Orlovsky's take on Reagor:  "Expect a Santonio Holmes or Percy Harvin type of game speed"

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

JFC.  We got one of the shut down corners in the NFL  Ran a 4.36 forty. With a bad hammy last year covered better than healthy Darby.  Reasonable contract.  Let’s say he loses a step at 30.  Then he is 4.4 fast.  We have him for three years. Cost was a third and a fifth.  Doubt a Slay is available in the third this year at any position. Expendable because the Lions, drafting third, knew they were getting a younger version.   I would make that trade any day.  He has a great locker room reputation.  May be just what Sidney and Maddox need.  If Undlin is so great, why didn’t they progress.  I wonder if Slay leadership is better for the younger guys than Malcolm.  With Jenkins it all seemed to revolve around him.  All I ask of Howie is he gets me a speed FS with good instincts today. I think three of those go in the second.  

This misuse of draft picks is warped.   Getting Ajayi helped win a Super Bowl.  Tate was a misstep for the team that was trying to replace Wallace when they thought a repeat was possible. With the comp pick, it was literally Tate and a 2020 4th for a 2019 third.  Not awful but not great.   Last year, we got and used Howard for a 2020 sixth.  They might have resigned him to move that to a fifth but I suspect the nerve damage with that stinger and Boobie’s development with Scott (NO’s 2018 6th) showing promise, they opted to go a cheaper route. Right now, the Eagles are slotted for a 2021 6th comp pick so plus Howard for almost a year for a year later same round pick.  Sounds good to me.   We have Ridgeway for a seventh and resigned him at no added cost.  Decent rotation DT that was a fourth round selection for a seventh.  Great value.   Let’s not forget that we got Riley and a round higher pick (7 to a 6) for Cyprien, who didn’t play much for the Eagles  except STs and lasted one game for the Falcons while Riley, a former third round pick, was a core STer for the Eagles and is our #3 LB at this point.   Cyprien is a free agent and still available.  Riley was much better on STs than Cyprien was for us. Some times current players are better value than later round picks where staying on the roster for more than a year or two is unlikely. 

I think the point is that the move for Slay was necessary because of past failures at CB in terms of drafting (Jones - 2nd, Douglas - 3rd) and trades (Darby - 3rd).  The only reason the Eagles made that move, and then had to give up both draft capital and cap space was due to the failures of past moves.  If Jones and Douglas were who they were supposed to be when drafted, the Slay move wouldn't have been necessary.   I don't think he's criticizing the move once the reality of Jones and Douglas sunk in.

Reagor certainly doesn't lack confidence. There's a refreshing attribute now that the stink of Agholor is gone.

How’s everyone’s feeling today? 
 

Not quite sure when the sting of Lamb to Boys will wear off but I’m pumped to have Reagor. Electric! A corner or safety in round two and I’m happy. Could even roll the dice on Shenault 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Reagor certainly doesn't lack confidence. There's a refreshing attribute now that the stink of Agholor is gone.

As long as he doesn’t start calling himself filet mignon or running all the way to the end zone in training camp shells practices.  

3 minutes ago, ForestSpirit said:

Orlovsky's take on Reagor:  "Expect a Santonio Holmes or Percy Harvin type of game speed"

I expect faster.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Alright...we avoided my big pitfall, Jefferson, in round 1 by the skin of our teeth.

Here is my round 2 do not draft list:

1.  Yetur Gross-Matos.  If Justin Jefferson is Jordan Matthews, then YGM is Victor Abiamiri or Vinny Curry.  He’s going to be the shinny object in round 2.  So many projected him as a first round pick.  Wait...DE is a premium position, a position of need.  He was a projected first round pick.  He’s from PSU.  We drafted his inferior line mate last year.  Sounds like a match made in heaven?  Right?  
 

Wrong.  He’s great value on paper.  But he fell out of round 1 because teams are concerned he won’t be an explosive edge rusher.  We don’t need to invest in a Victor Abiamiri / Vinny Curry decent DE.  We need a stud.  If he can’t be an explosive edge guy worthy of round 1, then don’t bother in round 2.  
 

2.  Jefferson. Just copy/paste everything I said about Justin Jefferson in round 1.  We don’t need his less athletic namesake before round 4.  
 

Both of these guys figure to be very tempting to Howie in round 2.  Stay the heck away.

So if the BPA at 53 is a S or LB, you think that is an okay pick?

When we play action deep ball Reagor play 1 of the season ala Vick-Desean Washington game..I want everyone who hates the Reagor pick to keep that same hatred 

1 minute ago, Gator 12 said:

How’s everyone’s feeling today? 
 

Not quite sure when the sting of Lamb to Boys will wear off but I’m pumped to have Reagor. Electric! A corner or safety in round two and I’m happy. Could even roll the dice on Shenault 

I never understood the hype on lamb, i think hes good but not god. I had reagor for the eagles rated above him so im good😊

3 hours ago, greendestiny27 said:

Man, Cowboys got Lamb, Gallup and Cooper. Geezus, good luck stopping that now. Trade up for Diggs since he's really the only really good CB left. 

They will stop themselves

On an off-the-field note, have to feel awful for Dak Prescott today; heard on the way to work this morning his brother passed away last night -- only 31 years old

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

So if the BPA at 53 is a S or LB, you think that is an okay pick?

If BPA, absolutely.  Obviously, we won’t all agree on who the BPA is.

But if it really is a LB/S, that’s fine.

Unless Hamler is off the board or we revisit this conversation in 2 years after he’s a proven bust, I’m not going to think LB/S is BPA.

Dak passed for nearly 5000 yards last year.  He won't get much more adding Lamb.  Their offense functions best when they run the ball.

2 minutes ago, Gator 12 said:

How’s everyone’s feeling today? 
 

Not quite sure when the sting of Lamb to Boys will wear off but I’m pumped to have Reagor. Electric! A corner or safety in round two and I’m happy. Could even roll the dice on Shenault 

Not sure why people are terrified of them getting Lamb?  I never felt he was that great to begin with. 

Guys like Kevin White and Justin Blackmon were labeled studs but ended up being duds.  Dont worry about Dallas.

One thing that I just thought about.

Last year, all we heard about JJAW was production in college was a big factor in him being drafted over the much more athletic Metcalf.

This year, they passed on the production (Jefferson) and went with the better athlete - Reagor.

Different years and they could miss on both - but Reagor over Jefferson might represent a change in mindset that we wanted?

I also might be trying too hard to talk myself into loving this pick.

After a night to sleep on it I'm ok with the Reagor pick.  It does seem he was going to go right after our pick.  I only hope our WR evaluations were finally correct this time and he really does have the advertised blazing speed.  Our WR situation is now good enough to the point where we don't NEED to get a WR anymore.

Now onto Rd. 2 and 3 tonight:

Dream scenario - get 2 STARTERS on D.  Hopefully something like S Grant Delpit and LB Logan Wilson.  May have to trade up in Rd. 3 using one of our late 4ths to go up and get a guy like Wilson.

We have GLARING needs on D at this point that hopefully we can address w/value picks.

However if we do have a WR (Hamler?  Mims?) rated as the best VALUE on the board in Rd. 2, I'm good with that.

Should be BPA from now on for a few picks, excluding QB or OL.

Also for all the talk about how unpredictable this draft would be, it was pretty darn predictable. Seemed like less reaches and only one surprise move 

I like Reagor.

On Lamb, well, this is the price of beating Dallas in week 16 last year and taking the division. Would you rather have lost that game and gotten Lamb, or won the game and gotten Reagor?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DppN_zO_IU

2 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Dak passed for nearly 5000 yards last year.  He won't get much more adding Lamb.  Their offense functions best when they run the ball.

They had 3 good WRs last year with Coop, Cobb and Gallup.  Lamb basically takes Cobbs place.

A few thoughts on Round 1 from last night:

-- For the Eagles I had a feeling either Jefferson or Reagor would be the pick.  Happy we got Reagor in that he fills some needs for the team -- speed WR and really good PR

-- Gettleman picking Thomas at #4 for the NYG was a surprise; I think he took the 4th best OL available, but at least this year he didn't go totally off the reservation

-- WAS did the right thing drafting Chase Young; that guy will be a pain in the butt for the Eagles to block.

-- DAL taking Lamb at #17 makes sense; I don't see that it makes them a ton better because they have big needs on their back 7 on defense -- but Lamb was too good for them to pass on

-- GB taking Jordan Love at #25 and trading up to do it -- WTF??  Unless Aaron Rodgers has told the organization he's only playing 2-3 more years, this move makes zero sense.  I heard this morning that the Packers have not used their first round pick on a WR or RB in 15 years.  They needed a WR badly -- we'll see what they do the rest of the draft.  The Packers have wasted a lot of good Rodgers years.

2 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

They had 3 good WRs last year with Coop, Cobb and Gallup.  Lamb basically takes Cobbs place.

I said the same thing earlier.

8 minutes ago, Gator 12 said:

How’s everyone’s feeling today? 
 

Not quite sure when the sting of Lamb to Boys will wear off but I’m pumped to have Reagor. Electric! A corner or safety in round two and I’m happy. Could even roll the dice on Shenault 

This might be one of the first times ever that the Eagles have picked "my guy" in the first round (outside of Carson and Lane but that doesn't really count) so I'm still stoked. 

Plenty of really intriguing complimentary receivers to be had in really any round going forward, but not really anyone that has that outside speed receiver aspect that Reagor brings.  Prefer they go D or iOL in round 2 but I'd be OK with more weapons too.

3 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Not sure why people are terrified of them getting Lamb?  I never felt he was that great to begin with. 

Guys like Kevin White and Justin Blackmon were labeled studs but ended up being duds.  Dont worry about Dallas.

I’m not terrified. The opposite. They have too many mouths to feed right now, you could realistically expect Lamb to take over Cobb with 50 and 800. Nothing crazy but solid.

it just sucked to watch him fall and start thinking..can we actually get him?? Then bam goes to Dallas.

Very happy with our pick of Reagor 

7 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

After a night to sleep on it I'm ok with the Reagor pick.  It does seem he was going to go right after our pick.  I only hope our WR evaluations were finally correct this time and he really does have the advertised blazing speed.  Our WR situation is now good enough to the point where we don't NEED to get a WR anymore.

Now onto Rd. 2 and 3 tonight:

Dream scenario - get 2 STARTERS on D.  Hopefully something like S Grant Delpit and LB Logan Wilson.  May have to trade up in Rd. 3 using one of our late 4ths to go up and get a guy like Wilson.

We have GLARING needs on D at this point that hopefully we can address w/value picks.

However if we do have a WR (Hamler?  Mims?) rated as the best VALUE on the board in Rd. 2, I'm good with that.

Should be BPA from now on for a few picks, excluding QB or OL.

We don’t have a 3rd round pick, was traded for Slay

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I think if Howie set it to auto draft we’d be a lot better off than over drafting for Reagor and JJAW

I understand the sentiment but the reality is we have no idea where other teams ranked Reagor relative to Jefferson.  I think going with Reagor over Jefferson wasn't a bad move.  I'm not sure trading back would have allowed the team to get him.  I mean Jefferson and Ayiuk went off of the board right after him.  I would have been thrilled if they could have landed Lamb. I don't think it was a bad decision to hold onto picks in this draft.  Giving up their 2nd round pick likely was a good decision.  Reagor's a good player that has been productive.  I think Ruggs has more question marks than Reagor in terms of production.  

What’re the chances we ship off Rasul and a 4th to move up into 3rd?