7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

From my viewpoint this is exactly correct.

And entirely stupid

huge opportunity cost. Minimal upside at best

Why didn't we just pick Logan Wilson in RD2 and Hurts in RD3? That would have been...fine. 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Well, Lurie is well aware about PR. The Hurts pick is the type that gets people fired. 

Lurie has pushed the idea of drafting QBs at least every other year. 

Another is how EVERYONE out there, GMs, scouts, analysts, player personnel guys said how deep this draft was in round 2 and 3.  How many starters you can find in those 2 rounds this year.  For an Eagles team that needs to get younger on both lines, needs linebackers, a safety, a #2 running back, more WR.  They ignored all of it.  

The 49ers, Panthers, Giants, Cowboys and Falcons all added huge talent.  Everyone around us is getting better and younger.  

When do we start rebuilding this defensive line? 

I also think the Eagles still think they have a good player in JJAW.  I can hear Howie after the draft saying something like we wanted to send a message to JJAW letting him know we have confidence in him moving forward.

Just now, RLC said:

Why didn't we just pick Logan Wilson in RD2 and Hurts in RD3? That would have been...fine. 

Wilson would have been such a good pick too. Or, you know, a starting CB like Fulton. 

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

And entirely stupid

huge opportunity cost. Minimal upside at best

What’s your best case scenario for Hurts? Say Wentz retires in 3 years in part due to keeping his trend of annual injuries. And Hurts, after being successful filling in for Wentz takes over as QB. Is that minimal upside at best?

4 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

I like Mayock but his draft is questionable as well.   Arnette at 19 then 3 receivers and Tanner Muse.  

3 WR that would help the Eagles tremendously.  

Just now, bpac55 said:

Another is how EVERYONE out there, GMs, scouts, analysts, player personnel guys said how deep this draft was in round 2 and 3.  How many starters you can find in those 2 rounds this year.  For an Eagles team that needs to get younger on both lines, needs linebackers, a safety, a #2 running back, more WR.  They ignored all of it.  

The 49ers, Panthers, Giants, Cowboys and Falcons all added huge talent.  Everyone around us is getting better and younger.  

When do we start rebuilding this defensive line? 

I also think the Eagles still think they have a good player in JJAW.  I can hear Howie after the draft saying something like we wanted to send a message to JJAW letting him know we have confidence in him moving forward.

This is my big problem with it. I was genuinely excited about the prospects in rd 2 and 3. 

Every team in the NFL is going after multiples at WR in pursuit of the Chiefs.

We just got one.  One.

But we got multiples at qb.

1 minute ago, obedt said:

What’s your best case scenario for Hurts? Say Wentz retires in 3 years in part due to keeping his trend of anual injuries. And Hurts, after being successful filling in for Wentz takes over as QB. Is that minimal upside at best?

And at that point Hurts would likely need a high paying contract extension.

1 minute ago, Blazehound said:

And at that point Hurts would likely need a high paying contract extension.

Which is fine for a starting qb. Again, the question being would that be minimal upside at best? 

Waking up after day 2 draft - and I have now lost my mind. I am convinced this is what is happening. Rasul, Hurts & 2021 1st for Yannick - is gonna happen today. Trade agreed to yesterday. Just taking more time to work out the long term deal with the player.

Then also trade for Marquise Goodwin using a 4th

So all told: 2020 2nd, 2020 4th, 2021 1st & Rasul Douglas for Yannick & Marquise Goodwin...

Now that I got that off my chest, I am off to my breakfast of brillo pads, toilet bowl cleaner, & orange lysol.

This draft epitomizes who the Eagles are and how they draft. They draft as if to try to win the lottery. They draft potential, upside and what they call value. They take long shots, developmental type players, or players who can fill multiple roles, in the future.

They do not draft as if they need to have players contribute? I thought we hard from them this year, that they had learned from past mistakes?

So far rounds 2 and 3 are more of the same. Players who are high picks who will need time to develop??? 

I am betting we trade away a 4th for future 3rd pick next year. 

1 minute ago, obedt said:

Which is fine for a starting qb. Again, the question being would that be minimal upside at best? 

look, I'm trying to be more rational than emotional today about this, but do you really spend a premium asset on the small chance that the QB you've pinned every other hope on isn't your starting QB in 4 years?

 

If you honestly feel the need to do that, then I would question if Wentz really is worth treating as your franchise QB for the next 10 years - which in every other sense they've done.

Howie also managed to take allllllll of the air out of the draft.   I legit have ZERO excitement about today.  I don't want to see any of the other picks seeing who the Eagles passed on and who they will pass on today.  

There is no saving this draft.  Howie/Doug did a huge disservice to Eagles fans last night.  They are getting roasted left and right and for good reason yet they still come out and talk like they are the smartest in the room.  It's infuriating. 

Today we are getting a guard, an undersized DE, trading one of the picks, a slot corner and a tackle.

Howie is then going to tell us the about the strength of the UDFA class and sell us on look how many played for us last year.  You can't underestimate the UDFA.  It's pathetic that the Eagles get more production from their UDFA class than their 2017 2nd,  2019 1st, 2nd, 4th .

Just now, purplefiggy said:

look, I'm trying to be more rational than emotional today about this, but do you really spend a premium asset on the small chance that the QB you've pinned every other hope on isn't your starting QB in 4 years?

 

If you honestly feel the need to do that, then I would question if Wentz really is worth treating as your franchise QB for the next 10 years - which in every other sense they've done.

Nope. I don’t like the pick, but saying there is minimal upside isn’t accurate either. And tbh I seem to be more concerned than most kn Wentz’s injury history. Not an issue this year but could legit be one 3 years from now

2 minutes ago, Ialone said:

This draft epitomizes who the Eagles are and how they draft. They draft as if to try to win the lottery. They draft potential, upside and what they call value. They take long shots, developmental type players, or players who can fill multiple roles, in the future.

They do not draft as if they need to have players contribute? I thought we hard from them this year, that they had learned from past mistakes?

So far rounds 2 and 3 are more of the same. Players who are high picks who will need time to develop??? 

I am betting we trade away a 4th for future 3rd pick next year. 

I expect that too.  It's almost as if their draft philosophy is completely disconnected from their FA philosophy.  They realized they needed to get younger, cheaper, and more impactful so they looked toward the draft.  And they're drafting for the long haul.  What happens about those 3 years in between?

1 minute ago, obedt said:

Nope. I don’t like the pick, but saying there is minimal upside isn’t accurate either. And tbh I seem to be more concerned than most kn Wentz’s injury history. Not an issue this year but could legit be one 3 years from now

I don't think there's minimal upside for the player...I just think there's minimal chance the Eagles utilize that upside unless we hit a disaster point with Wentz.  And again, if you are planning for that, then I don't know how you make Wentz the center of your SB hopes for at least the next 5 years.

5 minutes ago, Ialone said:

This draft epitomizes who the Eagles are and how they draft. They draft as if to try to win the lottery. They draft potential, upside and what they call value. They take long shots, developmental type players, or players who can fill multiple roles, in the future.

They do not draft as if they need to have players contribute? I thought we hard from them this year, that they had learned from past mistakes?

So far rounds 2 and 3 are more of the same. Players who are high picks who will need time to develop??? 

I am betting we trade away a 4th for future 3rd pick next year. 

We need a football guy at GM.  I'm done with Howie.  They view the draft as assets and value like you said and it's a direct Howie quote.  It's the totally wrong mindset to have in the NFL.  You should be drafting the best player to help your team win.  

If they want better assets they should have lost a few games at the end of the year to get a better pick.  Winning the East gave the Cowboys CeeDee Lamb and the Eagles Jalen Hurts

 

6 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I wrote up all those options, but it really boils down to 3:

1.  They are idiots.

2.  Something is wrong with Wentz.

3.  They have an incomprehensible genius master plan that we can’t understand.  
 

The first two options, at this point, probably surprise me less than #3.

I really hope it is #3.  My gut tells me it’s probably insurance for #2.  Luck retired early.  Who else in this league fits the profile of the next guy to do something similar more than Wentz?  
 

Wentz loves football, but he loves God and his family more.  Head injuries affect people differently...and he had a significant one.  
 

This pick may have as much to do with what the Eagles think his possible mindset is, regarding his long term future in this league, as it does with them just worrying about him getting hurt often.

3 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

I don't think there's minimal upside for the player...I just think there's minimal chance the Eagles utilize that upside unless we hit a disaster point with Wentz.  And again, if you are planning for that, then I don't know how you make Wentz the center of your SB hopes for at least the next 5 years.

Well, I can easily envision scenarios where we need Hurts to step up in a playoff atmosphere. Doesn’t take much imagination to envision that.

 

again, I don’t like the pick, but Hurts is probably going to play in key situations.

My Hurts 2 cents:

Love the player, really like the fit and honestly love the pick. Hurts as the backup QB is fun and him on special packages is fun. He’s got a chance to groom here and be a really good player. I identified this guy as a perfect backup QB early in the process, just always thought a team would give him a chance at starting. 

With that said, where the disconnect is for me is where we picked him. Makes little to no sense in the 2nd round as I’m sure many have stated. This pick in the 4th? Eagles fans are probably ecstatic. I severely doubt Hurts fell that far though. I understand we know the value of a good backup QB but a 2nd round pick on a backup/gimmick player is just bad resource management. Plain and simple.

So yeah love the player and pick. Hate the resource we used to get him. Will watch the careers of Mims, Fulton, Chinn and Willie Gay closely. 

I accidentally fat fingered my second round pick, but I think I came out OK. 

Just now, Gator 12 said:

My Hurts 2 cents:

Love the player, really like the fit and honestly love the pick. Hurts as the backup QB is fun and him on special packages is fun. He’s got a chance to groom here and be a really good player. I identified this guy as a perfect backup QB early in the process, just always thought a team would give him a chance at starting. 

With that said, where the disconnect is for me is where we picked him. Makes little to no sense in the 2nd round as I’m sure many have stated. This pick in the 4th? Eagles fans are probably ecstatic. I severely doubt Hurts fell that far though. I understand we know the value of a good backup QB but a 2nd round pick on a backup/gimmick player is just bad resource management. Plain and simple.

So yeah love the player and pick. Hate the resource we used to get him. Will watch the careers of Mims, Fulton, Chinn and Willie Gay closely. 

I kinda liked Hurts as a mid round target. Then I read he was going in the second and completely stopped caring about him.