7 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I'm saying the only way it makes any sense is if Carson retires this off season. And if he does we are still f'ed.

So, sooooo F’d !!!

Just now, The guy in France said:

So, sooooo F’d !!!

We are anyway though. 

25 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

4. Hurts wouldnt have been my choice for backup QB. As a pure QB hes not the best guy out there. But the eagles clearly envision him as more than a backup QB as they keep mentioning Taysom Hill, and Lamar Jackson. Hes not a great pure QB, but he is a darn good football player. He is a play maker. He doesnt deserve to be hated by fans.

I haven't seen a single fan come at him.  Everything is at the organization, specifically Howie and Doug. 

 

Now... I liked your breakdown.  It got me thinking... as much as I really don't like the decision making process that led us to this position.  Let's say that they felt they NEED to have a different solution at backup QB (and clearly they do), and seemingly are willing to run a very different offense if he has to come in (because Hurts is much more Lamar Jackson than he is Carson Wentz), but its one that you can win with...especially in a situation where he has to come in in the middle of the game and just starts running zone reads, which I think he's ideally suited to execute.  He's a one read QB, he's an athletic and thick guy.  So, lean in to that.  

So, then you look at the rest of the class... and the reality is that the QB position is the most important... backup QB needs to be 100% in sync with the starter.  There can't be friction there for it to work.  Hurts is ideal for that and has shown that he can do that.  So, that offers a low price backup with a unique skill set.  Then you look at the rest of the QB class after Round 1... and none of them really offer Hurts' ability and character.  So... that means, if you zero in on a guy and its a priority, then you HAVE to do it.  Let the chips fall where they may in terms of the fall out, but you have to stick to your convictions.   Maybe it works out.  I'd have preferred they address a weapon.  But, you look at the guys that went after him, and frankly, all the players that went after him... there are guys like that available every year.  There's nothing special about any of them.  They are solid prospects, many of them will go on to have great careers, some might become All-Pro.  But.. finding a guy that has the character of Hurts, with his winning track record and red zone efficiency... well, that's not available every year.  He's not a perfect QB prospect, but he might just be a perfect backup QB prospect.  

 

 

OMG... I might have just talked myself into not hating this pick!   I still don't like it.  But, I don't hate it!

 

 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Remember when we had a QB but a lot of us woulda been happy to draftRussell Wilson as a backup in round 3?

We didnt have that sort of idea on our radar this year, but this feels a lot like that.

Not saying Hurts is gonna become that kind of player. But he is that style of player. Hes not the best passer. But he wills a team to win. He will carry an offense with his legs if he has to. But you can move him out of the pocket and let him throw bombs for guys like Jackson and Reagor to run under. Thats Wilson's style of QBing. Hes not a precision surgeon. He extends plays and throws prayers all game long. 

If  Hurts can even resemble that a little bit in limited playing time teams are going to be calling us offering a boatload trying to see if he can be their russell wilson. 

Of all the potential reasons for drafting Hurts that might be the worst of all of them. They have several holes and there were several guys available at 53 who could help out right away. Drafting him so they MIGHT get better draft picks in a trade 2 or 3 years down the line is a complete and total waste for this team. Its also failing the franchise QB you just invested over 100 million dollars in. Horrible doesnt even begin to describe it.

Any good WRs left?

Curtis Samuel please. I could still walk away from this weekend excited about Carson’s immediate weapons. A man can dream...

5 minutes ago, What The F said:

I have to give you silver lining guys credit.  I just can't/dont see it.  

They look completely foolish. I am more pissed off about it today than I was last night.

35 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Let's just remember... The Eagles are rarely talked about by the national media. Yet here they are today dominating the draft news for day two. And not for the right reasons. 

I haven't seen a single national guy say a negative thing.  Can you post something?

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

I haven't seen a single national guy say a negative thing.  Can you post something?

I just mean we are the headline.

1 hour ago, John_C said:

These guys can’t draft well enough.  It’s obvious by now.  And with the Cowboys continuing to draft very well every year, we are stuck in reverse.  We get to watch the key players we have in their prime age out, as the franchise QB is not supported properly, and the team declines,  awesome.

realize it soon please Lurie... 

That is a HUGE point that no one seems to grasp.  Our "good" players are all aging. 

The 49ers traded a stud d-tackle and replaced him with a younger, potentially better version in Kinlaw.

The Cowboys didn't bring Cobb back but brought back a guy who is worlds better.  They didn't give Byron Jones $18 million a year, they just drafted a younger version of him with better ball skills.

The Eagles are not re-tooling.  They are not taking players to groom.  Sorry, the linebacker is a ST guy and package linebacker.   Not a starter down the road.  

Lane Johnson, Fletcher Cox, Zach Ertz, BG, Slay, Brandon Brooks, Kelce., Malik Jackson are all going to decline at the same time with no one being groomed to take over.  No talent being brought in.  

The one player who keeps this team a float is Carson Wentz and what do you....draft his back up in the 2nd round.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I haven't seen a single fan come at him.  Everything is at the organization, specifically Howie and Doug. 

 

Now... I liked your breakdown.  It got me thinking... as much as I really don't like the decision making process that led us to this position.  Let's say that they felt they NEED to have a different solution at backup QB (and clearly they do), and seemingly are willing to run a very different offense if he has to come in (because Hurts is much more Lamar Jackson than he is Carson Wentz), but its one that you can win with...especially in a situation where he has to come in in the middle of the game and just starts running zone reads, which I think he's ideally suited to execute.  He's a one read QB, he's an athletic and thick guy.  So, lean in to that.  

So, then you look at the rest of the class... and the reality is that the QB position is the most important... backup QB needs to be 100% in sync with the starter.  There can't be friction there for it to work.  Hurts is ideal for that and has shown that he can do that.  So, that offers a low price backup with a unique skill set.  Then you look at the rest of the QB class after Round 1... and none of them really offer Hurts' ability and character.  So... that means, if you zero in on a guy and its a priority, then you HAVE to do it.  Let the chips fall where they may in terms of the fall out, but you have to stick to your convictions.   Maybe it works out.  I'd have preferred they address a weapon.  But, you look at the guys that went after him, and frankly, all the players that went after him... there are guys like that available every year.  There's nothing special about any of them.  They are solid prospects, many of them will go on to have great careers, some might become All-Pro.  But.. finding a guy that has the character of Hurts, with his winning track record and red zone efficiency... well, that's not available every year.  He's not a perfect QB prospect, but he might just be a perfect backup QB prospect.  

 

 

OMG... I might have just talked myself into not hating this pick!   I still don't like it.  But, I don't hate it!

 

 

I saw at least 2 people last night. One said we will boo him. Another said he will never cheer for Hurts. 

As far as the rest- exactly.

Yes Id have loved to pair Fulton with Slay. Or get aggressive for Diggs of Jaylon Johnson. Or a pro bowl caliber FS prospect in Delpit. 

But if they eagles wanted a backup QB in this draft, and we all kinda knew they did, as you think about it objectively you can totally see why they felt it HAD to be Hurts. And when there is just 1 guy in the whole draft like him you cant get cute and trade down or hope hes there next round. 

I can see the reasoning behind some of this move money wise and valuing the position wise. Some of yall have made me slightly more optimistic, but i still dont like the pick. I really feel like we could have waited until round 4 (or our comp pick) and grabbed a guy like Hurts or Fromm. Or get a talent like Eason... any of those guys have the skill to win NFL games in the clutch, and 2 of them have proven to be reliable winners and quality locker room presences.

Not to defend the pick but it is possible they had back up qb as a signiifcant need. 

Defense

Interior dline is deep and talented.

Edge- they may have felt sweat ostman avery and miller provide as much competition as anyone available.

Lb- given how they feel about the position qb2 could easily take priority. 

They have added slay to the cb rotation and currently have maddox, jones, leblanc and douglas on the roster. They may be higher on those players then we are.

Safety has macleod mills parks with maddox as an option.

Offense.

Oline - you need a potential swing tackle future center and back up guard for competition. All can still be added with remaining picks

TE - you are looking for TE 3. Late round udfa or fa are all potential places to add.

Rb- need another but late round udfa or fa will offer options.

WR- this one concerns me most but they can stilm add a vet or draft another in the 4th. Its fair to assume jackson will miss some time but just as fair to assume he wont miss 15 games. Ward played well in the slot you have added reagor. Not ideal but not a given that its like last year. A vet could still be added. 

Qb2 improves ur back up, may provide some interesting packagd plays and provides a cheap QB 2 with the potential to flip in 2 or 3 years for draft picks. 

Im not sold but it can atleast make some sense. 

Disclaimer- the above may be total rationalization.

Disclaimer 2- pot is now legal in canada and its very good. 

 

Let's not forget here, QB needy teams did also pass on Hurts...

This is probably the best argument for Hurts that I’ve seen and makes it make way more sense.

Paying a good NFL Backup is way more expensive than drafting your own good NFL Backup in the 2nd round. You lose the opportunity cost of the high pick but you gain in developing what you consider a very talented player for cheap.

You are basically saying you don’t value draft picks which, based on our recent success and abjectly poor drafting drafting skills, is not completely unreasonable.

2 minutes ago, Thrive said:

This is probably the best argument for Hurts that I’ve seen and makes it make way more sense.

It's a poor argument really. You don't draft for gimmick. 

5 minutes ago, Mandrake_1971 said:

Any good WRs left?

Gabriel Davis is the last of them that I think can develop in to a starting X, and along the lines of Higgins is a deep threat despite not having burner speed.  Hes my #1.

But you still have hightower, quez watkins, and mooney out there as burners. 

And there are other nice ones like KJ Hill I believe. Collin Johnson from Texas. And if maybe round 4  you can risk and hope Tyler Johnson isnt an Agholor type mental case and take his exceptional talent. 

5 minutes ago, Mandrake_1971 said:

Any good WRs left?

I like , DPJ, Trishton Jackson and slightly like James Proche. There's also Juan Jennings, who is kind of a slower version of Higgins. Joe Reed, John Hightower, Cephus, Watkins, Davis, Omar Bayless, Jeff Thomas. 

Still plenty of quality guys. 

Spoiler for the 2020 season.

Hurts plays and looks good against 4th stringers. Calls come into sports radio that he should be the starter.

Hurts comes in for some whacky plays. Carson gives some veiled shots in his PC about wanting to get into more of a rhythm during games.

Doug during a PC, probably end of the year, uses a poor choice of words and says something stupid, full on QB controversy to enter the offseason. 
 

Fin

Cowboys killed their draft too. Geezus. Just not fair 

All well said by Frank.  I hope this is the beginning of the end of Howie.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/nfl-draft-2020-jalen-hurts-10-random-observations

QB picks from 2012 on: Foles, Barkley, Wentz, Clayton Thorson.

QBs on roster at camp: Sanchez, Bradford, Suds, Lauletta, McCown.

Exactly who has this "QB factory" done such a bang up job in developing?

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Let's not forget here, QB needy teams did also pass on Hurts...

lets not forget, Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields

BTW speaking of next year give me Jaylen Waddle

Drafting a better Taysom Hill type in round 2 is dumb.

Drafting a guy hoping to develop him and get some kind of Garoppolo-like return for him in a few years in round 2 is dumb.

Drafting a backup so you can avoid paying the premium that elite bsckup QBs cost in round 2 is dumb.

Drafting a backup as an insurance policy for an elite 27 year old QB you just gave a massive contract in round 2 is dumb.

Drafting a guy that has a shot at becoming any and all of those things though?  Not going to pretend I'm in love with the pick but it's not that ridiculous either.  Hurts is a young (21 years old) uber athlete who has improved every season as a passer. Let's give em a shot to see how things work out.

Just now, QBhunter58 said:

lets not forget, Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields

BTW speaking of next year give me Jaylen Waddle

When teams begin to realize Lawrence isnt a very accurate passer, the value of Hurts with a year of NFL experience drastically increases.