2 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

On top of overthinking and overvaluing a backup QB and having concerns about Wentz's ability to stay healthy, I think they envision Hurts could provide a spark to the offense with a big play here and there. They obviously really like Hurts as a prospect and have already referenced Lamar Jackson (even brought in Mornhinweg) and Taysom Hill. They're going to get creative with Hurts for sure.

I don't like the pick either, just thinking what their thought process was.

They just did sir.

And Im telling you they didnt, which is the point.

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

They didn't on Dillard last year...

Didn’t believe he’d get close enough to them. And also might have learned from from experience and that’s why they did it this year. 

I’m just saying. Look at history of head scratcher picks. Marcus Smith.. reach for need. Daniel Jones... ended up staring over Eli and playing well. Kevin Kolb.. ended up getting a chance to start and sucking. The eagles like picking developmental QBs. But second round picks aren’t that. They did this for some reason. Lets explore the possibilities. 
1. To develop and trade. Nope. You can’t expect more than a second round pick for a guy like that. The risk/reward doesn’t make sense 

2. Taysom Hill. Just no. That’s not what you do with a second round pick. 
 

3. You need a "second round pick value QB” because you don’t believe your starter can stay healthy. Ok. That’s reasonable but then why pay him like a franchise QB? Terrible use of resources, at best. 
 

4. BPA regardless of position. Umm.. no. 
 

5. ???

The only reason that makes sense is if you feel you might need a starter. If that’s because of injury history of your starter, you wouldn’t have committed to him. Unless you have new information since that commitment. Second round picks should be potential starters, not developmental backups. Period 

19 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Do you know what a red herring is?

Yep, keep throwing them out and deflecting.  nobody will notice, im sure.  You're a hack man

8 minutes ago, FTheCowboys said:

Ok, I went all Dr. Strange in Infinity War and found the one possible way in existence this pick makes sense. Here goes.

Wentz has told the Eagles privately that if he gets one more serious injury he's pulling an Andrew Luck and is retiring.

That's it. That's the only way. And even then I don't think Hurts is good so the pick still sucks, but that's the only way you can rationalize it.

Exactly. Nothing else makes sense. If this is anything else, Howie should be fired. If it’s truly for a backup, he shouldn’t have paid Wentz. If it’s for a later trade, too big a gamble. If it’s for Taysom Hill, it’s too high of a pick for a guy who might get 3 touches a game. It’s either Wentz is on the fence about his future, or Howie is terrible at his job. Either way sucks, but one is worse than the other

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Didn’t believe he’d get close enough to them. And also might have learned from from experience and that’s why they did it this year. 

They surely can't of thought Hurts would get close to them in the second?

33 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

They signed Foles as a cheap FA backup. They didn’t use a 2nd round pick on him. 

You guys just keep changing your argument.  I was responding to the statement "best case is we flip him for a 2d round pick" and pointed out that a backup won a Fn superbowl here.  Now that you cant refute that you're talking about acquisition price.  Go to bed man, its a tired act

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

They surely can't of thought Hurts would get close to them in the second?

I think hurts was projected by most as a 3-4th but as most QBs he likely goes higher simply due to him being a QB and more coveted. I’m not surprised he went in the second. However i thought he’d go to a team who thought he’d be an eventual starter in a year. Maybe someone like the colts with rivers. 

There’s a reason no one saw this coming. There’s a reason they picked him at the top of his projected value over guys who fell past theirs. There’s a reason it was a QB. This isn’t a mistake. Give me one good reason. There isn’t one 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think hurts was projected by most as a 3-4th but as most QBs he likely goes higher simply due to him being a QB and more coveted. I’m not surprised he went in the second. However i thought he’d go to a team who thought he’d be an eventual starter in a year. Maybe someone like the colts with rivers. 

I'd agree with you there. I thought second or third. But not to a team who don't need to invest a valuable need in the position. 

5 minutes ago, blindside said:

There’s a reason no one saw this coming. There’s a reason they picked him at the top of his projected value over guys who fell past theirs. There’s a reason it was a QB. This isn’t a mistake. Give me one good reason. There isn’t one 

I mean i think the eagles view Taysom hill and the saints having success when doing so. I don’t know the percentages of big plays and touchdowns when hill is out there for them but I’m betting the analytics are going to bare it out that it’s relatively high number of success. They want to emulate it. Add to that can develop him into a no. 2 after sudfeld leaves after 2020. The eagles probably think it is a trend that’s going to pick up around the nfl  kind of like managers who bat the pitcher 8th 

 

Yeah, I feel if we were looking for just a backup  there’s a handful out there right now in FA and maybe more to follow after the draft. While the cost for Newton is probably high, I’ll bet it won’t be in a month. You’re telling me none are suitable to replace the room we had last year? Ok, maybe not Newton as that would probably be worse than this situation, but you get my point from the talent perspective. 
 

Could’ve put Flacco in there and roll with him and Suds and go looking for a backup next year and maybe not blow the historic day two that came and went with a thud.

1 minute ago, Allhaildawk said:

You guys just keep changing your argument.  I was responding to the statement "best case is we flip him for a 2d round pick" and pointed out that a backup won a Fn superbowl here.  Now that you cant refute that you're talking about acquisition price.  Go to bed man, its a tired act

Do you think when they signed Foles that they thought he could win them a SB? Did they pay him like a QB that could? Do you think they think Hurts is a lock to repeat what Foles did? Do you think that they paid Wentz the huge contract expecting him to get injured, knowing they’d have to draft a QB that high to back him up? Do you think it’s unreasonable to think that Wentz being concusses to the point of not knowing where he is could possibly make him question his future? I’d like to know

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I mean i think the eagles view Taysom hill and the saints having success when doing so. I don’t know the percentages of big plays and touchdowns when hill is out there for them but I’m betting the analytics are going to bare it out that it’s relatively high number of success. They want to emulate it. Add bonus on probably can develop him into a no. 2 after sudfeld leaves after 2020. The eagles probably think it a trend that’s going to pick up around the nfl  kind of like managers who bat the pitcher 8th 

 

I can’t imagine that they’d see more value in a gimmick QB who might get a few touches per game than a guy who could actually play every down on either side of the ball. Hill was a UDFA. Not a second round pick. Would you spend a second round pick, for Taysom Hill’s production? I wouldn’t. And who’s to say Hurts will be as much of a weapon? Second round picks should be starters. We have too many holes to pick a gadget player there

If they'd taken Hurts in the third I'd stil not completely understand but it should be easier to justify. This just makes no sense though. If I'm Wentz right now I'm really angry. 

If you think Carson Wentz is a franchise QB, do you think a gimmick QB for trick plays is gonna put you over the top for a championship? If you believe in Wentz, do you think getting a few trick plays a game is more valuable than an every down starter? There’s no way. 

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

If they'd taken Hurts in the third I'd stil not completely understand but it should be easier to justify. This just makes no sense though. If I'm Wentz right now I'm really angry. 

Howie preaches value all the time. There was a long list of DEF, OL, as well as offensive skill position players slotted much higher than Hurts. No sense, indeed.

5 minutes ago, blindside said:

I can’t imagine that they’d see more value in a gimmick QB who might get a few touches per game than a guy who could actually play every down on either side of the ball. Hill was a UDFA. Not a second round pick. Would you spend a second round pick, for Taysom Hill’s production? I wouldn’t. And who’s to say Hurts will be as much of a weapon? Second round picks should be starters. We have too many holes to pick a gadget player there

I’m not justifying that i would do it. But i can see the eagles talking themselves into that logic. I’m not ok with it. Frankly i think Greg ward just as easily could be used in a Taysom hill role. I repeatedly stated that last year when we lacked weapons to use ward that way. 

Just now, Makilavelli said:

Howie preaches value all the time. There was a long list of DEF, OL, as well as offensive skill position players slotted much higher than Hurts. No sense, indeed.

Don't trust a word that comes out of his mouth. Scandrick spoke some truths. 

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

If they'd taken Hurts in the third I'd stil not completely understand but it should be easier to justify. This just makes no sense though. If I'm Wentz right now I'm really angry. 

Or Wentz told them they should look to the future, like a good team guy. They either lied about wanting to surround Wentz with weapons and want to go back to the Wentz/Foles ish, or they are making sure they do what’s best for the future, without Wentz. Which is it?

4 minutes ago, blindside said:

Do you think when they signed Foles that they thought he could win them a SB? Did they pay him like a QB that could? Do you think they think Hurts is a lock to repeat what Foles did? Do you think that they paid Wentz the huge contract expecting him to get injured, knowing they’d have to draft a QB that high to back him up? Do you think it’s unreasonable to think that Wentz being concusses to the point of not knowing where he is could possibly make him question his future? I’d like to know

You have no rebuttal so you again change the argument.  I think the contract a team gives a player is a reflection of HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT HIM.  which is what was said and what i was replying to.  How are you not getting this?  Whether or not wentz is now questioning his future in football has no bearing on what the did felt about him at the moment they gave him his money.  The contract DOES speak to that.  incredibly simple concept.  

No, i think NFL teams typically only sign the players they think WONT help them win games.  That make you happy?  

No, i dont think they paid him that contract expecting him to get injured knowing theyd have to draft a backup blah blah blah, i think they envision multiple roles from Hurts and eventually a haul of picks in return for him in trade.  

You guys are a joke.  You say something that makes no sense, and when you have no rebuttal for the response you just pretend you're saying something else.  wake up man

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m just justifying that i would do it. But i can see the eagles talking themselves into that logic. I’m not ok with it. Frankly i think Greg ward just as easily could be used in a Taysom hill role. I repeatedly stated that last year when we lacked weapons to use ward that way. 

And they didn’t. Because they believed in Carson. 

2 minutes ago, blindside said:

If you think Carson Wentz is a franchise QB, do you think a gimmick QB for trick plays is gonna put you over the top for a championship? If you believe in Wentz, do you think getting a few trick plays a game is more valuable than an every down starter? There’s no way. 

Exactly. You’re pulling your $100 million dollar leader off the field when you’ve got the weapons you have (when healthy) to see if Hurts can give you a "spark”?

Just now, Allhaildawk said:

You have no rebuttal so you again change the argument.  I think the contract a team gives a player is a reflection of HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT HIM.  which is what was said and what i was replying to.  How are you not getting this?  Whether or not wentz is now questioning his future in football has no bearing on what the did felt about him at the moment they gave him his money.  The contract DOES speak to that.  incredibly simple concept.  

No, i think NFL teams typically only sign the players they think WONT help them win games.  That make you happy?  

No, i dont think they paid him that contract expecting him to get injured knowing theyd have to draft a backup blah blah blah, i think they envision multiple roles from Hurts and eventually a haul of picks in return for him in trade.  

You guys are a joke.  You say something that makes no sense, and when you have no rebuttal for the response you just pretend you're saying something else.  wake up man

 

You’re missing my point. I agree that they believed in Carson, as shown by the contract. What I’m saying is that things change. Please give me a good reason to draft a backup QB at 53 if you think your franchise QB is gonna love up your his contract. Please

3 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

You have no rebuttal so you again change the argument.  I think the contract a team gives a player is a reflection of HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT HIM.  which is what was said and what i was replying to.  How are you not getting this?  Whether or not wentz is now questioning his future in football has no bearing on what the did felt about him at the moment they gave him his money.  The contract DOES speak to that.  incredibly simple concept.  

No, i think NFL teams typically only sign the players they think WONT help them win games.  That make you happy?  

No, i dont think they paid him that contract expecting him to get injured knowing theyd have to draft a backup blah blah blah, i think they envision multiple roles from Hurts and eventually a haul of picks in return for him in trade.  

You guys are a joke.  You say something that makes no sense, and when you have no rebuttal for the response you just pretend you're saying something else.  wake up man

 

Not going to get into an argument with you. Earlier on here you said they were going to use hurts like hill then told Eagles45 that we have no clue how we are going to use him. So if you are going to go with an Change the argument thats pretty hypocritical on your end. 

have a goodnight