clearly the plan for the team is give wentz two more years to win another superbowl.  howie is having visions in his head of plundering another team by trading them wentz and lowballing hurts on a contract when he is the eventual starter.

this isn't about surrounding wentz with the best talent, it is maximizing what you can get for wentz as the eagles wouldn't "need" to trade him...  but wentz would fetch the largest return.

even if wentz does not win another super bowl here, he'll win enough games for howie to move him and get a lot in return.  howie DOES NOT want to give wentz a second contract.

My angry post.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

So is not having graphics in your sig.  2003 called.  

Make it easy for me to spot my post when refreshing.

We want Hurts to be great so we can trade him for a first. That’s one of only two ways you win this pick

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

Why?

QB is by far the most important position. If you can win an extra 3 games per season with a second round pick, that’s a GREAT return.

And if you can win 3 because you have receivers that a quarterback can count on that's not great return?

We can still trade last years first round LT for a 3rd round pick to draft a tier 4 WR.  Don't lose hope.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Oh, I think he's going to be on the field in the red zone constantly.  But, he needs to prove that he can be a RB type runner.  He's big, so that's good.   Runs well, so that's good.  But, as a thrower, he's a one read QB more than anything else.  I suppose it makes the Philly Special into the 'Philly Usual' now in the red zone though.  

why?  why on earth would we need Hurts in the red zone, that is where Wentz excels. 

This pick makes zero sense to me, it reeks of arrogance.

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

This is what I'd ask Howie at the PC.

Arent there other needs on the team you can address with a 2nd round pick besides backup QB?

Where and how do they plan on using Hurts?

Sudz is your backup insurance. This is...

Howie's arrogance makes me sick. 

We showed Carson how much we value him by investing picks in him and giving him an extension.  What picks is he talking about exactly?  The ones used to draft him or JJAW, Mack Hollins and now Reagor?

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

this is why philly fans have the reputation they have. how stupid...

Idc. Call me whatever you'd like

1 minute ago, blindside said:

We want Hurts to be great so we can trade him for a first. That’s one of only two ways you win this pick

If he has the opportunity to be great it means we'll be trading Wentz.

1 minute ago, D-Shiznit said:

As the Tuna said, "if you have two QBs, you have no QBs". This is a tried and tested truth in the NFL.

The Tuna must have missed Bledsoe and Brady, Wentz and Foles, Green and Warner, etc etc etc.

 

 

1 minute ago, blindside said:

We want Hurts to be great so we can trade him for a first. That’s one of only two ways you win this pick

That’s Howie’s argument but it’s nonsensical. A second round pick today is worth as much more than a future first.

And it’s totally messed up to draft a player high in the draft with the hopes that you can trade him in the future.

Howie saying this draft isn't for the short term makes me think this is the thought process:

1. Develop Hurts

2. Showcase Hurts in high probability plays 

3. Trade Hurts by 2022 for a kings ransom

5 minutes ago, AzBirdGang said:

These stats are completely bonkers. 

 

5149 yards of offense with 52 TD's in only 14 games.   He's a TD machine for sure. 

Just now, bpac55 said:

 

Understatement 

Just now, bpac55 said:

Howie's arrogance makes me sick. 

We showed Carson how much we value him by investing picks in him and giving him an extension.  What picks is he talking about exactly?  The ones used to draft him or JJAW, Mack Hollins and now Reagor?

Honestly it does feel like one of those picks for the Eagles where they think they are the smartest person in the room. This could (probably likely) winds up eventually catching back up to them where it blows up in their face where somebody around that picK that they could’ve had and made an immediate impact winds up being a really good player and you have a back up quarterback to Carson Wentz for three years.  then you’re going to have to trade him to somebody or he’s gonna walk after year four

3 minutes ago, blindside said:

It’s a different kind of reach. It’s like drafting a TE in round one. We don’t need it and have assets tied up in that position. But this is worse

You mean like that time we drafted a TE with our top pick to back up our pro-bowl TE?

 

Just now, TEW said:

The Tuna must have missed Bledsoe and Brady, Wentz and Foles, Green and Warner, etc etc etc.

 

None of the latters were high picks drafted in the middle of the starters prime.

Damn. That’s a great trade down. 

10 minutes ago, TEW said:

There is no positive outcome next year where Hurts is a significant contributor?

Well, you don’t buy insurance for positive outcomes. You get insurance to mitigate negative outcomes.

And it isn’t just about next year. It’s about the 4 years of value you get from the pick. If you get a good backup who wins you a super bowl like Foles did, then would anyone complain? If he starts 4 games per season while Carson is hurt, and the rest of the time he gives Hill type production, and then you flip him for a bunch of draft picks, wouldn’t that be a win?

Like I said, it’s not what I would have done, but there is definitely some sound thinking to support the pick.

Except Hurts is a marginal NFL QB prospect.   

9 minutes ago, TEW said:

There is no positive outcome next year where Hurts is a significant contributor?

Well, you don’t buy insurance for positive outcomes. You get insurance to mitigate negative outcomes.

And it isn’t just about next year. It’s about the 4 years of value you get from the pick. If you get a good backup who wins you a super bowl like Foles did, then would anyone complain? If he starts 4 games per season while Carson is hurt, and the rest of the time he gives Hill type production, and then you flip him for a bunch of draft picks, wouldn’t that be a win?

Like I said, it’s not what I would have done, but there is definitely some sound thinking to support the pick.

Well, I will say this is a pick that could make the Eagles look smart if Wentz gets injured again in coming seasons, and if Hurts actually proves to be a quality backup that can win games.   And I understand the economics of Hurts making peanuts over the next 4 years as a backup QB, which helps the Eagles cap situation.

Basically Hurts is a very expensive (in pick terms) insurance policy with a very low salary cap cost (relative for a QB).

But the Eagles will get ripped for this pick until or unless something happens for Hurts to prove his worth.

And Josh Jones goes to Arizona...

Just now, eagle45 said:

If he has the opportunity to be great it means we'll be trading Wentz.

we are trading wentz in two seasons..  howie DOES NOT want to give him a second contract.  wentz WILL win enough games (if not a super bowl) to demand breaking the bank.  the hurts pick ensures howie can offload wentz (get a ransom in return to a team REALLY in need), and have hurts take over.  and oh yeah, howie can lowball hurts on a contract as he hasn't really been playing much.