4 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

Reagor hit like 22 or 23 mph in game speed. He's fast.

Yep.  And he's really strong.  He benches 380 lbs and squats 600 lbs.  With a 42" vertical.  He won't just be a speed threat....with that type of strength and vertical, he will be able to push off the line and even contest jump balls. 

2 minutes ago, Mrkingofspades said:

Bare with me here, I'm trying to find some positive with the Hurts pick... The coaching staff has made a lot of coaches from differing backgrounds. Morningwheg (spelling) with the Ravens offense most recently, Scangarello with the Broncos (shannahan esque), and now consider Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts has experience in Lincoln Riley's system. Some part of this I have to believe is not only adding a backup QB/gadget player, but also adding in another mind from a potent offensive background. I might be reaching here, but I have to look for some positive. 

Serious though, if this ends up being a plan that Wentz isn't the long term QB and Hurts is. I don't know if I can root for that right away. 

i ask this honestly:

what organizations do you see taking QBs in round 1-2 that have a "franchise QB” that are not looking for the eventual successor at QB cause that QB is old (Rodgers, favre) or they don’t think they can go any further with a certain QB (Alex smith)? I’m guessing not many. 

 

1 minute ago, krzyroone07 said:

It’s entirely possible that someone’s just in love with Hurts and this turns out to be just a bad pick.  
 

I hate the pick.  I’d rather Fromm.  I don’t think this is indicative of any of the above scenarios however.  Could be just a bad pick by a bad GM, or maybe we’re all idiots and Hurts is Russell Wilson and will yield us a 1st or a Lombardi trophy at some point in the future.

I understand the rationale of committing to drafting BPA, even if it is a position that seems to be filled.

But every pick needs to have a vision and a plan.  You've got to think about a path to the field, best case scenario, most likely scenario, worst case scenario, ramifications.  Every one of those things is ugly with this pick.

At best, we are picking scared.  Scared is no way to go through a draft.

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Derrick Henry hit some crazy speed too this season. He’s by no means a burner. 

Your distaste for Reagor is intense. Henry didn’t hit that speed. In fact no one has in college or NFL in 3 years. I get wishing we got  Lamb. But if you don’t see Reagor being fast, elusive, and having huge ups and high point ability in his tape, then you’re not trying to see it. It’s one thing to not like a pick and want someone else. But Reagor’s tape is impressive and shows how complete he is as a player. It’s glaringly obvious. I understand not seeing the speed. Kinda. It’s there. But I see that because that’s not what makes him so special. The catch radius, body control, "my ball mentality” and elusiveness isn’t even arguable though. That’s as documented as it gets. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

i ask this honestly:

what organizations do you see taking QBs in round 1-2 that have a "franchise QB” that are not looking for the eventual successor at QB cause that QB is old (Rodgers, favre) or they don’t think they can go any further with a certain QB (Alex smith)? I’m guessing not many. 

 

Never.  In history, to my knowledge.

The Packers drafted Rodgers because they were looking past Favre.  AR drafted Kolb looking past Mcnabb.  Ravens drafted Jackson looking past Flacco (Howie even used this one as a damn example for Wentz!).  The Chargers drafted Rivers looking past Brees.

Pats drafted Garoppolo at 62.  Tom Brady was 36, nearly a decade older than Wentz.  And the rules literally don't apply to the Patriots, as we know.  Teams will line up to trade for Brady backups and Belichek pupils.  Doug and Wentz are no where near that stability or status.  

 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

i ask this honestly:

what organizations do you see taking QBs in round 1-2 that have a "franchise QB” that are not looking for the eventual successor at QB cause that QB is old (Rodgers, favre) or they don’t think they can go any further with a certain QB (Alex smith)? I’m guessing not many. 

 

Not many. 

Just now, eagle45 said:

Never.  In history, to my knowledge.

The Packers drafted Rodgers because they were looking past Favre.  AR drafted Kolb looking past Mcnabb.  Ravens drafted Jackson looking past Flacco (Howie even used this one as a damn example for Wentz!).  The Chargers drafted Rivers looking past Brees.

Pats drafted Garoppolo at 62.  Tom Brady was 36, nearly a decade older than Wentz.  And the rules literally don't apply to the Patriots, as we know.  Teams will line up to trade for Brady backups and Belichek pupils.  Doug and Wentz are no where near that stability or status.  

 

Yup it’s why i mentioned it. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

i ask this honestly:

what organizations do you see taking QBs in round 1-2 that have a "franchise QB” that are not looking for the eventual successor at QB cause that QB is old (Rodgers, favre) or they don’t think they can go any further with a certain QB (Alex smith)? I’m guessing not many. 

 

None. None of them. It’s unheard of. Hell, the Skins caught flack when they drafted Cousins in round 4 after drafting RG3 and Cousins ended up starting. We drafted one in the second after paying Wentz a kings ransom

2 minutes ago, Mrkingofspades said:

Not many. 

Not many might be an understatement. I have to think of one. I haven’t so far. Closest i got is redskins drafted both cousins and RG3 but even that cousins was a 4th rounder they liked as a backup to develop and trade when they did it. 

1 minute ago, blindside said:

None. None of them. It’s unheard of. Hell, the Skins caught flack when they drafted Cousins in round 4 after drafting RG3 and Cousins ended up starting. We drafted one in the second after paying Wentz a kings ransom

Yeah i think the eagles can say whatever they want. But i feel as if there’s something they aren’t telling us or admitting. 

 

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I understand the rationale of committing to drafting BPA, even if it is a position that seems to be filled.

But every pick needs to have a vision and a plan.  You've got to think about a path to the field, best case scenario, most likely scenario, worst case scenario, ramifications.  Every one of those things is ugly with this pick.

At best, we are picking scared.  Scared is no way to go through a draft.

Completely agree. No idea what we’re thinking here.  I‘m not sure this is anything other than just having a really high grade on Hurts.  
 

I don’t understand the value.  The scouting combo of Doug/Howie has been a question mark for me before.  This kind of tips the scales.

Show me this QB factory. We cut our draft pick QB last year. Sudfeld is still here and apparently a #3. Foles was drafted and started on two teams and backed up another before he won the SB here. That’s this coaching staff. Citing Foles as your success developing QBs is flimsy at best. 

3 minutes ago, devpool said:

 

I don’t even remember his f-ing name 

Since we are on the topic that things that have never happened, let's review all the jaw dropping, head scratching Eagles moves that have worked out.

- 26 year old Canadian firefighter with no football experience.  

- OL coach as DC.  

- Kevin Kolb.  

- No PR on the roster.

- Mike Vick.  I'll say they came close on this one. 

- Releasing Desean.

Will investing a 2nd round pick in a QB factory when you have a 27 year old alleged franchise qb become their first "smarter than everyone else" move to work?

9 minutes ago, blindside said:

Your distaste for Reagor is intense. Henry didn’t hit that speed. In fact no one has in college or NFL in 3 years. I get wishing we got  Lamb. But if you don’t see Reagor being fast, elusive, and having huge ups and high point ability in his tape, then you’re not trying to see it. It’s one thing to not like a pick and want someone else. But Reagor’s tape is impressive and shows how complete he is as a player. It’s glaringly obvious. I understand not seeing the speed. Kinda. It’s there. But I see that because that’s not what makes him so special. The catch radius, body control, "my ball mentality” and elusiveness isn’t even arguable though. That’s as documented as it gets. 

The thing is I DO NOT hate Reagor. I’m actually not upset over the pick at all. I like it better than I did the Barnett pick a few years back. He’s got great upside, but I don’t think he’s fast enough to get away with not being physical. He seems to be built to be physical which is good. 
 

I said pre combine he didn’t look as all world fast on tape as everyone is making him out to be and then he runs a 4.47 when he’s supposed to run around a 4.30. If he was a track guy, I’m guessing he was better at the 200 meter than the 55 meter. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah i think the eagles can say whatever they want. But i feel as if there’s something they aren’t telling us or admitting. 

It makes so little sense, and is such a bad pick that I am massively intrigued by it. Doug and Howie were both grinning like they stole something and got away with it.

I like Hurts a lot. It just makes no sense for them for all of the obvious reasons. I also think it was a good 15 picks earlier than I expected him to go. I'm still in shock. I dont even know what to say.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Since we are on the topic that things that have never happened, let's review all the jaw dropping, head scratching Eagles moves that have worked out.

- 26 year old Canadian firefighter with no football experience.  

- OL coach as DC.  

- Kevin Kolb.  

- No PR on the roster.

- Mike Vick.  I'll say they came close on this one. 

Will investing a 2nd round pick in a QB factory when you have a 27 year old alleged franchise qb become their first "smarter than everyone else" move to work?

Again, what factory? Where are the products of the factory? Foles was on his fourth team including Andy Reid twice. He doesn’t count. The QB factory is a myth. We gonna draft Zeus? 

7 minutes ago, devpool said:

 

Exactly....the "QB Factory"....this stuff will haunt the Eagles.  They bought into their own hype and all think they're geniuses

Any chance we could become a WR or edge rusher factory?  Or do we only get between 0 and 1 of those every decade or so?

ESPN is constantly bringing up the Hurts pick like they're trolling, but most analysts seem to like the pick. What do they all know but we don't?

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

The thing is I DO NOT hate Reagor. I’m actually not upset over the pick at all. I like it better than I did the Barnett pick a few years back. He’s got great upside, but I don’t think he’s fast enough to get away with not being physical. He seems to be built to be physical which is good. 
 

I said pre combine he didn’t look as all world fast on tape as everyone is making him out to be and then he runs a 4.47 when he’s supposed to run around a 4.30. If he was a track guy, I’m guessing he was better at the 200 meter than the 55 meter. 

He benches 300+ (his college coach said 400) and squats 600. Physicality doesn’t worrry me. Even if he’s "only” 4.47 on the field, he is elusive and takes the ball from defenders. He jumps over guys. He does everything well. Take the speed away and he’s still a talented WR. 

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Exactly....the "QB Factory"....this stuff will haunt the Eagles.  They bought into their own hype and all think they're geniuses

Oh boy.

Gold standard.  Fastballs.  Juandamentals.

And now...QB Factory will live in infamy.

Just now, Iggles25 said:

ESPN is constantly bringing up the Hurts pick like they're trolling, but most analysts seem to like the pick. What do they all know but we don't?

Get used to it. It’s a dramatic talking point that will get clicks and views. It’s gonna be a hot  topic For a long time. Their job is to stir this stuff up. We have them tons of ammo. Remember the "Foles or Wentz” stuff? We "had to” get rid of Foles to show Wentz he’s the man. Then we go and do this. Back to square one.

14 minutes ago, blindside said:

None. None of them. It’s unheard of. Hell, the Skins caught flack when they drafted Cousins in round 4 after drafting RG3 and Cousins ended up starting. We drafted one in the second after paying Wentz a kings ransom

You just dont get it.  He's not here to be a starter, he's here to enable packages that require two QBs.  Watch NO's offense.  Taysom Hill did everything.  Stop posting this red herring.