Like wilson but hoped to spend a third not a second

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I still want shenault to be frank. I think he’s a perfect compliment to reagor. I also think he gives you a lot of jet sweeps, can play some running back ala ty Montgomery and he can play all three WR position. Add on in the red zone he’s so physical and so much bigger than corners he’ll bully them. If JJAW showed anything worthwhile last year I’m not even considering 2nd round WR. But since he didn’t if shenault is there I’m considering it strongly. 

Love shenaults game but his injury history paired with the eagles scares me away. I imagine there are a few red flags for injuries next to his name on howies board.

1 minute ago, FTheCowboys said:

What sucks is the Eagles messing up at WR last year in the draft is why they put themselves in the position to need to take a WR this year. Their previous draft mistakes showing their ripple effects. 😩

I made a similar point last night. The Eagles poor Drafting at corner and WR over the last 3-4 years forced them to make trades for veterans that also really haven’t worked out (excluding slay). So you’ve invested picks in the draft didn’t work out. Then traded away picks that could’ve been used in a draft because of the poor drafting of those two positions. So you not only had bad picks but Compounded with poor trades that hurt you in previous drafts in trying to build up the roster as you didn’t have those picks to build the roster up with young players. Which all comes into play last night that if the Eagles really want to even movr up in the draft they couldn’t do it because he didn’t have the ammunition they could’ve had At their disposal due to trades and poor drafting. It came full circle last night if the case was the eagles indeed wanted to move up for a jeudy or lamb who fell slightly. 

6 minutes ago, FTheCowboys said:

What sucks is the Eagles messing up at WR last year in the draft is why they put themselves in the position to need to take a WR this year. Their previous draft mistakes showing their ripple effects. 😩

Even if we took DK Metcalf last year, we should have taken Reagor this year.

17 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Frankly if he ran a 4.3 then a  I think people would’ve been thrilled about the pick and B. he he might not even be on the board at 21 if he ran that as people in the nfl get crazy stupid when it comes to speed and ridiculous 40s. 

Not to mention draft sites would have boosted him way up with that time .....   and 90% of the people angry this morning wouldn't be so upset because their "research" would have told a diff story.

 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Part of that is because as a 3-4 alignment they also value LBs, whereas 4-3 teams don't.  

Yes, but whether on Offense or Defense, the Ravens seems to have done a good job of getting value out of their draft position, which typically was the latter half of Round 1.

It isn't like all these guys turned out to be studs in the NFL, for example we know Perriman was a bust, but relative to the specific time of those drafts, most of these guys were considered outstanding value when the Ravens finally selected them.    And the Ravens typically have gotten as least decent production from most of them.   

2019

1 - Marquise Brown (25 overall)

2018

1 - Hayden Hurst (25 overall)

1 - Lamar Jackson (32 overall)

2017

1 - Marlon Humphrey (16 overall)

2016

1 - Ronnie Stanley (6 overall)

2015

1 - Breshad Perriman (26 overall)

2014

1 - C.J. Mosley (17 overall)

2013

1 - Matt Elam (32 overall)

2012

2 - Courtney Upshaw (35 overall)

2011

1 - Jimmy Smith (27 overall)

2010

2 - Sergio Kindle (43 overall)

2009

1 - Michael Oher (23 overall)

2008

1 - Joe Flacco (18 overall)

2007

1 - Ben Grubbs (29th overall)

 

 

 

Just now, Utebird said:

Love shenaults game but his injury history paired with the eagles scares me away. I imagine there are a few red flags for injuries next to his name on howies board.

Definitely durability concerns. However in the second round I think almost all those guys that are going to be sitting there at 53 have some sort of flaw against them. his biggest flaw is durability but when he’s on the field I don’t think there’s a better wide receiver prospect outside of the top three in this draft in terms of his ceiling. If he reaches his ceiling he could be a star. I’m not so sure if he’s there at 53 there’s another player on the board that has the ceiling he has

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I made a similar point last night. The Eagles poor Drafting at corner and WR over the last 3-4 years forced them to make trades for veterans that also really haven’t worked out (excluding slay). So you’ve invested picks in the draft didn’t work out. Then traded away picks that could’ve been used in a draft because of the poor drafting of those two positions. So you not only had bad picks but Compounded with poor trades that hurt you in previous drafts in trying to build up the roster as you didn’t have those picks to build the roster up with young players. Which all comes into play last night that if the Eagles really want to even movr up in the draft they couldn’t do it because he didn’t have the ammunition they could’ve had At their disposal due to trades and poor drafting. It came full circle last night if the case was the eagles indeed wanted to move up for a jeudy or lamb who fell slightly. 

Shows a total lack of foresight and planning on his part. You have to realize this possibility could come up. 

4 minutes ago, FTheCowboys said:

Shows a total lack of foresight and planning on his part. You have to realize this possibility could come up. 

Not sure I’d call it foresight as much as Poor drafting and poor projecting of the wide receiver and corner position is taking it’s toll on the Eagles. In terms of draft pick capital and ability to maneuver around the way they might want to. 

This simply comes down to the Eagles need better of evaluations and better projecting of corner backs and wide receivers in the draft. Like the other positions they been OK those two they’ve been awful at with high round picks. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I made a similar point last night. The Eagles poor Drafting at corner and WR over the last 3-4 years forced them to make trades for veterans that also really haven’t worked out (excluding slay). So you’ve invested picks in the draft didn’t work out. Then traded away picks that could’ve been used in a draft because of the poor drafting of those two positions. So you not only had bad picks but Compounded with poor trades that hurt you in previous drafts in trying to build up the roster as you didn’t have those picks to build the roster up with young players. Which all comes into play last night that if the Eagles really want to even movr up in the draft they couldn’t do it because he didn’t have the ammunition they could’ve had At their disposal due to trades and poor drafting. It came full circle last night if the case was the eagles indeed wanted to move up for a jeudy or lamb who fell slightly. 

Well I guess the good news is that for a team that sucks at drafting AND trading, they certainly have stayed competitive.   Just imagine how good they can/will be if they finally get something right!  😉

1 minute ago, PhillyMG said:

Well I guess the good news is that for a team that sucks at drafting AND trading, they certainly have stayed competitive.   Just imagine how good they can/will be if they finally get something right!  😉

I wouldn’t say they suck at drafting. They’ve drafted well at other positions. They’ve just been really bad with the high picks at corner and wide receiver. That really is killing them

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Definitely durability concerns. However in the second round I think almost all those guys that are going to be sitting there at 53 have some sort of flaw against them. his biggest flaw is durability but when he’s on the field I don’t think there’s a better wide receiver prospect outside of the top three in this draft in terms of his ceiling. If he reaches his ceiling he could be a star. I’m not so sure if he’s there at 53 there’s another player on the board that has the ceiling he has

True hes a physical freak with a high ceiling

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Hamler in the 2nd.

Thought you just said he'd be redundant?

I'd like to see the Eagles go defense tonight in round two. Like it or not, Dallas is going to have a really good offense for the next few years and we need to keep that in mind with how we build our own roster. I would prefer corner, but Safety or even DE makes a lot of sense with the value still remaining at all of these positions.

C - Diggs, Fulton, Johnson, Dantzler, Hall

S - McKinney, Delpit, Winfield, Davis, Chinn

DE - YGM, Epenesa, Baun, Lewis, Weaver

I wouldn't be against going WR if the right guy falls, but I would look to attack defense and go back to WR in round three or four.

I’m still not wowed by Reagor’s highlight reel 

1 minute ago, Green Dog said:

Thought you just said he'd be redundant?

No he was saying if we did not get Reagor, there were other options in the 2nd.

56 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

Perhaps. 

Thing is.. and this was repeated last night ad nauseam, Dallas had much bigger needs.  Both on defense and replacing Fitzgerald on the OL.

Frederick. Sorry, it's the pedant in me and I'm a fan of really good OL guys.

I just glanced at the Dallas depth chart and they are listing La'el Collins at RT. I am not a fan of his. He's strong enough but not quick.

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

True hes a physical freak with a high ceiling

It’s why at 53 I have such a hard time if he’s there saying no I’m not gonna take him. I watch them play and he reminds me physically of anquan Boldin and I think he just has a little more speed and a little more athleticism than boldin had coming into league. I don’t know if he becomes that type of player but that’s who he reminds me of when I watch him with his physical nature. 

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

I’m still not wowed by Reagor’s highlight reel 

What seems average about him?

12 minutes ago, FTheCowboys said:

What sucks is the Eagles messing up at WR last year in the draft is why they put themselves in the position to need to take a WR this year. Their previous draft mistakes showing their ripple effects. 😩

Even if they had hit on WR last season, WR still would be a need this draft.  Agholor was leaving.  Both Alshon and Desean are gone after this season.  All 3 ended the season injured.  JJaw could have looked like Jerry Rice and they still should look at adding speed.  

Just now, Khani1 said:

What seems average about him?

His QB. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I wouldn’t say they suck at drafting. They’ve drafted well at other positions. They’ve just been really bad with the high picks at corner and wide receiver. That really is killing them

They're pretty bad at drafting. 🤣

 

Just now, justrelax said:

Frederick. Sorry, it's the pedant in me and I'm a fan of really good OL guys.

I just glanced at the Dallas depth chart and they are listing La'el Collins at RT. I am not a fan of his. He's strong enough but not quick.

My bad.  Phone's autocorrect has a mind of it's own.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

His QB. 

Calling the QB average is a reach

I like Shenault now that we have Reagor. That said, I don't trust our player development at that position to get him to his ceiling. As is, he's an intriguing prospect, but not sure we'll be able to smooth out some of the rough edges around his route running. Still, with the current offensive personnel he'd be a good pick imho at 53