just to stop them from having one while ignoring WR...kind of makes me giggle a little bit.  Jerruh being Jerruh is great for the Eagles.

They got their sixth rated player at 17. We can make our jokes, but that’s a win for them. Cobb played a lot of slot snaps and they had nothing at third receiver. It actually was a need for them. Now Cooper can play the slot with Lamb at X in 11. 

Alright...we avoided my big pitfall, Jefferson, in round 1 by the skin of our teeth.

Here is my round 2 do not draft list:

1.  Yetur Gross-Matos.  If Justin Jefferson is Jordan Matthews, then YGM is Victor Abiamiri or Vinny Curry.  He’s going to be the shinny object in round 2.  So many projected him as a first round pick.  Wait...DE is a premium position, a position of need.  He was a projected first round pick.  He’s from PSU.  We drafted his inferior line mate last year.  Sounds like a match made in heaven?  Right?  
 

Wrong.  He’s great value on paper.  But he fell out of round 1 because teams are concerned he won’t be an explosive edge rusher.  We don’t need to invest in a Victor Abiamiri / Vinny Curry decent DE.  We need a stud.  If he can’t be an explosive edge guy worthy of round 1, then don’t bother in round 2.  
 

2.  Jefferson. Just copy/paste everything I said about Justin Jefferson in round 1.  We don’t need his less athletic namesake before round 4.  
 

Both of these guys figure to be very tempting to Howie in round 2.  Stay the heck away.

5 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

as much as it sucks to watch your favorite prospect go to your most hated rival, there's one thing I absolutely love about how that all played out...the Eagles were so in Jerruh's head that he picked a player he didn't need while ignoring holes on his team, just to stop us from getting a specific player.  Ok, even if that's  who we really wanted, we got a pretty good consolation prize with a great fit that fills one of our biggest holes while our rival got marginally better adding to their strength.

Imagine if we had grabbed a RB in front of Dallas just to stop them from having one while ignoring WR...kind of makes me giggle a little bit.  Jerruh being Jerruh is great for the Eagles.

There is something to consider that, at least while Cooper is around, they may not be maximizing their investment in Lamb.

2 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

as much as it sucks to watch your favorite prospect go to your most hated rival, there's one thing I absolutely love about how that all played out...the Eagles were so in Jerruh's head that he picked a player he didn't need while ignoring holes on his team, just to stop us from getting a specific player.  Ok, even if that's  who we really wanted, we got a pretty good consolation prize with a great fit that fills one of our biggest holes while our rival got marginally better adding to their strength.

Imagine if we had grabbed a RB in front of Dallas just to stop them from having one while ignoring WR...kind of makes me giggle a little bit.  Jerruh being Jerruh is great for the Eagles.

I hear you but I don't buy the ignoring holes comments anymore.  The Eagles could have used Murray or Queen to fill a hole last night.  Are we saying they ignored a hole to draft a WR?  Dallas saw a way to make their team better and also get a player their rivals liked.  Win-win for Jerry.  He still has the rest of the draft to fill their holes.

Reagor wouldn’t have done that. 

Go back to last season and see how different this offense looked with Djax.

We don't need 5 speed WRs, we do need one legitimate deep threat on the field - because with Wentz's arm, you have to respect that threat.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

I hear you but I don't buy the ignoring holes comments anymore.  The Eagles could have used Murray or Queen to fill a hole last night.  Are we saying they ignored a hole to draft a WR?  Dallas saw a way to make their team better and also get a player their rivals liked.  Win-win for Jerry.  He still has the rest of the draft to fill their holes.

It’s a passing league. People say Dak needs a strong supporting cast, so they get him a great prospect and they laugh. It’s because it’s Dallas. If Arizona drafted Lamb to go with Kirk and Hopkins, no one would bat an eye. 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

I hear you but I don't buy the ignoring holes comments anymore.  The Eagles could have used Murray or Queen to fill a hole last night.  Are we saying they ignored a hole to draft a WR?  Dallas saw a way to make their team better and also get a player their rivals liked.  Win-win for Jerry.  He still has the rest of the draft to fill their holes.

we went round and round yesterday on this, but based on what they did last night, the Eagles seem to think their WR hole was bigger than their LB hole.

yeah, Lamb makes Dallas incrementally better, but you don't think that pick was a luxury pick for them?

Like for us...could we use another RB?  Sure.  But not in the first round.  Even if he was a RB we had rated highly, we would have KILLED them for that move.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Go back to last season and see how different this offense looked with Djax.

We don't need 5 speed WRs, we do need one legitimate deep threat on the field - because with Wentz's arm, you have to respect that threat.

I hope we add one more. Let Goedert and Ertz eat over the middle with Reagor/DJax/fast draft pick eat downfield. 

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Most guys you pick on the second day spend a year on the PS or the end of the bench, play STs their second season and maybe are in the rotation (top 30 or so) their third season.

Every so often you hit paydirt (Kelce), but you also cut half of them.

So if you can get a solid young player like Ridgeway for a 7th or a player who can give you a year or two in the rotation, you're ahead of the game.

This analysis is junk man.  You're 2nd day picks SHOULD be depth and contributors.  The Eagles have just sucked at getting those players.  2nd and 3rd round picks should never be on the PS.  

7th rounders sure but day 2 draft picks are the 2nd and 3rd round.  The Eagles need to start hitting on those players.

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

They got their sixth rated player at 17. We can make our jokes, but that’s a win for them. Cobb played a lot of slot snaps and they had nothing at third receiver. It actually was a need for them. Now Cooper can play the slot with Lamb at X in 11. 

Value-wise, it's a great pick for them

Team-building wise, it might be a penny wise and a pound foolish.  They still have to replace Travis Frederick and half of their defense.  I just see this as a marginal upgrade for them

They were going to get a good prospect one way or another, just like we were.  They went with a shiny toy over a real need.  We'll see how it works out tonight, because now theyre absolutely drafting for need.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

This analysis is junk man.  You're 2nd day picks SHOULD be depth and contributors.  The Eagles have just sucked at getting those players.  2nd and 3rd round picks should never be on the PS.  

7th rounders sure but day 2 draft picks are the 2nd and 3rd round.  The Eagles need to start hitting on those players.

I assume he meant the "old" day 2 - rounds 4-7.  Otherwise, I agree with you.