Winfield in the 2nd Claypool in the 3rd

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

If you look at Howie's drafts post 2015, they aren't terrible.  The 2016 class has held up very well.  All of the players except McAllister, have started games in the NFL.  Wentz looks like he is the top QB of that class.  2017 has been meh but Barnett at least looks like an average NFL starter.  Jones has been a waste so far but could contribute. He did have probably the 2 biggest PBU's last season. Gerry has turned into a regular starter. Pumphrey should have never been drafted.  2018 looks good. Goedert is an ascending player.  Maddox has played well.  Pryor is a contributor.  Sweat played well last season.  The jury is out on Mailata but he played well in the preseason.  2019 is a big TBD.  We will see how Dillard performs as a starter.  Sanders was a good to great pick.  JJaw needs to show something quickly next year or he should be cut.  Miller is TBD.  Thorson was a steaming pile of trash.  

It's average at best imo.

7 minutes ago, Mrkingofspades said:

I suppose now is a good time to respond to the Reagor pick. I think it's a reach, and I don't care what's said about the teams behind the Eagles wanting him. If you recall, the same things were said about the Lions going to grab Agholor with a pick after, if the Eagles didn't take him. It doesn't mean it was the right pick just because another team wanted to reach too. That being said, do I like this pick better than I liked the Agholor pick? Yes. He's a better downfield threat than Agholor and a much better athlete. He plays the ball in the air like Mims and Higgins, but is much shorter. 

I do, however question his route tree and route running (yes i saw the route running video, but the fact is that compact receivers all run those same routes pretty much the same way Reagor was, so that didn't impress me; hell Duvernay ran the exact corner route with a post fake in the red zone and smoked a CB). On tape Reagor never looked 4.2 to me, which isn't a big thing for me anyways, he looked more mid 4.3's (again who cares, but it's something I noticed). He does have some insane burst off the line though, and he's a lot more agile than the combine numbers suggest.

Concentration was a big concern for me, something that did remind me of, yet again, Agholor. I think it's a different thing, though, with Reagor. I think it's more of looking to make a play instead of just being lost. 

Do I like the pick? No. Do I hate the pick? No. I do understand the pick, but I am a little concerned with where they went. I liked Jefferson a little more there, and my thinking is, hey who cares if he is a slot receiver? I'd rather have a polished slot receiver that can catch 90 passes than a deep threat receiver who needs development that catches 40-50 passes. But hey, some people like projection more than production.  

It is a reach but Reagor was seen as a 1st rounder by many.  

Were there better prospects?  Sure but they must love this guy and felt strongly about him.

If they took a DE or CB then there might not be any good WR at 53.

Atlanta to me reached the most.  Taking Terrell instead of Chaisson was dumb.  Yes they need CB but not him and not that early.

If all of these folks are gone at 53, I say trade back and pick up an extra 3rd (not in any particular order):

• Xavier McKinney
• Grant Delpit
• A.J. Epenesa
• Zach Baun
• Tee Higgins
• Trevon Diggs
• Yetur Gross-Matos
• Laviska Shenault Jr.
• Kristian Fulton
• Jaylon Johnson
• Jonathan Taylor
• K.J. Hamler
• Terrell Lewis
• Antoine Winfield Jr.
• Denzel Mims

3 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

And I think the concentration issues and drop rate had alot to do with that, too.

It all gets clearer when you look deeper at the situation.

Which is why calling him a reach seems halfhearted to me.  Gotta look past the BS.

I see that people are digging in their heels. I suspect that no amount of evidence will dissuade them.

32 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s why at 53 I have such a hard time if he’s there saying no I’m not gonna take him. I watch them play and he reminds me physically of anquan Boldin and I think he just has a little more speed and a little more athleticism than boldin had coming into league. I don’t know if he becomes that type of player but that’s who he reminds me of when I watch him with his physical nature. 

Thats a good comp except i agree i think shenault if faster but man boldin sure was tough.

Fascinated to see what they do at 53. Very interesting crop of potential day 2 guys. Laviska, Grant Delpit, Jeremy Chinn, Kyle Dugger, Terrell Lewis. All interesting for different reasons. I wonder if the Eagles would be more likely to draft a Chinn/Dugger type this year than recent years. Crazy athleticism.

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

It's average at best imo.

That’s fine. I never said doing great. Shouldn’t have said well. Average. The thing killing the eagles is piss poor evaluations at WR and high round busts at corner. 

legit The miss evaluations on WRs and early round corners has cost the eagles 3 3rd round picks. Also why they haven’t had great amount of picks. They would be better than average imo if they didn’t suck at draft WRs and evaluating high rounder corners. 

6 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Do you reduce the marinade to a sauce? I add a tsp of Better than Bouillon too, which some may consider as cheating.

such an OG move, especially in the current COVID climate. I always try to use every little bit in my cooking, but it has been cranked up as of late

30 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Calling the QB average is a reach

Agreed. 

9 minutes ago, Mrkingofspades said:

Do I like the pick? No. Do I hate the pick? No. I do understand the pick, but I am a little concerned with where they went. I liked Jefferson a little more there, and my thinking is, hey who cares if he is a slot receiver? I'd rather have a polished slot receiver that can catch 90 passes than a deep threat receiver who needs development that catches 40-50 passes. But hey, some people like projection more than production

I don't have a problem with this sentiment, but I believe it's unlikely the Eagles double up with another WR in the 2nd round.  Once you get to the 3rd and 4th round WR prospects there are many more talented slot WR than there are available guys who can play outside WR.  I believe their choices will be guys like Hamler, Duvernay, Van Jefferson, Quartney Davis, etc. who all perform better out of the slot.  The outside guys like Higgins, Pittman, etc. will likely be off the board by pick #53

It could be worse.

We could have been Packers fans last night after their first pick.

Just now, Utebird said:

Thats a good comp except i agree i think shenault if faster but man boldin sure was tough.

I agree. I think boldin is probably a little more tough. However I think shenault is going to deliver a blow to a defender if he has a chance. It’s in his nature. I’ve posted this before but my favorite shenault play is this, the kid plays tough  

What do draftniks think of 4th round and later potential WR targets after we get our two studs on D in the 2nd and 3rd?

Quez Watkins

Donovan Peoples-Jones

Antonio Gandy-Golden

Devin Duvernay

Van Jefferson

Lynn Bowden

Antonio Gibson

Tyler Johnson

Gabriel Davis

Bryan Edwards

I'm thinking we try to grab one (or more) of these dudes in the 4th round and onwards.

11 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Update:  Jennifer Hudson just finished signing Amazing Grace.  

Ugh, I hope tonight isn't on par with last nights covid overkill.  Am I wrong for saying it's overdone?  Let's get a drinking game set up.

We are in unprecedented times- 1 shot

We are in this together- 2 shots

In this new normal- chug

Stay home, be safe- slit your wrist

As we face an uncertain future- jello shot

 

2 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

It could be worse.

We could have been Packers fans last night after their first pick.

That was a total FU move to Rodgers. They went 13-3 last season, were one game away from the Super Bowl, had obvious missing pieces at receiver, and they draft a future project QB. 

16 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

This is supposed to support their case for good drafting? Yikes dude.

It's not terrible unless you think a team should hit on every pick.  

8 minutes ago, Mrkingofspades said:

 

Do I like the pick? No. Do I hate the pick? No. I do understand the pick, but I am a little concerned with where they went. I liked Jefferson a little more there, and my thinking is, hey who cares if he is a slot receiver? I'd rather have a polished slot receiver that can catch 90 passes than a deep threat receiver who needs development that catches 40-50 passes. But hey, some people like projection more than production.  

I don't think the difference is that dramatic.  My thought was the team needed the best WR available but they also need speed to open up space on the field.  Reagor gives them that speed more than Jefferson would have.  I would have been fine if they had drafted Jefferson but I think adding Jefferson alone still leaves them needing to add speed at the receiver position. 

6 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

It is a reach but Reagor was seen as a 1st rounder by many.  

Were there better prospects?  Sure but they must love this guy and felt strongly about him.

If they took a DE or CB then there might not be any good WR at 53.

Atlanta to me reached the most.  Taking Terrell instead of Chaisson was dumb.  Yes they need CB but not him and not that early.

I think atlanta really wanted to cornerback and reached because they have a massive hole. And I believe Atlanta didn’t want to move out of 16 because they knew Mike Mayock at 19 was going to take AJ Terrell because last year guys took guys way earlier from those Clemson and those type of schools then people projected. 

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

It's not terrible unless you think a team should hit on every pick.  

I don't think the difference is that dramatic.  My thought was the team needed the best WR available but they also need speed to open up space on the field.  Reagor gives them that speed more than Jefferson would have.  I would have been fine if they had drafted Jefferson but I think adding Jefferson alone still leaves them needing to add speed at the receiver position. 

Yeah, I don't think it's been terrible. "Pretty bad" is what I used. A lot of high misses.

3 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

That was a total FU move to Rodgers. They went 13-3 last season, were one game away from the Super Bowl, had obvious missing pieces at receiver, and they draft a future project QB. 

Not only that he was on the radio I want to say like two hours before saying the Packers haven’t drafted a skill position players on offense in 15 years. I can’t imagine today he’s going to be super thrilled that they drafted his future replacement and he expects to play until 40 and they desperately need a wide receiver because outside of Adam’s they don’t have much 

2 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

What do draftniks think of 4th round and later potential WR targets after we get our two studs on D in the 2nd and 3rd?

Quez Watkins

Donovan Peoples-Jones

Antonio Gandy-Golden

Devin Duvernay

Van Jefferson

Lynn Bowden

Antonio Gibson

Tyler Johnson

Gabriel Davis

Bryan Edwards

I'm thinking we try to grab one (or more) of these dudes in the 4th round and onwards.

Any of the bolded above would be just fine with me -- or Quartney Davis

7 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

It's average at best imo.

Well average isn't entirely subjective.  If you had to take classes in their entirety since 2016, how many teams' drafts would you take over the Eagles's classes. 

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

I know people are going to quote Reagor’s 4.47, and I’m just a dude on a message board, but there’s no chance that’s his true speed. He carried too much weight. I promise he’s a 4.40 at worst guy. 

Id say hes faster than that even. 

He was a guy I didnt care about at first so I hardly paid attention to him. When I finally watched him I said, Im totally ok with him at 21 because thats DeSean Jackson speed. Hes not just fast.  Hes got that game changing kind of speed. Then I got worried about his run blocking and attitude. And I still am. But its clear he is what we needed. Im totally ok with this pick, and as the board fell I thought he should have been the pick over Jefferson, and even woulda taken him over Lamb based on the fit. 

Another former player that reminds me of Reagor is Hines Ward. 

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think the difference is that dramatic.  My thought was the team needed the best WR available but they also need speed to open up space on the field.  Reagor gives them that speed more than Jefferson would have.  I would have been fine if they had drafted Jefferson but I think adding Jefferson alone still leaves them needing to add speed at the receiver position. 

Not only that, if we had added a polished slot receiver that can catch 90 passes to what we have in Ertz and Goedert, this is what Wentz would be looking to throw through in the middle of the field: