sorry the pick is atrocious, it's indefensible.  The comments afterwards are what make it indefensible.  The Eagles embarrassed themselves while the rest of the division did well to very well.

52 minutes ago, RLC said:

Why didn't we just pick Logan Wilson in RD2 and Hurts in RD3? That would have been...fine. 

There's no way Hurts would last until our 3rd round pick.  Even the O/U betting line for Hurts was at 58.5.

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I didn't like Marty coming back... and now I have another reason to be upset about it.

3 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

I think you take that risk with a 4th rounder and hope you can turn him into something bigger later.  If you hit, great.  If not, it isn't that big of a deal.  You are just buying a lottery ticket in that scenario.

But to gamble with a 2nd round pick when you can barely pay your mortgage?  

Devil’s advocate - how many teams have a franchise QB who has gotten hurt every year? It’s kind of uncharted territory 

4 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

I think you take that risk with a 4th rounder and hope you can turn him into something bigger later.  If you hit, great.  If not, it isn't that big of a deal.  You are just buying a lottery ticket in that scenario.

But to gamble with a 2nd round pick when you can barely pay your mortgage?  

That's exactly what I said.  For the 2nd... it has to be flipped for MULTIPLE 1s.  

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

1 minute ago, obedt said:

Devil’s advocate - how many teams have a franchise QB who has gotten hurt every year? It’s kind of uncharted territory 

I don't disagree with that, but my counter is, if you are that worried about the durability of your starting QB to the point where really, you feel like you need 2 starting QBs (with to me, picking any QB in the 2nd round implies - that he could be a starter eventually), then I think you may have hitched your horse to the wrong wagon.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's exactly what I said.  For the 2nd... it has to be flipped for MULTIPLE 1s.  

Nah.  If you get 3 years of a good backup QB and then a first round pick in exchange for the #53 pick, that is a huge win.

Just now, purplefiggy said:

I don't disagree with that, but my counter is, if you are that worried about the durability of your starting QB to the point where really, you feel like you need 2 starting QBs (with to me, picking any QB in the 2nd round implies - that he could be a starter eventually), then I think you may have hitched your horse to the wrong wagon.

That’s the scary part. What the pick represents.

20 pages in 9 hours

I still think it was a stupid draft pick

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Regarding the QB Factory comment.   Howie drafted a commodity not a Football player.  And he overpaid for that commodity.  Guaranteed they had hopes of trading Hurts last night or tonight and it back fired.  No other explanation makes sense.  And it’s a ridiculous move. 

theyre not trading him. As soon as they came out and patted themselves on the back with their make-believe reputation as QB gurus, I knew they werent trading him and this pick really was as idiotic as I feared

Just now, TEW said:

Nah.  If you get 3 years of a good backup QB and then a first round pick in exchange for the #53 pick, that is a huge win.

Yep. Good backup play has a ton of value for this team. 

Who is the last quarterback who was actually picked, groomed and flipped for a kings ransom?  The Patriots got a 2nd rounder for Jimmy Garapalo.  Let's use that as a starting point.  The Eagles flipped AJ Feely for a 2nd round pick 15 years ago.  The Eagles took Reggie Brown with that pick.

Our best case scenario as a team is that Carson doesn't miss a game.  This means Hurts has no game experience, no tape and a team is going to gamble to trade for him.  You aren't getting a 1st for that.

The scenario for the best return on Hurts is that Carson suffers a season ending injury, Hurts comes in and plays lights out driving his value up.  You then trade him for a 1st but are then hitched to a 28-30 year old Carson Wentz coming off yet another season ending injury. 

This is so bad on every level.  Yes, invest in your back-up quarterback.  DO NOT spend a 2nd round pick on the deepest draft in ages when you have so many holes on the team.

2 hours ago, bbabraham said:

I found the new board! How is everyone doing?

 

Wait... COVID19 and the first two days of draft make that terrible timing to ask that question! 😬

 

Before you ask - yes I was asleep for the draft. Yes I know this mess is my fault. Yes I feel terrible about it!😟

Glad you made it.   Hope all is well with you. 

1 minute ago, TEW said:

Nah.  If you get 3 years of a good backup QB and then a first round pick in exchange for the #53 pick, that is a huge win.

No one is trading a 1st for a back up.  Jimmy Garapolo brought back a 2nd.  The Eagles got entirely lucky when Bridgewater tore his knee up and traded for Bradford. 

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Regarding the QB Factory comment.   Howie drafted a commodity not a Football player.  And he overpaid for that commodity.  Guaranteed they had hopes of trading Hurts last night or tonight and it back fired.  No other explanation makes sense.  And it’s a ridiculous move. 

Anyone think this might have a lot to do with the nfl adding games and possibly playoff teams and our QB not being able to make it through them all. I think the dual threat is an added bonus to this. 

14 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

ugh........

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Who is the last quarterback who was actually picked, groomed and flipped for a kings ransom?  The Patriots got a 2nd rounder for Jimmy Garapalo.  Let's use that as a starting point.  The Eagles flipped AJ Feely for a 2nd round pick 15 years ago.  The Eagles took Reggie Brown with that pick.

Our best case scenario as a team is that Carson doesn't miss a game.  This means Hurts has no game experience, no tape and a team is going to gamble to trade for him.  You aren't getting a 1st for that.

The scenario for the best return on Hurts is that Carson suffers a season ending injury, Hurts comes in and plays lights out driving his value up.  You then trade him for a 1st but are then hitched to a 28-30 year old Carson Wentz coming off yet another season ending injury. 

This is so bad on every level.  Yes, invest in your back-up quarterback.  DO NOT spend a 2nd round pick on the deepest draft in ages when you have so many holes on the team.

We flipped Kolb for a 2nd and DRC.  Basically first round value.

You take Hurts not for the best case scenario, but as a mitigating factor.  Unfortunately, Wentz has had a lot of injuries. And as we've seen, you can win Super Bowls with backup QBs if they're good.  This is a team game, and QB is the most important position.  Having a really good backup QB makes the team better.  Your season doesn't hinge on one player staying healthy.

Hurts pick will go down as the thing that pushed Wentz out after this contract.

I wouldn't want to be here with the team doing this kind of madness.

Howie and Doug's reasoning behind made even less sense.

You don't draft backup character projects in the 2nd round.

If they were any good at developing QBs they wouldn't need to spend a 1st and now 2nd Rd pick to "develop".

They lost their minds and their arrogance is at an all time high.

Well, I guess we'll be trading more picks to trade for FA's to fill more holes in the future, which will keep us from having to endure madness like this.

5 minutes ago, TEW said:

Nah.  If you get 3 years of a good backup QB and then a first round pick in exchange for the #53 pick, that is a huge win.

IF... and you have to wait to see how it turns out.   I don't think he's a good backup QB next year.  He's not ready.  So, it might be 2 years of a good backup.  And the only way that they could flip him for a first round pick is if he plays.  Ideally, you don't want him to play.  So... its not a pick that I'd say has the kind of upside you are looking for.   

 

Nah... I just don't like this thought process.

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

No one is trading a 1st for a back up.  Jimmy Garapolo brought back a 2nd.  The Eagles got entirely lucky when Bridgewater tore his knee up and traded for Bradford. 

I'm responding to a post that claims we would need "MULTIPLE" first round picks.  That's just silly talk.  If we get 3 years of a good backup and even just a second round pick for #53, that's a win.  Cheap, good backup QBs are extremely valuable.  Then you get your pick back?  That would be a massive win.

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Who is the last quarterback who was actually picked, groomed and flipped for a kings ransom?  The Patriots got a 2nd rounder for Jimmy Garapalo.  Let's use that as a starting point.  The Eagles flipped AJ Feely for a 2nd round pick 15 years ago.  The Eagles took Reggie Brown with that pick.

Our best case scenario as a team is that Carson doesn't miss a game.  This means Hurts has no game experience, no tape and a team is going to gamble to trade for him.  You aren't getting a 1st for that.

The scenario for the best return on Hurts is that Carson suffers a season ending injury, Hurts comes in and plays lights out driving his value up.  You then trade him for a 1st but are then hitched to a 28-30 year old Carson Wentz coming off yet another season ending injury. 

This is so bad on every level.  Yes, invest in your back-up quarterback.  DO NOT spend a 2nd round pick on the deepest draft in ages when you have so many holes on the team.

Matt Schaub, I think.

 

Howie saying "value” instead of production with Hurts combined with his QB factory comment says they believe they’ll be able to trade him down the line. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

IF... and you have to wait to see how it turns out.   I don't think he's a good backup QB next year.  He's not ready.  So, it might be 2 years of a good backup.  And the only way that they could flip him for a first round pick is if he plays.  Ideally, you don't want him to play.  So... its not a pick that I'd say has the kind of upside you are looking for.   

 

Nah... I just don't like this thought process.

In the past I would have agreed with you that year 1 will be a wash.  But things have changed in the NFL.  Rookies routinely contribute.  And he has the athletic profile that makes a year 1 contribution more likely.  If Wentz gets hurt weeks 10-14, I think Hurts gets the nod.  And at that point having a good backup QB who can win 2 or 3 of those games might be the difference between winning the division and missing the playoffs.

1 hour ago, purplefiggy said:

I don’t like the pick, but you guys are way over the top cra cra with this. 
 

sinking ship...🙄

Poor Carson and his $128 million dollar contract and lock on the starting QB position.   Who knew the guy had so many side chicks?