Wouldn’t have made the pick. But from an entertainment standpoint, it’s pretty fascinating. The overwrought complaining is reaching new heights on this new board. 

13 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

There is another play here.  If Hurts is really a good, rostered, backup QB, could they be angling to trade Suds for a high pick closer to the season?  Seems like a reach.

Add: I don't think Hurts is here to be a real QB.

Don’t think anyone is going to trade a high pick for a guy who they could have signed as a free agent whose best offer was 1 year $2M

I can’t Fing believe what happened last night.  I woke up hoping I had dreamed it all and that it wasn’t true.  Nope, it actually happened.

Then I learned that we took an LB that is still learning to play who ran a great 40 time.  In a deep draft, where good teams are jabbing likely quality starters, the Eagles take a project that aligns with the kind of flyer you take in the 6th round.  With other likely starting linebackers still on the board.  Consistent with their mission this year, which must be to blow up the team and rebuild.  Is Carson on the block?  Hurts and the option offense should be ready to really shine in 2022.

I really enjoyed reading the reasoning for undermining your team and your franchise QB by blowing your 2nd round pick on a QB / gadget player (who will never be a good QB in the NFL).  Great teammate???  Can’t underestimate that???  Impact on the culture???  So you take a backup QB to impact you culture?  Any idiot, and I mean idiot, can understand how that statement ALONE is a massive indictment on the leadership of your young, highly paid starting QB.  You took a backup QB at 53 and want to talk about culture impact.  It is over for these guys, that’s it.  You’ve fired yourselves, it’s just a matter of time now.  We have to wait it out and watch the crash and burn.

I look forward to seeing what kind of player Denzel Mims develops into... wonder how much he could have helped.  Ashtyn Davis.  Logan Wilson.  Many others.  Hell of a draft for Joe Douglas.  Look at what the smart teams do - just take the Fing best player at a position of need, and don’t do stupid things.  It’s not that hard.  Rule 1 should be don’t be an idiot.

Instead we deprive our team of badly needed resources, making an insane and utterly indefensible decision.  After going into a draft with so many "needs.”  We didn’t trade up for CeeDee Lamb so e could take a (non) Quarterback backup gadget to "improve our culture?”  

Sometimes, people hang on concepts that represent what they WANT to be, and how they want to think of themselves, but really just mask their serious personal weaknesses.  When we had the Visor Moron here, he liked to reference a book about "growth mindset.”  The hilarity and irony of that, which everyone could see, was that he was the definition of a "fixed mindset.”

Ive been watching the same kind of thing develop with Howie, with this "it’s about building a team” not "winning the draft/FA” or " assembling the most talent.”  Actually I don’t believe he understands that at all.  He precisely wants to "win” the talent equation, and decisions like these further reinforce that.  No clue whatsoever about building a "team.”

What the Eagles did is beyond comprehension.  They blew up the whole thing last night, and the justification sounds almost like a joke.  We could have had any serious TATEr run the draft and end up ahead of where we are.

 

6 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

If I'm Wentz I seriously contemplate wanting out. Sinking ship.

I don’t like the pick, but you guys are way over the top cra cra with this. 
 

sinking ship...🙄

A lot of negativity here (rightfully so) but let’s talk about how we can salvage the draft.

DPJ

Muti

Bryce Hall

Dye

Tyler Johnson 

Adeneji

Gaither

Nick Harris 
Alton Robinson 

trade a pick for a starter

think I need at least 4 of these

 

 

 

Just now, purplefiggy said:

I don’t like the pick, but you guys are way over the top cra cra with this. 
 

sinking ship...🙄

Good thing Howie and Doug can self isolate for another couple of months    

I expect the reaction from most fans; when I first heard the pick I just stared blindly ahead and said "What?"

It shows just how bad the Eagles beat writers are, though.  Mindless twits, who assume he was drafted to replace Wentz.

The tragic irony in all this will be when Sudfeld starts under Center if Wentz misses time.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Good thing Howie and Doug can self isolate for another couple of months    

I expect the reaction from most fans; when I first heard the pick I just stared blindly ahead and said "What?"

It shows just how bad the Eagles beat writers are, though.  Mindless twits, who assume he was drafted to replace Wentz.

I don’t think he was drafted primarily to replace Wentz, but given his injuries along with Luck retiring young due to similar circumstances, can see that playing a small part in their minds.

31 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

There is another play here.  If Hurts is really a good, rostered, backup QB, could they be angling to trade Suds for a high pick closer to the season?  Seems like a reach.

Add: I don't think Hurts is here to be a real QB.

We aren't getting a high pick for him. He'll be third string, cut, or traded for a fourth or fifth at the most

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yes.  Sinking ship.  They have so many holes but led us to believe they were slow playing this and building for the future, by how inactive they were in FA.  This is not a pick you make if your building for the future. If he’s a gadget player then it’s a pick you make if your a loaded roster.  Which we are far from being.  If he’s a guy you wanna groom then you killed the future by signing Wentz to a long term deal.   If he’s a guy you want to develop then convert into a higher pick down the road.  Then you’re not building around the QB you did invest in for the future.  There’s no logic to explain this away.  Only logic I can think of, is Wentz has hinted at retirement or they don’t trust him, long term.   And if that is the most logical explanation I can come up with, then is all you need to know about that move last night.   

If they doubt Wentz long term, why did they give him a long term contract? Makes no sense.

OK, after a fitful night of sleep, I awake and begin again.  The shock of taking a QB so early is not entirely gone, but now I remember that Jalen is a guy living his dream and I am always happy when people make or get this opportunity.  I hope he becomes a great player, I hope his teammates love him and love having him around as this is a vital element to team building.  So, hooray for Jalen.  Howie still has me furrowing my brow, but I will get over it.

The disappointment that lingers is the Eagles recognize they can't develop Sudfeld, that Thorson was a bad pick, and now, in my snarly estimation, have chosen a player they think will be good in spite of themselves.  They made this choice because they know that picking a 4th or 5th round QB is not a QB they have the ability to help improve and become a good back up QB.

I look at the drafts of Denver and Minnesota and I cry. What the F is Howie doing to our roster? The guy needs to be fired ASAP.

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The tragic irony in all this will be when Sudfeld starts under Center if Wentz misses time.

Sudfeld of the QB factory where he has no value and no team signed him to give him a shot at starting.  This whole thing is a travesty of arrogance. Nothing changes with Howie. He sucks. We're just lucky everything aligned in 2017

Trying to make sense of this, as I didn't like it at the time, and there are a few devils advocate points that cross my mind:

• You need to be 2 deep at QB as our last three years have shown. Before we drafted Hurts, we weren't. Now, we are.
   
• Carson, like Andrew Luck, is a smart man who has been injured a lot. There is a real chance he does the same thing Luck did, and maybe he's told them that if his knee goes again, or he takes a few more savage hits like he did in the playoffs this year, he's done. He has a lot going on, especially with his foundation and his faith, that him following this path is not entirely unlikely. They now have insurance in the event that this ends up being Wentz's last contract. 
   
• They speak of surrounding Carson with talent and supporting him. Yes, you do that with receivers but also in the room around him. Carson was at his best with Nick pushing him, with multiple coaches pushing him. He has that again now. Maybe he's the type of person who needs competition, not just in playing terms, but also mentally/intellectually, for the eagles to get the best out of him. Perhaps, closer to the situation, they know this to be as important as an extra receiver (which they may still get today in the 4th) might be.
   
• College Football will be seriously affected by COVID in 2020/1 - Taking a QB looks insane now, but when the sample size next year will be smaller, and evaluation impacted, maybe they want to get ahead on having QB talent they *know* about in the building. They have no veteran and they don't like the guys out there as competition for Wentz or just in general. Next year the insurance they had already in Sudfeld is probably gone. Hurts is 21; 6 years younger than Carson, and 5 years younger than Sudfeld. The long view makes this make more sense; the plan they have in place could be similar to what Green Bay did with Rodgers, sitting could help him rather than have him be thrown in. If he sits and/or plays a package role for 3 years, he's still only 24 when Carson enters his 30s. 
   
• In the meantime, they may like him as a package QB as per Year 1 Lamar Jackson and/or Taysom Hill. I have confidence in Doug to pull this off, which I didn't have with other staffs we've had here. Equally, they may see him as an asset as much as any of the above, as all players are.

 

All this comes at the opportunity cost of getting a real contributor who starts right away; they knew that when they picked him. I personally think getting a player they can plug in right away on the offensive side of the ball makes way more sense at this time, so the above is not my view. Wentz needs to be supported with weapons too (Reagor, a 33 year old DJax isn' enough at WR and they *need* to get a couple more today which would then, with Ertz, Goedert and Sanders, be enough) but I don't think the pick is completely senseless. Criticism of Howie coming across as trying to be smarter than everyone else in the room isn't invalid - none of this addresses a need here and now - but there are some, albeit not instantly gratifying, logical reasons behind why I think they've done this.

Just now, pgcd3 said:

Sudfeld of the QB factory where he has no value and no team signed him to give him a shot at starting.  This whole thing is a travesty of arrogance. Nothing changes with Howie. He sucks. We're just lucky everything aligned in 2017

He thinks he's the smartest man in the room. Well yesterday he might have been, being the only man in the room.

4 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

OK, after a fitful night of sleep, I awake and begin again.  The shock of taking a QB so early is not entirely gone, but now I remember that Jalen is a guy living his dream and I am always happy when people make or get this opportunity.  I hope he becomes a great player, I hope his teammates love him and love having him around as this is a vital element to team building.  So, hooray for Jalen.  Howie still has me furrowing my brow, but I will get over it.

The disappointment that lingers is the Eagles recognize they can't develop Sudfeld, that Thorson was a bad pick, and now, in my snarly estimation, have chosen a player they think will be good in spite of themselves.  They made this choice because they know that picking a 4th or 5th round QB is not a QB they have the ability to help improve and become a good back up QB.

From my viewpoint this is exactly correct.

I've always given Howie the benefit of the doubt.  Mainly because he is so good at contracts and brought us SB52.  However, since then.

-Trade a 3rd for Golden Tate- can't do a thing

-Signs Alshon to guaranteed extension

-Draft JJAW over at least 5 superior WR

-Traded a 4th for Avery- can't get on the field

-Tells Eagles fans/media that he has learned form past mistakes and it's his job to make the Eagles younger, faster and to build around Carson. Tells us he needs to add players to contribute since they have sat out the last 2 drafts

-Sits out FA besides 27 year old DT (I'm still OK with Hargrave, just putting it out there) and a backup LB

-Re-signs Sudfeld 

-Watches CeeDee Lamb fall to Cowboys lap (refuses to part with pick 53 to move up)

-Draft Reagor (I like him, they were in a tough spot because of teams around them)

-Draft JALEN HURTS at 53 (the pick they couldn't part with for CeeDee)

-Draft 228 pound linebacker who is slated to be special teams stud (we learned nothing from Mack Hollins?)

 

Now we've been able to see Howie and Doug discuss the pick here are some quotes

-We want to be a QB factory.  

-that's our job - to acquire as many assets as we can and utilize them and also utilize them to get more value. So that's really what the draft is about. It's about value.  This is the scariest quote of them all.  Howie is out here just trying to find good value.  He is not trying to add the best players to help the team.  

-This gives us another weapon in that room. This gives us another incredible teammate. This gives us somebody that is going to be incredibly supportive to our quarterback, and quite frankly, this is exciting. This is exciting. This is exciting for our quarterback.  I think Carson would have been MUCH more excited with Denzel Mims.

-No team has gotten more value from the quarterback positions than the Philadelphia Eagles.  2017 is 3 years ago.  We hit lightning in a bottle and got lucky Foles had one of his hot streaks.  Other than that what have they done?

 

We have 5 picks today.  I don't see them using all 5.  Howie can't help himself.  So we are going to come away from this draft with 6-7 players, most likely none of them starters.  My faith in Howie is gone.  This is who he is.  Howie is 100% NOT a football guy.  I'm ready to start over from the top.  Bring in a retired player like John Lynch.  Bring in a guy who understands players, talent and how to build a team with great prosects like Mike Mayock.  I'm done with Howie, I apologize if this sounds like an overreaction TATE message but this just sucks.

 

 

 

I slept on it and I've given it some more thought.

I don't think it's hard to understand why the Eagles took Hurts. Fact of the matter is, Wentz hasn't finished the season for the previous three years (last year was BS). He is our franchise QB, but at the same time you need a capable backup. Can't keep depending on old men like McCown (who did next to nothing in the playoff game) to come in and save the day. I get it. 

With Hurts, we have a young, talented, athletic kid with upside (even though I did say he sucked, it was more out of anger). It's not a bad insurance policy to have. Should Carson go down for some time, it would be nice to have a capable back up that can beat you in multiple ways rather than a statue who can muster 9 points.

Best case scenario, Hurts doesn't see the field much and they flip him for a good pick. Worst case, he sees the field a lot and we can figure out Carson's future from there.

I don't believe for one second that the Eagles are quitting on Wentz after doing what he did last season, with the help he had, to be knocked out by a cheap shot. I do believe they wanted a kid with a ton of upside should it happen again.

Fact is, Carson is a big boy. He knows as well as all of us that he's gotten hurt. He knows that this is a business and despite all of it, the Eagles need to have some insurance for if he goes down, again. If he gets that bent out of shape, as many of you believe he will (and some are saying he should demand a trade) then he isn't mentally tough enough to play in the league or this city. I don't believe that to be the case. 

I'll end by saying, I don't agree with the pick. I agree it was a need, but I don't agree with the spot. I understand it, though, to a degree.

Man... waiting all night to make that pick,  and then waiting 50 more picks and getting a very underwhelming tiny LB in the same mold of vet min Jatavis did not provide any distraction from our 2nd found depression. 

But,  it doesn't feel good to keep dwelling.  I don't like it bit im hoping day 3 can provide some excitement. We have a bunch of picks pretty close together. It should be more exciting.  

I feel after the 2nd and 3rd found picks we haven't come close to getting our offense to KC level,  and we haven't done anything to help our CB, S, or DE situation.  And im skeptical on LB too.

With little done to improve im just looking for sparks here. We are in dire need of weapons with Reagor or playmakers on D. Needs out the window.  Get me exciting players. 

Gabriel Davis.  Or speed of Hightower, Quez, or Mooney. Does athleticism. 

McFarland for that speed. Or DeeJay Dallas,  or Corbin.

Bryce Hall for that upside. Reggie Robinson cause he's good. Harrison Hand for his ball hawking.

Sneed or even Javelin for that speed. 

Dye or Strnad who actually have LB size with athleticism. 

There are others I will like but these are probably as exciting as it gets for the rest of the way. 

UDFA, I need Isaiah Wright or Jeff Thomas.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

I've always given Howie the benefit of the doubt.  Mainly because he is so good at contracts and brought us SB52.  However, since then.

-Trade a 3rd for Golden Tate- can't do a thing

-Signs Alshon to guaranteed extension

-Draft JJAW over at least 5 superior WR

-Traded a 4th for Avery- can't get on the field

-Tells Eagles fans/media that he has learned form past mistakes and it's his job to make the Eagles younger, faster and to build around Carson. Tells us he needs to add players to contribute since they have sat out the last 2 drafts

-Sits out FA besides 27 year old DT (I'm still OK with Hargrave, just putting it out there) and a backup LB

-Re-signs Sudfeld 

-Watches CeeDee Lamb fall to Cowboys lap (refuses to part with pick 53 to move up)

-Draft Reagor (I like him, they were in a tough spot because of teams around them)

-Draft JALEN HURTS at 53 (the pick they couldn't part with for CeeDee)

-Draft 228 pound linebacker who is slated to be special teams stud (we learned nothing from Mack Hollins?)

 

Now we've been able to see Howie and Doug discuss the pick here are some quotes

-We want to be a QB factory.  

-that's our job - to acquire as many assets as we can and utilize them and also utilize them to get more value. So that's really what the draft is about. It's about value.  This is the scariest quote of them all.  Howie is out here just trying to find good value.  He is not trying to add the best players to help the team.  

-This gives us another weapon in that room. This gives us another incredible teammate. This gives us somebody that is going to be incredibly supportive to our quarterback, and quite frankly, this is exciting. This is exciting. This is exciting for our quarterback.  I think Carson would have been MUCH more excited with Denzel Mims.

-No team has gotten more value from the quarterback positions than the Philadelphia Eagles.  2017 is 3 years ago.  We hit lightning in a bottle and got lucky Foles had one of his hot streaks.  Other than that what have they done?

 

We have 5 picks today.  I don't see them using all 5.  Howie can't help himself.  So we are going to come away from this draft with 6-7 players, most likely none of them starters.  My faith in Howie is gone.  This is who he is.  Howie is 100% NOT a football guy.  I'm ready to start over from the top.  Bring in a retired player like John Lynch.  Bring in a guy who understands players, talent and how to build a team with great prosects like Mike Mayock.  I'm done with Howie, I apologize if this sounds like an overreaction TATE message but this just sucks.

 

 

 

They need to fire Howie IMO. He’s sabotaging this team right now. He’s not a football guy or talent evaluator. Never thought I’d wish we still had Joe Douglas.

6 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Sudfeld of the QB factory where he has no value and no team signed him to give him a shot at starting.  This whole thing is a travesty of arrogance. Nothing changes with Howie. He sucks. We're just lucky everything aligned in 2017

Howie is the GM as long as Lurie owns this team.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I've always given Howie the benefit of the doubt.  Mainly because he is so good at contracts and brought us SB52.  However, since then.

-Trade a 3rd for Golden Tate- can't do a thing

-Signs Alshon to guaranteed extension

-Draft JJAW over at least 5 superior WR

-Traded a 4th for Avery- can't get on the field

-Tells Eagles fans/media that he has learned form past mistakes and it's his job to make the Eagles younger, faster and to build around Carson. Tells us he needs to add players to contribute since they have sat out the last 2 drafts

-Sits out FA besides 27 year old DT (I'm still OK with Hargrave, just putting it out there) and a backup LB

-Re-signs Sudfeld 

-Watches CeeDee Lamb fall to Cowboys lap (refuses to part with pick 53 to move up)

-Draft Reagor (I like him, they were in a tough spot because of teams around them)

-Draft JALEN HURTS at 53 (the pick they couldn't part with for CeeDee)

-Draft 228 pound linebacker who is slated to be special teams stud (we learned nothing from Mack Hollins?)

 

Now we've been able to see Howie and Doug discuss the pick here are some quotes

-We want to be a QB factory.  

-that's our job - to acquire as many assets as we can and utilize them and also utilize them to get more value. So that's really what the draft is about. It's about value.  This is the scariest quote of them all.  Howie is out here just trying to find good value.  He is not trying to add the best players to help the team.  

-This gives us another weapon in that room. This gives us another incredible teammate. This gives us somebody that is going to be incredibly supportive to our quarterback, and quite frankly, this is exciting. This is exciting. This is exciting for our quarterback.  I think Carson would have been MUCH more excited with Denzel Mims.

-No team has gotten more value from the quarterback positions than the Philadelphia Eagles.  2017 is 3 years ago.  We hit lightning in a bottle and got lucky Foles had one of his hot streaks.  Other than that what have they done?

 

We have 5 picks today.  I don't see them using all 5.  Howie can't help himself.  So we are going to come away from this draft with 6-7 players, most likely none of them starters.  My faith in Howie is gone.  This is who he is.  Howie is 100% NOT a football guy.  I'm ready to start over from the top.  Bring in a retired player like John Lynch.  Bring in a guy who understands players, talent and how to build a team with great prosects like Mike Mayock.  I'm done with Howie, I apologize if this sounds like an overreaction TATE message but this just sucks.

 

 

 

I like Mayock but his draft is questionable as well.   Arnette at 19 then 3 receivers and Tanner Muse.  

Howie is the GM for life.  His kid will probably be the next GM.

Some thoughts from last night’s draft. I’m sure lots of folks have said this stuff, but I only skimmed through (kudos for you guys staying up to argue/discuss the nonsense)...

* I keep going back to three things: Press Taylor’s quote about two players on the field at the same time capable of throwing the football, Caplan saying they wanted a QB who can move, and Doug’s downright giddiness when Love was picked along with his reference to Lamar and Taysom. While you and I might see that as a gadget not worth investing in, I think they see it as 1) a good backup QB and 2) a guy who also is going to get on the field, possibly starting the next big trend along with New Orleans. Hill supposedly is going to play more this year, even Brees acknowledged that. 

* I still hate that pick. It reeks of arrogance. Howie said it was important to keep his high picks in discussing why he didn’t move up for a WR. Then 24 hours later defended taking a QB because it was just a second round pick. It’s infuriating. 

* Is this really the offseason to invest in a tinker toy backup for the QB factory? We won’t have a normal offseason to install these various packages while grooming him as a backup. A lost year 1 would have us out 25 percent of our investment. 

* Davion Taylor... So we finally put a premium-ish resource into linebacker and we decided to take a sushi-raw linebacker, a guy who also probably can’t see the field on defense for a year — once again in an offseason that he won’t be able to get as much on-field instruction. He’s a guy I frequently put in my mocks in rounds 5 or 6, but almost never as the first LB taken. The athletic upside is enticing (and I’m not sure how taxing our defense is mentally to play so maybe it’ll be an easier transition than I think), but it’s disappointing that the worst LB corps in the league drafted someone in round 3 that projects to be two years away (if ever) and a ST demon. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Howie is the GM as long as Lurie owns this team.

Well, Lurie is well aware about PR. The Hurts pick is the type that gets people fired.