1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not going to get into an argument with you. Early on here you said they were going to use hurts like hill then told Eagles45 that we have no clue how we are going to use him. So if you are going to go with an Change the argument thats pretty hypocritical on your end. 

I actually said many roles, go back and read it but again nice try

4 minutes ago, blindside said:

Or Wentz told them they should look to the future, like a good team guy. They either lied about wanting to surround Wentz with weapons and want to go back to the Wentz/Foles ish, or they are making sure they do what’s best for the future, without Wentz. Which is it?

Then what's wrong with Wentz? Let's hear the honesty from the organisation. 

2 minutes ago, blindside said:

You’re missing my point. I agree that they believed in Carson, as shown by the contract. What I’m saying is that things change. Please give me a good reason to draft a backup QB at 53 if you think your franchise QB is gonna love up your his contract. Please

Go back and read the post where i did.  he's not just a backup here.  but whatever better to rant and rave blah blah blah rah rah rah fire howie blah blah blah.  

be that guy, we get it

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not going to get into an argument with you. Early on here you said they were going to use hurts like hill then told Eagles45 that we have no clue how we are going to use him. So if you are going to go with an Change the argument thats pretty hypocritical on your end. 

As an emotional little bish, I understand his wanting to justify this pick. I’ve been there. And I understand how hard it is for him to give a logical reason for this pick, based on his previous logic. There is no good reason for it. I want to be in his camp. I tried real hard at first. But logic overcame my desire to believe the best case scenario. There’s just no logical reason for the pick if nothing has changed since re-signing Wentz

5 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

I actually said many roles, go back and read it but again nice try

Lol sure you did. That was your first response on here. using him in two QB packages not what i consider multiple roles. That’s one role you mentioned. Just saying hill did everything isn’t explaining multiple roles. As hill really was mainly just used in two QB packages.  
 

1 minute ago, Allhaildawk said:

Go back and read the post where i did.  he's not just a backup here.  but whatever better to rant and rave blah blah blah rah rah rah fire howie blah blah blah.  

be that guy, we get it

So you’re saying they’re gonna pull Wentz off the field for trick plays, and use a second round pick to do so? That’s your take?

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Lol sure you did. That was your first response on here. 
 

Oh ish!! He was serious?! I thought he was being sarcastic. "Taysom Hill did everything” threw me off. Damn

15 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

You guys just keep changing your argument.  I was responding to the statement "best case is we flip him for a 2d round pick" and pointed out that a backup won a Fn superbowl here.  Now that you cant refute that you're talking about acquisition price.  Go to bed man, its a tired act

You’re the one trying to justify a stupid pick. 
 

I’m going to get criticized for saying this but I don’t care... if Wentz goes down week 1 for the season and Jalen Hurts comes in and leads this team to a Super Bowl victory... yes a super bowl victory... the case could still be made that the logic behind this pick wasn’t good... That’s how baffling this pick is. Obviously Doug/Howie look like geniuses though. 

And the Eagles couldn’t fetch any capital for a Super Bowl MVP. The jags at least got a 4th. 

1 hour ago, Allhaildawk said:

You dont know what "that role" is.  You dont know what players will bust and what wont.  If this is the first NFL draft in history where every player is correctly slotted, probably not a good pick.  I doubt it is given that it's never happened.  There are a few roles he will fill.  Yes, there will be packages he plays in now.   He will be a capable backup, no more paying vet salaries to ride pine.  In a few years, with development he may be flipped for a first round plus or a high first.  Just stop pretending you know how this ends.  If he's the next "backup" to win a superbowl here then yeah its a great pick.  If wentz goes down again then yeah it's probably a good pick.  If this offense runs wild with mad genius coaches scheming ways to open up desean and co by keeping defenses honest with him on the field then yeah its a good pick.  Stop pretending you know everything because you read a "best available" chart or mock drafts.  

You're too lazy/dishonest to read it so here you go

11 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

You're too lazy/dishonest to read it so here you go

Because go back and read what i wrote. I said your first argument was they were only going to use them for two quarterback packages and then you changed your argument they’re going to use them for multiple roles. That post had like 3-5 different arguments not dealing with two QB package role (i can identify the 3-5 different arguments you come up with if you’d like me too). So my point of you saying people changing their argument and then you did that with your rebuttal argument. You original post didn’t have all that. It had two qb packages. then that post had like multiple different arguments then your original argument. That’s what people on here are doing  As well and you call them on changing an argument. You literally did the same thing.  Lol

 

The other factor I've not seen mentioned...

With a messed up off season that makes this Hurts pick even worse. He's not going to get a full off season to familiarize himself with the play book and players. Taking a QB early to develop this year is easily the dumbest thing I've ever seen. 

1 minute ago, Allhaildawk said:

You're too lazy/dishonest to read it so here you go

I actually hope you’re right. I just wish I could justify it. I just can’t 

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

You’re the one trying to justify a stupid pick. 
 

I’m going to get criticized for saying this but I don’t care... if Wentz goes down week 1 for the season and Jalen Hurts comes in and leads this team to a Super Bowl victory... yes a super bowl victory... the case could still be made that the logic behind this pick wasn’t good... That’s how baffling this pick is. Obviously Doug/Howie look like geniuses though. 

And the Eagles couldn’t fetch any capital for a Super Bowl MVP. The jags at least got a 4th. 

I'm not trying to justify anything.  I'm saying you guys all chasing your tails as though you know he's just a backup or a gimmick are jokes.  Every year in the draft its the same thing.  Picks are made, you guys come on here to slam them and cry for a while and then we all move on.  As i said earlier, if this is the first year that whatever big board/mock draft ranking site you read has all these guys correctly projected you'll be right.  It's never happened before.  

6 minutes ago, blindside said:

So you’re saying they’re gonna pull Wentz off the field for trick plays, and use a second round pick to do so? That’s your take?

Nope, just posted my take, yet again, go read it

 

Just now, Allhaildawk said:

 

Nope, just posted my take, yet again, go read it

 

I did. I hope you’re right. I’d rather get rid of Howie than lose Wentz

5 minutes ago, blindside said:

I did. I hope you’re right. I’d rather get rid of Howie than lose Wentz

Oh i read it. I did read his previous post. Which was not the same argument as that post had a bunch of different arguments in it. There was like 3-4 different arguments on his second post. But also touched on that one. So when he says people change theirs and then he’s basically doing the exact same thing he’s calling people out on. 

Imagine lining Hurts up out wide and having to pull one of Djax, Reagor, or JJaw off the field, and then having to hear how Doug "wanted both Hurt’s unique skill set and JJaws size to exploit matchups.” 😂 Oh, it’s going to be a long summer.

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The other factor I've not seen mentioned...

With a messed up off season that makes this Hurts pick even worse. He's not going to get a full off season to familiarize himself with the play book and players. Taking a QB early to develop this year is easily the dumbest thing I've ever seen. 

Yup. Dumb... or calculated by a team that values draft picks. Which makes more sense?

So it appears as though the starters for week 1 of 2020 are in play. I think the only possible starter that would be drafted tomorrow is a slot receiver. 
 

QB - Wentz 

RB - Sanders 

WR - Jackson 

WR - Reagor 

slot - Ward/JJAW/rookie 

We know the O-Line. Dillard and Seumalo on the left side could be good or could be a disaster. 

DE - Graham, Barnett 

DT - Cox, Hargrave 

LB - Gerry 

LB - Probably Taylor 

CB - Slay 

CB - Maddox/Jones 

nickel - NRC 

S - McLeod 

S - I think Mills over Parks. 
 

With everyone healthy, that looks like a 9-7 squad. Since we play the redskins and Giants twice I’ll go 10-6. 

3 minutes ago, blindside said:

Yup. Dumb... or calculated by a team that values draft picks. Which makes more sense?

Dumb. Because in the draft Howie is dumb. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Because go back and read what i wrote. I said your first argument was they were only going to use them for two quarterback packages and then you changed your argument they’re going to use them for multiple roles. Which was my point you saying people changing their argument and then you did that with your argument. nice try though

I didnt change anything i expanded it to what i assumed was common sense at first.  yes, he's going to be a backup.  Yes, he's going to be a developmental QB for future return.  Yes, he's going to be a package player like Hill in NO.  If he succeeds in all of those roles, fills in successfully for wentz, adds an element to the offense, becomes sought after in trade and returns a good haul down the line all on a rookie deal so we're not paying some backup 8 mil a year, good pick.  Pardon me for assuming this would be obvious to all, given that its what every pundit is saying and what Howie said.  "QB factory."  The only people who can't follow a thread of logic are you guys.  

"He's a backup, BEST CASE is a 2d round pick in a few years." 

Uh... a backup just won a superbowl here

"But that wasn't a second round pick"

ok, so now you're talking about acquisition price?  

"This clearly means they don't feel good about wentz"

They just paid Wentz 100mil+ in contract

"but wentz got a concussion and might be rethinking his football future"

that has no bearing on the contract the TEAM paid HIM

"Do you think when they paid him that money it was with the expectation that he'd get hurt and they'd need to take a second backup?"

He's not just a backup

 

Trying to reason with you guys is like a dog chasing the tail end of a loose hose.  You have no logic in what you're saying you're just flailing around because you didnt like the pick or get your guy or whatever the case may be.  That's fine, we all feel that frustration I'm just pointing out that you're not making any sense.  Time will tell.  If he adds to the offense this year, comes in and wins 6 of 8 games his second year and preserves a playoff spot, looks great doing it and gets traded for a first and fifth he's a great pick.  If he busts out he's not.  You know, like any other draft pick.  Just calm down it's going to be ok. 

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Dumb. Because in the draft Howie is dumb. 

Bad at evaluating is different than wasting an asset 

8 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

I'm not trying to justify anything.  I'm saying you guys all chasing your tails as though you know he's just a backup or a gimmick are jokes.  Every year in the draft its the same thing.  Picks are made, you guys come on here to slam them and cry for a while and then we all move on.  As i said earlier, if this is the first year that whatever big board/mock draft ranking site you read has all these guys correctly projected you'll be right.  It's never happened before.  

Nope, just posted my take, yet again, go read it

 

What you’re saying is he could have been drafted as the franchise QB. That’s highly unlikely in this scenario. 

4 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

So it appears as though the starters for week 1 of 2020 are in play. I think the only possible starter that would be drafted tomorrow is a slot receiver. 
 

QB - Wentz 

RB - Sanders 

WR - Jackson 

WR - Reagor 

slot - Ward/JJAW/rookie 

We know the O-Line. Dillard and Seumalo on the left side could be good or could be a disaster. 

DE - Graham, Barnett 

DT - Cox, Hargrave 

LB - Gerry 

LB - Probably Taylor 

CB - Slay 

CB - Maddox/Jones 

nickel - NRC 

S - McLeod 

S - I think Mills over Parks. 
 

With everyone healthy, that looks like a 9-7 squad. Since we play the redskins and Giants twice I’ll go 10-6. 

I wouldn’t just assume that. The redskins and giants have done nice jobs in the draft and they added some nice pieces in FA. I don’t think they’ll be great but they aren’t going to be nearly as awful as last year.  

Howie looks like such an idiot in so many ways. That Wentz contract now looks stupid. This draft pick looks stupid. This whole process makes no sense. 

Why did we trade for Slay?

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Oh i read it. I did read his previous post. Which was not the same argument as that post had a bunch of different arguments in it. There was like 3-4 different arguments on his second post. But also touched on that one. So when he says people change theirs and then he’s basically doing the exact same thing he’s calling people out on. 

Wrong, but i think if you focus and try reading it again you could understand it.  Consider it your challenge for the day