If the inspiration is Taysom Hill...

TAYSOM HILL THREW 6 PASSES LAST YEAR.  7 in 2018.

You could have ANY TE/WR do that job.  Do you have any idea how many very athletic NCAA QB's do not get drafted every year who you could plug into that role?

If the inspiration is Lamar Jackson...

HE'S A STARTING QB WHO CHASED THE MORE TRADITIONAL 6'5" PASSER OUT OF TOWN.

 

So which is it?

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't really care.  

Other teams either have successful drafting GM's or cycle them out after failures.  Howie has been the common denominator after years of questionable drafting with multiple coaches and personnel guys cycling out and taking their turns absorbing blame.  

Maybe Doug had a hand in this.  Maybe it was all Doug.  This was their "get up off the canvas" draft after really leaving a bunch of holes on the roster in recent years.  It's not OK.

Oh it’s a horrible pick and there’s no question Howie deserves some criticism but I’m blaming Doug on this pick. He’s a former QB who enjoys coaching QBs and he couldn’t help himself. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

If the inspiration is Taysom Hill...

TAYSOM HILL THREW 6 PASSES LAST YEAR.  7 in 2018.

You could have ANY TE/WR do that job.  Do you have any idea how many very athletic NCAA QB's do not get drafted every year who you could plug into that role?

If the inspiration is Lamar Jackson...

HE'S A STARTING QB WHO CHASED THE MORE TRADITIONAL 6'5" PASSER OUT OF TOWN.

 

So which is it?

I mean could also use Greg ward the former college QB to run some of the stuff Taysom hill does. We had Greg ward at the end of the season last year, i ask how many gadget plays did we run with him? 0

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

If the inspiration is Taysom Hill...

TAYSOM HILL THREW 6 PASSES LAST YEAR.  7 in 2018.

You could have ANY TE/WR do that job.  Do you have any idea how many very athletic NCAA QB's do not get drafted every year who you could plug into that role?

If the inspiration is Lamar Jackson...

HE'S A STARTING QB WHO CHASED THE MORE TRADITIONAL 6'5" PASSER OUT OF TOWN.

 

So which is it?

You can’t use the Ravens as an example. Flacco was on his way out anyway so there’s zero comparison. 
 

I’m looking forward to your future responses the first time drunk Uncle Doug throws out the Hurts package and he turns the ball over. 

If Jordan Love fell to 53, I think it would STILL be stupid.  But I'd buy the rationale.  Stash that massive talent, coach him up, collect interest on a future trade, and enjoy the Wentz insurance in the meantime.  qB FaCTorY

Jalen Hurts, despite many redeeming traits, is a flawed prospect, far from can't miss.  Very few teams had him in round 2.  The NFL isn't going to be lining up to trade for a 6'1" mobile QB with a soft arm after he gets some coaching from Doug.  There wasn't even value here.  They went out of their way to do this.  That's where I really scratch my scalp down to the bone.  He didn't fall into their lap so much later than he was expected to go.  They went out of their way to do this.  

14 minutes ago, IggleWalt said:

That Carson Wentz is one more good injury away from being taken out back. We can disagree with the pick but there is major concern when it comes to his health. Another concussion could be his last. This past one gave him memory loss and he had problems sitting.

Yep.  The elephant in the room is Wentz' injury history and future durability.  People seem to be oblivious to the fact that Wentz has had season ending injuries every year over the past 3 years.   If you're Doug Pederson, would you want a quality backup who can come in and win a game when Wentz (inevitably) goes down?  The Eagles just got a quality backup that they can groom, on a rookie deal for 4 years.  Although it wouldn't of been my pick at 53, it's not as crazy as most here are making it out to be. 

4 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

You can’t use the Ravens as an example. Flacco was on his way out anyway so there’s zero comparison. 
 

I’m looking forward to your future responses the first time drunk Uncle Doug throws out the Hurts package and he turns the ball over. 

Our GM used the Ravens as an example.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

From Don on the other board 

Caplan: "This one for the life of me, I don't... everyone I've spoken to around the league and Eagles sources, they don't, no one's quite clear on why the 2nd"

Mosher: "I talked to 3 different NFL scouts, 2 in the AFC and 1 in the NFC, and I asked all 3 of them, actually 4 different scouts and I asked every single one of them what grade they had on Jalen Hurts as a quarterback, and not one single one of those scouts told me they had anything higher than a low 3, mostly low 3 early 4 or day 3 slash developmental quarterback, so that's the problem with the messaging right now coming from the Eagles."

 

 

  

That’s even more scary. Nothing about this is justifiable if they’re all in on Wentz. I’ll give them that he was the consensus next best QB on the board. But certainly not a "can’t pass up value” at that point. That all points to the Eagles thinking Wentz won’t be here long. We’ve made some head scratching picks over the years but this takes the cake unless they have zero faith Carson is committed. The top 4 QBs were off the board by the Reagir pick and if Hurts was projected later, they knew he’d be there at 53 but WR was to big a need. The only reason to draft Hurts that high is if you don’t know if he’ll last to 103 and you need a QB. All signs point to a scenario way worse than a reach for a backup QB. 

Just now, blindside said:

Nothing about this is justifiable if they’re all in on Wentz

This is worse than Green Bay taking Jordan Love in the first round. 

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If the inspiration is Taysom Hill...

TAYSOM HILL THREW 6 PASSES LAST YEAR.  7 in 2018.

You could have ANY TE/WR do that job.  Do you have any idea how many very athletic NCAA QB's do not get drafted every year who you could plug into that role?

If the inspiration is Lamar Jackson...

HE'S A STARTING QB WHO CHASED THE MORE TRADITIONAL 6'5" PASSER OUT OF TOWN.

 

So which is it?

It’s scary, is what it is 

I entered the draft really worried the Eagles weren't confident in their LT of the future.

I left it worried that they aren't confident in their QB of the future.

Nice trade.

They still need a CB, S, LB, DE and guess what WR!!! And we take a QB? Joke. 

14 minutes ago, blindside said:

Ok. But even if that’s the case now, the one concussion doesn’t change anything. If that’s the belief, then they shouldn’t have paid him all that money. They previous injuries were worse than the latest one. Him getting concussed on a cheap shot doesn't take him from franchise QB to liability. Yes. Concussions are scary. But it takes more than one to make a guy retire. If what you’re saying is the reason for drafting Hurts, then that means Carson has made it clear he’s close to shutting it down. And honestly that’s the only theory that justifies this pick. That’s scary as hell. Because that’s the only thing that makes sense and Jalen Hurts isn’t a franchise QB. If that’s the case, the pick was fine, but that’s damning for our future because we’re stuck with Wentz’s contract and the picks we have up to get him. That would be tragic on so many levels. Makes Luck retiring look like nothing. I’d rather the team waste a draft pick than that. But one makes more sense than the other 

God, how many years after DMac did we waste to finally acquire a franchise QB while we cycled through Kolb, Vick, Sanchez, Foles the first time, Bradford, and many others? I agree that with such a high pick something is going on. Think it was Caplan that said they had high interest in Love before he went to GB. I thought we’d finally found our guy to be here forever. Very odd they’ve targeted one, ONE weapon for Carson when even the FO acknowledged the issue of WR. 

30 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

So you think it's reasonable to spend a 2nd round pick on that role?

You dont know what "that role" is.  You dont know what players will bust and what wont.  If this is the first NFL draft in history where every player is correctly slotted, probably not a good pick.  I doubt it is given that it's never happened.  There are a few roles he will fill.  Yes, there will be packages he plays in now.   He will be a capable backup, no more paying vet salaries to ride pine.  In a few years, with development he may be flipped for a first round plus or a high first.  Just stop pretending you know how this ends.  If he's the next "backup" to win a superbowl here then yeah its a great pick.  If wentz goes down again then yeah it's probably a good pick.  If this offense runs wild with mad genius coaches scheming ways to open up desean and co by keeping defenses honest with him on the field then yeah its a good pick.  Stop pretending you know everything because you read a "best available" chart or mock drafts.  

3 minutes ago, Makilavelli said:

God, how many years after DMac did we waste to finally acquire a franchise QB while we cycled through Kolb, Vick, Sanchez, Foles the first time, Bradford, and many others? I agree that with such a high pick something is going on. Think it was Caplan that said they had high interest in Love before he went to GB.

When did he say that?

1 minute ago, Allhaildawk said:

You dont know what "that role" is.  You dont know what players will bust and what wont.  If this is the first NFL draft in history where every player is correctly slotted, probably not a good pick.  I doubt it is given that it's never happened.  There are a few roles he will fill.  Yes, there will be packages he plays in now.   He will be a capable backup, no more paying vet salaries to ride pine.  In a few years, with development he may be flipped for a first round plus or a high first.  Just stop pretending you know how this ends.  If he's the next "backup" to win a superbowl here then yeah its a great pick.  If wentz goes down again then yeah it's probably a good pick.  If this offense runs wild with mad genius coaches scheming ways to open up desean and co by keeping defenses honest with him on the field then yeah its a good pick.  Stop pretending you know everything because you read a "best available" chart or mock drafts.  

The absolute best case scenario is Wentz is out for a few games in 2021 and Hurts lights it up. Then 2022 offseason he’s dealt for a 2nd rounder. 

2 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

You dont know what "that role" is.  You dont know what players will bust and what wont.  If this is the first NFL draft in history where every player is correctly slotted, probably not a good pick.  I doubt it is given that it's never happened.  There are a few roles he will fill.  Yes, there will be packages he plays in now.   He will be a capable backup, no more paying vet salaries to ride pine.  In a few years, with development he may be flipped for a first round plus or a high first.  Just stop pretending you know how this ends.  If he's the next "backup" to win a superbowl here then yeah its a great pick.  If wentz goes down again then yeah it's probably a good pick.  If this offense runs wild with mad genius coaches scheming ways to open up desean and co by keeping defenses honest with him on the field then yeah its a good pick.  Stop pretending you know everything because you read a "best available" chart or mock drafts.  

So your argument is just to criticize everyone because "we don’t know.”

Sounds like a great recipe for success. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

When did he say that?

It was shortly after the Hurts pick. I had several tabs open on my phone. May have been Solak that mentioned it, actually. I’d have to look. I’m losing it. What a day 😅

At this point, I’d be slightly less surprised to hear that something is going on with Wentz than I would be to hear that they actually have some master plan for this.

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I entered the draft really worried the Eagles weren't confident in their LT of the future.

I left it worried that they aren't confident in their QB of the future.

Nice trade.

I’m legit scared. The GM that fixed Chip Kelly and put together a SB roster isn’t one that justifies this pick without a reason. Either Howie got a crack habit, or he has a real reason to think Wentz won’t play out his contract. Either way is bad. But the worse one makes waaay more sense. My tin foil hat is all the way on. 

Just now, eagle45 said:

At this point, I’d be slightly less surprised to hear that something is going on with Wentz than I would be to hear that they actually have some master plan for this.

Yeah I mean I think you're right there. Maybe there's something we don't know. Cowboys having another good draft too.

If they really want to be a QB factory they’ll sign both Winston and Newton as well. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

When did he say that?

 

3 minutes ago, Makilavelli said:

It was shortly after the Hurts pick. I had several tabs open on my phone. May have been Solak that mentioned it, actually. I’d have to look. I’m losing it. What a day 😅

If that’s the case then it makes me feel the eagles are hiding something or they know something about wentz they aren’t saying. 

4 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

The absolute best case scenario is Wentz is out for a few games in 2021 and Hurts lights it up. Then 2022 offseason he’s dealt for a 2nd rounder. 

Nope.  Incredible that eagles fans would be talking about the "best case" scenario for a backup QB being a trade for a 2d rounder.  Google "philly special."  maybe you didnt hear about the exploits of a certain backup qb not too long ago.  take your gingko and calm down.