2 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

What seems average about him?

I just don’t think he looks all that fast/elusive on tape. Ruggs, Hamler, Bowden, and quez Watkins look faster on tape. 
 

I hope Reagor is good. Really do, and am not that upset over the pick.  But to me he just looks like a slightly enhanced version of josh huff. 

7 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

They're pretty bad at drafting. 🤣

 

I mean they drafted wentz, seumalo, vaitai, Mills, sanders, Barnett, Gerry, maddox, goedert who were major contributors. They also had backups of Pryor, smallwood, joe walker (still in the league) and sweat as backups. That’s not bad. It’s not great but it’s far from bad when you go look around the league. 

where they’ve been bad is drafting corner and WRs with high picks. It’s been terrible for them. That’s what kills their drafts is guys like jones, JJAW and douglas. Literally WRs and corners taken high makes their drafts look even worse then what they are.  Add on because of that they keep trading away high picks like three 3rd rounders they never got to use to add to their draft class

If you are looking at highlights of Reagor and are unimpressed, change the speed from super slow mo to normal and the resolution from grainy pixelation to HD.

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I just don’t think he looks all that fast/elusive on tape. Ruggs, Hamler, Bowden, and quez Watkins look faster on tape. 
 

I hope Reagor is good. Really do, and am not that upset over the pick.  But to me he just looks like a slightly enhanced version of josh huff. 

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I just don’t think he looks all that fast/elusive on tape. Ruggs, Hamler, Bowden, and quez Watkins look faster on tape. 
 

I hope Reagor is good. Really do, and am not that upset over the pick.  But to me he just looks like a slightly enhanced version of josh huff. 

Understood.  I see the opposite.  Time will tell.

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Nope Reagor did on a college field with slower competition while Hill did on an NFL field, therefore, Reagor is not fast.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I mean they drafted wentz, seumalo, vaitai, Mills, sanders, Barnett, Gerry, maddox, goedert who were major contributors. They also had backups of Pryor, smallwood, joe walker (still in the league) and sweat as backups. That’s not bad. It’s not great but it’s far from bad when you go look around the league. 

where they’ve been bad is drafting corner and WRs with high picks. It’s been terrible for them. 

This is supposed to support their case for good drafting? Yikes dude.

20 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

This is supposed to support their case for good drafting? Yikes dude.

No it’s to support the theory that because of their ineptitude at drafting corners and wide receivers high that they haven’t had 3rd round draft picks to add to the class. Add on if you look at just those pics and take out the crappy wide receivers and corners they’ve actually been about average of the league. What makes their class is so much worse is their ineptitude to draft wide receivers and corners high.

again if you’re going to beat the Eagles down on Pumphrey who is a fourth round pick or Mack hollins in the fourth round pick or fifth round pick in Shelton Gibson when most of the league is hitting 10% of those round picks then you’re going to nitpick on that. However when you look at the actual picks outside of cornerback and outside of wide receiver the guys they have actually selected have done as well as the rest of the league. the problem is the corner and wide receiver a evaluations have been gone awful and is where they are killing themselves. 
 

I’ll break it down

2019:

dillard— Jury out

miles— hit

jjaw- not looking good/miss (wr drafted high)

miller— jury out 

thorson— miss (5th rounder)

 

2018:

goedert— hit

maddox— hit 

sweat— hit (4th rounders you don’t expect to get starters. You hope but if you get quality backup that’s a hit)

Pryor— hit. Again 5/6th round usually getting backups. If they last two seasons it’s considered successful 

mailata— jury out. Fact he’s still on team as a 7th when most sevenths last 1 year 

2017:

barnett— jury out/technically he’s a starter and I’d argue he was better than graham last year 

jones— bust (high pick corner)

douglas— bust (high pick corner)

hollins— miss

punphrey— miss

gibson— miss

gerry— hit (5th rounder who’s starting and contributing) 

qualls— I’d say hot as he actually played year one for us. And most sevenths only play 1 year on nfl average 

 

2016:

wentz— hit 

seumalo— hit

smallwood— hit (5th rounder who’s a backup and still in the league after 4 seasons)

vaitai— hit

countess— hit (still in league as a 6th rounder)

mills— hit

mccalister— miss

walker— hit (contributed here for multiple years and still in league) 

so again poor drafting of WR and corners high have hurt the eagles. And trading away 3 third rounders in addition to those mistakes also contribute here. They haven’t drafted a superstar besides went but saying bad is skewed due to tow horribly evaluated positions. They haven’t been great. But they have been bad due to piss poor picks at WR and corner besides late rounders in mills and maddox. 

Reading the interviews with Howie, it sounds as though he isn’t exactly thrilled with taking Reagor at 21. Sounds like he wanted to move up but just couldn’t agree to a deal without including pick 53 which I completely get. 

5 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I just don’t think he looks all that fast/elusive on tape.

Heh...  did you see the comparison to Desean's PR?

It's almost a duplicate except for the goal line glide by Jackson at the end.

8 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

If we’re comparing players I don’t see Reagor as being the same player as Hill. I don’t see him being a Desean Jackson either. 

I more so see him in the mold of a Steve Smith. 

1 minute ago, Green Dog said:

Heh...  did you see the comparison to Desean's PR?

It's almost a duplicate except for the goal line glide by Jackson at the end.

Desean looks hella faster. 

Just now, Green Dog said:

Heh...  did you see the comparison to Desean's PR?

It's almost a duplicate except for the goal line glide by Jackson at the end.

It's also missing the epic Tom Coughlin meltdown where he nearly murdered the punter on live TV -- I think before Jackson even crossed the goal line

I suppose now is a good time to respond to the Reagor pick. I think it's a reach, and I don't care what's said about the teams behind the Eagles wanting him. If you recall, the same things were said about the Lions going to grab Agholor with a pick after, if the Eagles didn't take him. It doesn't mean it was the right pick just because another team wanted to reach too. That being said, do I like this pick better than I liked the Agholor pick? Yes. He's a better downfield threat than Agholor and a much better athlete. He plays the ball in the air like Mims and Higgins, but is much shorter. 

I do, however question his route tree and route running (yes i saw the route running video, but the fact is that compact receivers all run those same routes pretty much the same way Reagor was, so that didn't impress me; hell Duvernay ran the exact corner route with a post fake in the red zone and smoked a CB). On tape Reagor never looked 4.2 to me, which isn't a big thing for me anyways, he looked more mid 4.3's (again who cares, but it's something I noticed). He does have some insane burst off the line though, and he's a lot more agile than the combine numbers suggest.

Concentration was a big concern for me, something that did remind me of, yet again, Agholor. I think it's a different thing, though, with Reagor. I think it's more of looking to make a play instead of just being lost. 

Do I like the pick? No. Do I hate the pick? No. I do understand the pick, but I am a little concerned with where they went. I liked Jefferson a little more there, and my thinking is, hey who cares if he is a slot receiver? I'd rather have a polished slot receiver that can catch 90 passes than a deep threat receiver who needs development that catches 40-50 passes. But hey, some people like projection more than production.  

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

If we’re comparing players I don’t see Reagor as being the same player as Hill. I don’t see him being a Desean Jackson either. 

I more so see him in the mold of a Steve Smith. 

I'd take that.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

I have a London Broil in a garlic red wine marinade.  It will hit the grill later today.

Do you reduce the marinade to a sauce? I add a tsp of Better than Bouillon too, which some may consider as cheating.

1 minute ago, Mrkingofspades said:

I suppose now is a good time to respond to the Reagor pick. I think it's a reach, and I don't care what's said about the teams behind the Eagles wanting him. If you recall, the same things were said about the Lions going to grab Agholor with a pick after, if the Eagles didn't take him. It doesn't mean it was the right pick just because another team wanted to reach too. That being said, do I like this pick better than I liked the Agholor pick? Yes. He's a better downfield threat than Agholor and a much better athlete. He plays the ball in the air like Mims and Higgins, but is much shorter. 

I do, however question his route tree and route running (yes i saw the route running video, but the fact is that compact receivers all run those same routes pretty much the same way Reagor was, so that didn't impress me; hell Duvernay ran the exact corner route with a post fake in the red zone and smoked a CB). On tape Reagor never looked 4.2 to me, which isn't a big thing for me anyways, he looked more mid 4.3's (again who cares, but it's something I noticed). He does have some insane burst off the line though, and he's a lot more agile than the combine numbers suggest.

Concentration was a big concern for me, something that did remind me of, yet again, Agholor. I think it's a different thing, though, with Reagor. I think it's more of looking to make a play instead of just being lost. 

Do I like the pick? No. Do I hate the pick? No. I do understand the pick, but I am a little concerned with where they went. I liked Jefferson a little more there, and my thinking is, hey who cares if he is a slot receiver? I'd rather have a polished slot receiver that can catch 90 passes than a deep threat receiver who needs development that catches 40-50 passes. But hey, some people like projection more than production.  

Pretty much spot on.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Update:  Jennifer Hudson just finished signing Amazing Grace.  

Nah....I think it's still going bro

Just now, 315Eagles said:

I'd take that.

He'll be Steve Smith once he learns how to block, which he will with the Eagles.

5 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Reading the interviews with Howie, it sounds as though he isn’t exactly thrilled with taking Reagor at 21. Sounds like he wanted to move up but just couldn’t agree to a deal without including pick 53 which I completely get. 

If he wanted to move up that badly he would have included 53 and done so, so obviously it wasn't that important to him.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Update:  Jennifer Hudson just finished signing Amazing Grace.  

Just a hair shorter than Aretha Franklin at Thanksgiving 

Just now, Green Dog said:

He'll be Steve Smith once he learns how to block, which he will with the Eagles.

I also think he just didn't care at a certain point with how bad the offense was going.

6 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

They're pretty bad at drafting. 🤣

 

If you look at Howie's drafts post 2015, they aren't terrible.  The 2016 class has held up very well.  All of the players except McAllister, have started games in the NFL.  Wentz looks like he is the top QB of that class.  2017 has been meh but Barnett at least looks like an average NFL starter.  Jones has been a waste so far but could contribute. He did have probably the 2 biggest PBU's last season. Gerry has turned into a regular starter. Pumphrey should have never been drafted.  2018 looks good. Goedert is an ascending player.  Maddox has played well.  Pryor is a contributor.  Sweat played well last season.  The jury is out on Mailata but he played well in the preseason.  2019 is a big TBD.  We will see how Dillard performs as a starter.  Sanders was a good to great pick.  JJaw needs to show something quickly next year or he should be cut.  Miller is TBD.  Thorson was a steaming pile of trash.  

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

I have a London Broil in a garlic red wine marinade.  It will hit the grill later today.

Do you reduce the marinade to a sauce? I add a tsp of Better than Bouillon too, which some may consider as cheating.

As much as I'd like to see them go out and upgrade the defense in the second round. Higgins, Mims, and Pittman would be all be great compliments to Reagor. I wouldn't even hate Hamler and trying to emulate that Chiefs offense. Imagine Reagor at Z, Hamler in the slot, and a big possession type at the X.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I also think he just didn't care at a certain point with how bad the offense was going.

And I think the concentration issues and drop rate had alot to do with that, too.

It all gets clearer when you look deeper at the situation.

Which is why calling him a reach seems halfhearted to me.  Gotta look past the BS.