4 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

This scenario is bound to happen this year... Wentz leads the team down to the 5 yard line... Wentz comes out for the "Hurts package”, and BOOM, turnover! 

It's why I'm not buying this Taysom Hill explanation. Wentz is one of the best red zone QBs in the league. Taking him out of the game there puts you in a significant disadvantage. There has to be more to this. Either they don't view him as the future or Wentz has told them something about how he only wants to play a couple more years. Or they're just tired of failing at later round QB picks and decided to overdraft a backup QB in the second as insurance. 

Couple points...if your franchise doesn't think you are the franchise QB, then no matter how good you are, you AREN'T a franchise QB.  

Let's just put the scenarios on paper, all of them, no matter how ridiculous:

1.  They saw that our season has ended in the hands of a backup QB for 3 consecutive years and consequently felt that there could be no better use of resources than in our backup QB.

2. They want to spend a 2nd round pick on Taysom Hill 2.0.

3.  They do not want a second mega-extension for Wentz and want to trade Wentz in 3-4 years and extend Hurts for a modest price.

4.  They want to completely re-engineer the dynamics of offense in football with two passing QB's in the backfield of a base offense.

5.  Wentz has whispered to Howie/Doug about retiring in a couple years.

Option 1, 3, 5...Wentz is not a franchise QB here.

Option 2 & 4...Howie and Doug need to be committed to a state-run facility.

We are screwed in any of these scenarios.  It doesn't play out well in any scenario.

10 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Meh.  We don't know how fast he will develop.  If he's a "high character guy, intelligent, learns fast" like his profile seems to show, he could very well be (somewhat) ready to go by late in the season.  

he’s going to be the 3rd guy behind sudfeld because he knows the system as he’s been in it for 3 years. Let’s not pretend the eagles didn’t just pay sudfeld 2 mil to just be the third string QB. 

Also you can be intelligent but when you don’t have an entire summer to work with coaches and players on the team it’s much harder to be successful at QB. No offense JJAW was also highly intelligent (He was at Stanford as well) and high character. He struggled with the playbook and looked lost at times. That’s the life of a rookie much of the time for rookie QBs and you are asking him now to do it without all the advantages they normally get. 

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

BS

Before I check out for the night... Reagor isn’t that fast. Our new linebacker looks just as fast as him on tape. 

13 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

 

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

and my response to both of these are:

 

WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?      So we couldn't do without Hurts on this team? Like there was no way this team could play a down this year without Jalen Hurts sitting on the sideline carrying a clipboard? 

 

5 minutes ago, blindside said:

Right now, if Desean is healthy, you might be ok at WR if Ward is a starting caliber slot WR. One injury and JJAW is starting. Two injuries and you’re back to multiple practice squad WRs starting. Again, I talked to Alshon’s uncle and he’s not playing this season, and if he does it will be really late in the season and his legs won’t be in shape because both feet are injured. We have what we have. Unless you think Gibson has taken a huge step, our WRs are in bad shape 

While I agree with this, last year would suggest that we are about 10-12 injuries from JJAW starting.  First we've got to go through the practice squad, street TE's, and part of Villanova's roster before JJAW's number is called.  

With today's picks the Eagles are screaming to the fans that they really have no desire to compete for a SB in 2020. If they don't care, why should we?

And the worst part is since Howie's going nowhere. And we'll have no reason to be excited about next offseason. How could we after this?

The dude stood up on that podium after and apologized for the last two offseasons and promised to get it right and this is the best he can come up with? One skill player for your QB and taking his backup in the 2nd round? GTFOH.

36 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Thought exercise...

Would Hurts be able to win a playoff game if we end up in the same situation as last season?

that has to be the thought process here, a cheap Back up qb, who could win a Playoff game, athletically.

3 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Before I check out for the night... Reagor isn’t that fast. Our new linebacker looks just as fast as him on tape. 

Whatever.  I liked the Reagor pick.  If him being a bust helps us get a new GM, then maybe we'll be better off if you're right.

Who ended up drafting mims? I missed out where he went to

 

 

It's pretty obvious it comes down to the Eagles' having concerns about Wentz' longevity/health.  Let's be frank, Wentz has had season ending injuries over the past 3 seasons. 

Howie: "My job is different.  My job is to protect the organization."

It's clear as day that they are concerned over Wentz staying healthy, imo.

 

 

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Couple points...if your franchise doesn't think you are the franchise QB, then no matter how good you are, you AREN'T a franchise QB.  

Let's just put the scenarios on paper, all of them, no matter how ridiculous:

1.  They saw that our season has ended in the hands of a backup QB for 3 consecutive years and consequently felt that there could be no better use of resources than in our backup QB.

2. They want to spend a 2nd round pick on Taysom Hill 2.0.

3.  They do not want a second mega-extension for Wentz and want to trade Wentz in 3-4 years and extend Hurts for a modest price.

4.  They want to completely re-engineer the dynamics of offense in football with two passing QB's in the backfield of a base offense.

5.  Wentz has whispered to Howie/Doug about retiring in a couple years.

Option 1, 3, 5...Wentz is not a franchise QB here.

Option 2 & 4...Howie and Doug need to be committed to a state-run facility.

We are screwed in any of these scenarios.  It doesn't play out well in any scenario.

Kapadia asked the question to Roseman in his PC and totally stumped him where he had to dodge around it: "What is the best case scenario that comes out of this?" The answer is that Hurts never sees the field because that would mean Wentz is healthy and winning games. But Roseman can't answer with that because that would mean you essentially wasted a second on an insurance policy.

Just now, tuffstuff07 said:

Who ended up drafting mims? I missed out where he went to

Jets.

Could have been us but 🤔

20 minutes ago, Double said:

Stuff Howie into that checked baggage of yours.

He'd be useful to help find busts on a beach vacation.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Whatever.  I liked the Reagor pick.  If him being a bust helps us get a new GM, then maybe we'll be better off if you're right.

It was the right type of player. Pre-combine I didn’t think he looked all-world fast on tape then his 4.47 proved me right. If he brings a level of physicality to his game the way Steve Smith used, it’ll be a good pick. Just don’t think he’s an all world burner like Desean. 

6 minutes ago, tuffstuff07 said:

Who ended up drafting mims? I missed out where he went to

I think the Jets 

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Couple points...if your franchise doesn't think you are the franchise QB, then no matter how good you are, you AREN'T a franchise QB.  

Let's just put the scenarios on paper, all of them, no matter how ridiculous:

1.  They saw that our season has ended in the hands of a backup QB for 3 consecutive years and consequently felt that there could be no better use of resources than in our backup QB.

2. They want to spend a 2nd round pick on Taysom Hill 2.0.

3.  They do not want a second mega-extension for Wentz and want to trade Wentz in 3-4 years and extend Hurts for a modest price.

4.  They want to completely re-engineer the dynamics of offense in football with two passing QB's in the backfield of a base offense.

5.  Wentz has whispered to Howie/Doug about retiring in a couple years.

Option 1, 3, 5...Wentz is not a franchise QB here.

Option 2 & 4...Howie and Doug need to be committed to a state-run facility.

We are screwed in any of these scenarios.  It doesn't play out well in any scenario.

Exactly. I’d argue there are a few more options. But none of them make sense. There’s zero justification. And it pisses me off that Howie said "drafting Jalen has nothing to do with Wentz”. Either he’s lying or he’s dumb. You passed on weapons for Carson for Hurts. So that has everything to do with Carson. It hurts Carson. No pun intended. You made a decision that an insurance policy is more important than making what you’re insuring better. It’s like owning a car that needs work, but instead of spending money to fix your car, you buy another car that’s not as good in case your current car breaks down. This isn’t WR position. Two WRs can be better than one better one because you can have more than one on the field at once. You should never have more than one QB on the field. If you’re committed to your car, you don’t buy a second one. You fix your current car. If you own a 2017 Corvette with some issues, you fix it. You don’t buy a 2015 Corvette. If anything, you might buy a 2013 Honda Civic as a beater in case your Corvette needs work to get you around. But you don’t spend the money on an expensive Corvette just in case. Your wife would kill you. Eagles fans are Howie’s wife right now, and Howie rightfully isn’t getting any booty for a while. 

Do you guys really believe Howie was the key influencer of the Hurts pick? 
 

This is drunk Uncle Doug. 

20 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Before I check out for the night... Reagor isn’t that fast. Our new linebacker looks just as fast as him on tape. 

Reagor hit like 22 or 23 mph in game speed. He's fast.

Bare with me here, I'm trying to find some positive with the Hurts pick... The coaching staff has made a lot of coaches from differing backgrounds. Morningwheg (spelling) with the Ravens offense most recently, Scangarello with the Broncos (shannahan esque), and now consider Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts has experience in Lincoln Riley's system. Some part of this I have to believe is not only adding a backup QB/gadget player, but also adding in another mind from a potent offensive background. I might be reaching here, but I have to look for some positive. 

Serious though, if this ends up being a plan that Wentz isn't the long term QB and Hurts is. I don't know if I can root for that right away. 

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

I think the Jets 

I called it, about twenty picks too early. Joe Douglas won this bout. Howie either lied or doesn’t use logic and either way I’m not a fan. But my take is that this was on Doug too. He looked elated when they picked Hurts. Howie doesn’t make this move without his blessing. 
 

At the end of the season, Howie said the offseason was all about getting Carson weapons. They got him one. Nothing in FA. They traded for a CB. And they drafted one WR in the top half of the draft. Then Hurts. Agholor and Clement left. They lost more offensive players than they gained, although Reagor is better than both. But this isn’t exactly commitment to helping Wentz. It’s more like giving up on him and setting him up for failure. We now have to bank on Desean staying healthy, JJAW taking a giant leap just to not suck, and Ward beating all odds and becoming a dynamic slot WR. If those things don’t happen, we’re gonna have practice squad players starting at WR again. How is that best for the team. You want to be a QB factory? Fine. Prove you are one. They haven’t. And pick QBs when your roster is solid enough to take risks. Right now we drafted a project at QB and  "filled a hole at LB” with another project. That’s a lot of betting. The house never loses. You can get lucky and win sometimes. But at some point you have to invest in something real. If you think you’re gonna make a living off beating the house, you’re gonna be bumming money before long. 

17 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Couple points...if your franchise doesn't think you are the franchise QB, then no matter how good you are, you AREN'T a franchise QB.  

Let's just put the scenarios on paper, all of them, no matter how ridiculous:

1.  They saw that our season has ended in the hands of a backup QB for 3 consecutive years and consequently felt that there could be no better use of resources than in our backup QB.

2. They want to spend a 2nd round pick on Taysom Hill 2.0.

3.  They do not want a second mega-extension for Wentz and want to trade Wentz in 3-4 years and extend Hurts for a modest price.

4.  They want to completely re-engineer the dynamics of offense in football with two passing QB's in the backfield of a base offense.

5.  Wentz has whispered to Howie/Doug about retiring in a couple years.

Option 1, 3, 5...Wentz is not a franchise QB here.

Option 2 & 4...Howie and Doug need to be committed to a state-run facility.

We are screwed in any of these scenarios.  It doesn't play out well in any scenario.

It’s entirely possible that someone’s just in love with Hurts and this turns out to be just a bad pick.  
 

I hate the pick.  I’d rather Fromm.  I don’t think this is indicative of any of the above scenarios however.  Could be just a bad pick by a bad GM, or maybe we’re all idiots and Hurts is Russell Wilson and will yield us a 1st or a Lombardi trophy at some point in the future.

Just now, eaglesflyers#1 said:

Reagor hit like 22 or 23 mph in game speed. He's fast.

Derrick Henry hit some crazy speed too this season. He’s by no means a burner. 

Just now, krzyroone07 said:

It’s entirely possible that someone’s just in love with Hurts and this turns out to be just a bad pick.  
 

I hate the pick.  I’d rather Fromm.  I don’t think this is indicative of any of the above scenarios however.  Could be just a bad pick by a bad GM, or maybe we’re all idiots and Hurts is Russell Wilson and will yield us a 1st or a Lombardi trophy at some point in the future.

Even in that best case scenario, that means they wasted a fifth of our cap on Wentz. Either way they messed up. Either Wentz is the guy you paid for and Hurts is a waste, or Hurts is a steal and you shouldn’t have paid Carson. It can’t be both.