1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Should I pretend we have an extra 3rd as well?  

Yeah, his name is Slay.

5 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

A few problems to your argument

-Slay is 29, Jones will turn 28 in September

-Slay is better

-Slay has 19 career INT's, Jones has 2

-Slay got less guaranteed money

-Slay wanted to come here, Jones chose not to

 

Doesn't matter.  Howie should have just made him come here, just like he should have made the Falcons trade us their pick even though they didn't want to 

 

1 minute ago, FTheCowboys said:

You notice how this logic only applies to cynical PoV?

You never see that logic being applied to people who say they love the draft pick and think he will be a star and be the best WR in the draft class. No one says "Oh, so you've already come to this conclusion this soon, how about waiting and seeing what happens first?" It only applies to cynicism. It's a valid point, just wish people were consistent with it.

But I don't know what to tell you man, that's my opinion. Everyone has opinions on players. If we all waited 3 years to see who became what, draft debate wouldn't exist in the first place.

You said picking Reagor is a DISGRACE and that Howie FAILED. These are very extreme views. If you don't see how flawed those comments are a day after the guy was drafted then I don't know what to tell you. Either way, if you notice my response did not include saying that Reagor is a lock to be a SUPERSTAR and that it's the GREATEST pick ever. So your retort makes no sense.

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think Jones wanted to come to the Eagles.  He said as much.  If they couldn't land Jones, getting Slay was the next best thing.  

He didn't say that, someone reported he didn't want to stay in the NFC East. Others reported he went to the team that offered him the most money.

 

22 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

28 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I never said Reagor isn’t up there with their speed. I’ve actually said he’s not like 10 times 

I am copying and pasting your reply to me from less than 2 hours ago....

 

I just don’t think he looks all that fast/elusive on tape. Ruggs, Hamler, Bowden, and quez Watkins look faster on tape. 

@Iggles_Phan

3 minutes ago, obedt said:

@purplefiggy

Level of confidence with JJAW is a 3, given 1 is all hope is lost. Hard for me to believe he'll be worth his draft stock. He may be of some use in certain packages. 

Maybe my number is higher because I've lowered my expectations.  I'm still hopeful he won't be a bust, but he certainly isn't stopping me from grabbing a second WR tonight if we get that chance. 

Howie needs to stop holding onto all his Uno Reverse cards and lay those suckers down already

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Wrong answer.  We had him before the draft.   

Keep it up and we will tell your wife where you will be hiding out for the draft tonight!

19 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Combine that with his max mph, which would have topped all NFL ball carriers in 2019 and you can paint the picture that his added weight really effed him at the combine. 

He’s no worse than the third fastest WR in the draft. 

I think it's very very possible that his true 40 time would be about 4.3... maybe a little under, maybe a little over.  But, to me the 'true speed' measured on the field is all that matters.  Drafting a guy who runs fast in shorts and that doesn't translate to the field means nothing.  People said Jefferson's speed didn't really show up on tape.  And to a certain extent, that's true.   He's fast enough, imo, but not truly 'fast'.  Mims ran really fast at the Combine.  Sub-4.4.  But, did that really show up on the film and equate to separation?  It didn't seem to to me.  

 

The fact that he hit 22.6 mph on the field, in a game, in a real situation, with the ball in his hands, in pads, cleats, on grass, and wearing a helmet means way more to me than what he does in shorts, tshirt, no pads, track stance, indoors, on astroturf.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Howie needs to stop holding onto all his Uno Reverse cards and lay those suckers down already

Yep.  He needs to just tell the first 7 teams picking at the top of round 2 to trade us their picks even though they don't want to.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not sure what you were watching.   Some of his cuts only Hamler is capable of.    I'm a fan of Bowden, but he's not got the same elusiveness.   And in a number of those highlights, you'll see Reagor put it into neutral at a certain point, because he's that far away from the defense.

Some questioned reagors speed. Some questioned Hamlers speed.

Its just amazing that people can watch these guys and not see it. I have no idea how that is possible. 

Just now, T-1000 said:

You said picking Reagor is a DISGRACE and that Howie FAILED. These are very extreme views. If you don't see how flawed those comments are a day after the guy was drafted then I don't know what to tell you. Either way, if you notice my response did not include saying that Reagor is a lock to be a SUPERSTAR and that it's the GREATEST pick ever. So your retort makes no sense.

No, I said Reagor being their biggest WR addition of the offseason is a disgrace. That is very different. And I was speaking generally. Not one poster in here has rebutted any positive talk about how good Reagor is going to be with "you have no idea how Reagor is going to look, so let's just wait and see him play a down of football first." Those responses only come when there is cynicism. Not just you, everyone does it.

22 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Shenault is very tempting tonight.

feels like it will be logan wilson a round too early though

safety would probably be best value if we stay put 

Not possible.  The first round is over already.  Wilson is a guy that belongs in Round 2, but would be ridiculous value in Round 3.  No way he lasts to 103.  He'd be very unlikely to last to 65.

4 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

 

How come it's never - this is the worst draft in decades; none of these players will even sniff an NFL field. 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Doesn't matter.  Howie should have just made him come here, just like he should have made the Falcons trade us their pick even though they didn't want to 

 

If there was an option to love your post, I would. This brings everything together perfectly. I said earlier, I think people do too many mock drafts online where if the value is remotely fair they get to trade up automatically if they want. I would also add to that that in the world of PS3 you can just sign or trade for just about any player you want. This has seriously blurred the lines of reality to where people seem to think that in the real world it just automatically works that way. Forget the common sense of the fact that Jones chose to go to Miami because that's where he wanted to go. Or the fact that Atlanta chose a corner at 16 with two corner needy teams in Dallas/Vegas right behind them and they probably didn't want to trade down to 21. It's mind boggling how when people become emotionally invested in things they seem to stop using their brains.

I can't believe I'm flopping on this, but I'm really interested in trading for Samuel.

4th & 5th for Samuel (does that get it done? Throw in Rasul?).  Have Samuel learn the X and spend some time in the slot.  

As I argued before, I don't like him as our deep threat offseason addition.  But that's not a problem anymore.  Reagor and Samuel out wide could be very, very exciting.  Both with speed to burn, both very shifty with the ball in their hands.  Reagor is better deep, Samuel more of a weapon underneath...but he at least projects as a deep weapon as well.

With them as your 1/2...brace yourselves...I might actually take another look at JJAW as the #3.  A physical, box-out, possession WR with big sticky mitts could be a nice complement to a pair of track stars.  

That frees up 53 for a safety of the future and leaves us with two 4th round picks to fortify LB/RB.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Some questioned reagors speed. Some questioned Hamlers speed.

Its just amazing that people can watch these guys and not see it. I have no idea how that is possible. 

Are you questioning the unemployed TATE draft experts.

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

How come it's never - this is the worst draft in decades; none of these players will even sniff an NFL field. 

We kinda heard that in 2013.

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

If there was an option to love your post, I would. 

I will take this post as you loving my post.

1 minute ago, FTheCowboys said:

No, I said Reagor being their biggest WR addition of the offseason is a disgrace. That is very different. And I was speaking generally. Not one poster in here has rebutted any positive talk about how good Reagor is going to be with "you have no idea how Reagor is going to look, so let's just wait and see him play a down of football first." Those responses only come when there is cynicism. Not just you, everyone does it.

Cool, so now we are arguing over semantics. Almost as good as your argument that the Eagles got an older corner in Slay who is 29 years old, over that youngster Jones who is going to turn 28 in September. 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Howie needs to stop holding onto all his Uno Reverse cards and lay those suckers down already

It would be nice if he had a draw 4 card to lay down. 

41 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

scale of 1-10 

10= still fully believe JJAW will become a productive WR for this team

1= completely given up on JJAW 

where do you net out?  

3

I haven’t completely given up, but everything I didn’t like about the pick seemed to be confirmed.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I can't believe I'm flopping on this, but I'm really interested in trading for Samuel.

4th & 5th for Samuel (does that get it done? Throw in Rasul?).  Have Samuel learn the X and spend some time in the slot.  

As I argued before, I don't like him as our deep threat offseason addition.  But that's not a problem anymore.  Reagor and Samuel out wide could be very, very exciting.  Both with speed to burn, both very shifty with the ball in their hands.  Reagor is better deep, Samuel more of a weapon underneath...but he at least projects as a deep weapon as well.

With them as your 1/2...brace yourselves...I might actually take another look at JJAW as the #3.  A physical, box-out, possession WR with big sticky mitts could be a nice complement to a pair of track stars.  

That frees up 53 for a safety of the future and leaves us with two 4th round picks to fortify LB/RB.

Welcome.