2 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

Man, I slept so good last night!  Didn't wanna get up.

That wasn't what I asked you.  I'm trying to think of how the offense could look with more than just 1 speed guy on the field at a time.  Lemme put it this way...  why do you think Howie went for Reagor over Jefferson when he had both of them right in front of him?

Because Joe Douglas isn't here anymore and our draft board doesn't consist of sorting sports-reference.com's NCAA stat leaders anymore.  🤣

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If we don't trade for Curtis Samuel, he's got one year left on his contract and will be putting up very scant numbers in that 2020 Panthers offense as the #3 WR.

Desean walks in the offseason and takes $10m off the books, not to mention Alshon, who I don't even consider to be on the roster.

Samuel would be a very good and reasonably valued FA signing next offseason.

Yeah I see us saving $17M in cap by cutting both DeSean and Alshon next summer.  Could get a guy like Samuel for maybe $7M as a replacement to pair w/Reagor.

Still some concerns re: drops for Samuel, plus it doesn't seem like he's being used as a deep threat considering his low YPC so far (11.4 career).  Is he being misused or is he not good at tracking deep balls?

Reagor's coach on right now saying he personally watched him get timed in the low 4.3's, high 4.2's at his pro day.  Showed the watches to the camera.

2 hours ago, John_C said:

I know you aren't criticizing the "Monday morning quarterbacking after the draft" because what the hell are we even doing here if we can't discuss opinions?  I'm just giving my take on it, which I acknowledge is different than the majority here and I hope the majority is correct.

It sounds like we view Jefferson similarly.  We obviously can't know what trade option was available or offered as far as moving back.  I hope for the positive with reagor, there just seems to be a number of risk factors that I am sure other teams, and teams that actually know how to evaluate WRs, must have seen as well.   He very well may have been available late 1st or early 2nd, or even mid 2nd, we will never know.  I honestly thought he was a guy that due to his risks may have been in play at 53.  This is a guy with major issues catching the ball that did not test well athletically, certainly not close to what was expected.

In theory, I completely agree that the optimistic concept of reagor fits the Birds better.  I hope it is the case.  If a good WR evaluating team drafted him I'd have more confidence.  The reality is I'm going to be extremely skeptical of any WR the Birds take, given the track record, which is also why I think they need to take another with the next pick.  Two chances to find someone that can actually play....

I'm not.  But the idea of the trade back and still get Reagor isn't a realistic viewpoint.  Minny went WR the next pick.  SF went WR at 25.  and we don't know who else might have been really high on Reagor and might have jumped to get him.  Maybe Miami wants to move up for a weapon for Tua, rather than the CB... but with Reagor off the board decided to sit back and not move.

 

Point is: If the Eagles feel that Reagor is the only one on the board that offers what they are desperate for (and seems to be true) - a deep threat WR that can step in Day 1... then they can't afford the gamble of the trade back.  The potential risk far outweighs the possible reward.  I liked Jefferson more than Reagor, so moving back a little and getting one of the two and I'm thrilled... but moving back too far and they end up with neither is not an option I would have been ok with.  I am not high on Mims.  I am only relatively high on Higgins (adding him to Reagor, I love, adding him in place of Reagor, I hate).   I really liked Aiyuk as the 3rd WR on my list after Jefferson and Reagor, but he went higher than I thought.  I think the Eagles played this just right.  They did not panic and overpay for a WR they needed to add, but they didn't try to get cute and miss out entirely.   The value of an extra 3rd or 4th round pick just doesn't match up with missing on a truly exceptional athlete.  Mims is a freakish athlete, but it didn't translate to the field as well.  Higgins isn't the freakish athlete, which is why he's not a Round 1 WR.  Hamler is the speed guy to match Reagor, but he's not even close to as versatile (and I like Hamler), just not as an outside WR.  He's a slot and a gadget guy, who can be dangerous.  (Disclaimer: I don't see the fit with Hamler being added now though, as I'd like some size to the next WR, at least a 6 footer.)

Im listening to Reagors old coach on WIP now.  Somehow, I am more excited than I already am.  It was not a fluff piece either, he was being transparent.

5 minutes ago, lornemalvo4133 said:

I like the pick but "worst case Brandin Cooks" is too optimistic. There are a distribution of outcomes far worse than that. 

I'm trying to be positive. I'm not exactly happy with the reach. I think Jefferson will have a multiple 80 plus catch seasons. Beggars cant be choosers though.

Just now, Green Dog said:

Reagor's coach on right now saying he personally watched him get timed in the low 4.3's, high 4.2's at his pro day.  Showed the watches to the camera.

jinx

1 hour ago, obedt said:

This video had been posted in the old board. He's top 3 in the class in terms of making DBs look foolish. Just turns them around a lot more than what you see out of most prospects.

Awful ball placement by the QB. On the sluggo he literally put it the worst place he could.  Back shoulder and behind.  Right where the DB is.  Outside shoulder and that’s a TD.  On the dino, the qb turned that into a contested catch.  

2 hours ago, Rhinoddd50 said:

Baltimore just sits near the bottom of Round 1 every year and scoops up whatever falling stud is still on the board.     Not that the Ravens are perfect drafters, and some of their picks bust out too, but man they always seem to get good value based on where they are drafting.    I guess it's gotta be Eric DeCosta who gets the most credit for that.   

Part of that is because as a 3-4 alignment they also value LBs, whereas 4-3 teams don't.  

7 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

Man, I slept so good last night!  Didn't wanna get up.

That wasn't what I asked you.  I'm trying to think of how the offense could look with more than just 1 speed guy on the field at a time.  Lemme put it this way...  why do you think Howie went for Reagor over Jefferson when he had both of them right in front of him?

Cause howie likely also believed reagor was a better fit on the outside as well. I don’t think it was pure speed why they went reagor over jefferson. Jefferson projected by many as more of a slot receiver. They wanted an outside guy. 

Just now, BigEFly said:

Awful ball placement by the QB. On the sluggo he literally put it the worst place he could.  Back shoulder and behind.  Right where the DB is.  Outside shoulder and that’s a TD.  On the dino, the qb turned that into a contested catch.  

So many of the highlights were like that. He's going to be a breath of fresh air for Wentz, but Wentz may be an even bigger one for him. 

13 minutes ago, lornemalvo4133 said:

I like the pick but "worst case Brandin Cooks" is too optimistic. There are a distribution of outcomes far worse than that. 

I would say so.  Cooks had 1,000+ yards seasons in 4 of the last 5 seasons where the Eagles haven't had one in the last 5  (WR that is...Ertz had one).  So if Reagor's worst case scenario is Cooks, sign me up.

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Cause howie likely also believed reagor was a better fit on the outside as well. I don’t think it was pure speed why they went reagor over jefferson. Jefferson projected by many as more of a slot receiver. They wanted an outside guy. 

And I'm not saying this to discredit Lamb because I also desperately wanted us to get him, but where is Lamb going to be playing in Dallas?  And if somebody were to end up comparing WR stats at the end of this year (whenever that is), would Reagor hypothetically have the edge simply because the eagles will use him outside?

It's going to be an interesting story to watch unfold.

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Awful ball placement by the QB. On the sluggo he literally put it the worst place he could.  Back shoulder and behind.  Right where the DB is.  Outside shoulder and that’s a TD.  On the dino, the qb turned that into a contested catch.  

TCU had a true freshman QB starting last season. Anyone who is just doing a stat comparison of Jefferson's numbers last season to Reagor's aren't looking at the full picture. 

Just now, Green Dog said:

And I'm not saying this to discredit Lamb because I also desperately wanted us to get him, but where is Lamb going to be playing in Dallas?  And if somebody were to end up comparing WR stats at the end of this year (whenever that is), would Reagor hypothetically have the edge simply because the eagles will use him outside?

It's going to be an interesting story to watch unfold.

I think Lamb starts in the slot (played 30% there last season) but he could be switched with Cooper in some formations.

Speaking of Cooper, I wonder if Jerry would have written him a 5 yr/$100M paycheck if he knew Lamb would be available to them at #17 .... 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

 

I heard at least 15 fans on diff radio shows last night after the draft call in and swear that Howie was a dope because Reagor would be there in the 30's -40s.

Smh

22 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Yeah, I think this play actually makes Murray look good. Starts off at a weird angle and by no means looks that slow. He is a LB, ya know. And Reagor is the speed demon WR.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Chris Simms said the whole NFL knew the Eagles were in on Reagor. 

6 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

And I'm not saying this to discredit Lamb because I also desperately wanted us to get him, but where is Lamb going to be playing in Dallas?  And if somebody were to end up comparing WR stats at the end of this year (whenever that is), would Reagor hypothetically have the edge simply because the eagles will use him outside?

It's going to be an interesting story to watch unfold.

I don’t know why lamb is coming into this  My thing was between jefferson and reagor. That’s the two it came down to at 21. The Eagles didn’t have the option of lamb, Jefferson and reagor because they weren’t able to move up to get lamb because I don’t think any of the teams up there were willing to move back to 21. The Jefferson and reagor comparisons on why the Eagles took him is not just based on the speed factor. That is definitely in play but the fact that the Eagles keep saying fit tells me that they believe his fit on the outside wide receiver position is better then Jefferson whom they probably think is more of a slot guy

I think reagor has a chance to have better stats but that’s not all in part because reagor is just so much better. I think he’s going to have more opportunities as desean doesn’t stay healthy and the only other reliable WR right now is ward then lamb who’s going to have to compete with Cooper, Gallup and Zeke. Ertz is going to take some targets away but i think there’s a chance reagor seems way more opportunities to make big plays and get more snaps than lamb just based on what we have at WR. 
 

2 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

TCU had a true freshman QB starting last season. Anyone who is just doing a stat comparison of Jefferson's numbers last season to Reagor's aren't looking at the full picture. 

The better comparison is market share.  Raegor had 29% of Duggan's receiving yards.  Jefferson had 27% of Burrow's.  Raegor had close to 40% of TCU's yards as a Sophomore.  Jefferson had 29% of LSU's as a Sophomore.  

So I was inspired by the cooking conversation a few days ago and went with a pot roast in the slow cooker today.

Hoping the Eagles go DB in round 2. So many good options left. Diggs, Fulton, Johnson, McKinney, Delpit, Winfield. Decent chance none of them make it to 53 but who knows. I would look for a DE with YGM, Epenesa, and Lewis all still on the board, or Hennessy. I'd be shocked if Howie went back to WR already but I wouldn't be mad either.  Interested to see if Mims and Higgins continue to fall and how far.

 

I really hated a Samuel trade pre-Reagor, but now I'd be fully on board.   4+5 for Samuel leaves 53 for a top safety, one 4th for a good LB, and one 4th for BPA (rb?). 

Put it all together and things could shape up nicely.

7 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

And I'm not saying this to discredit Lamb because I also desperately wanted us to get him, but where is Lamb going to be playing in Dallas?  And if somebody were to end up comparing WR stats at the end of this year (whenever that is), would Reagor hypothetically have the edge simply because the eagles will use him outside?

It's going to be an interesting story to watch unfold.

I'd say Lamb is better than Gallup, so not so much where Lamb will play, but Gallup is the one having to look at moving inside.  Lamb was drafted to play with Cooper as the two outside receivers, and Gallup will be #3.  But if they are smart, and they will be, the will move them to get the matchup they want when they go 3 wide