1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Backing up for a second... 

they might be thinking... if Carson gets hurt again, we might not be dead in the water.  

Lane reached out to Hurts immediately after he was drafted.  Granted, he's got the OU connection, but he didn't hesitate.

 

I might add... these guys all got a ring and a parade because the Eagles did have a plan at backup QB.  They did get to the playoffs in 2018 because they had a plan at backup QB.  And they did see the backup QB come into the game again in the playoffs in 2019.  Hard to really be that upset as a vet that the team is trying to ensure that no season ends when the starting QB gets hurt, especially when the starting QB has gotten hurt at the end of every year over the past 3.  

 

I love Carson, I think he has all the talent in the world.  But, he has gotten hurt, so having a backup plan is essential.  And that means someone that can come in and win.  I'd rather not have to rely on this generation's Koy Detmer because he's a world class placekick holder.

And they honestly can't afford a Foles or top level FA backup anymore. Not with Wentz's contract. That's a critical piece to it - a few of us were getting burnt yesterday for bringing that up

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The Taysom Hill argument is the one that drives me the most crazy. Hill plays On average 15 plays a game (kapadia stat). He plays about 6 to 8 them at wide receiver. Unless I’m missing something jalen hurts has never played wide receiver at Oklahoma or Alabama. So you’re not getting that aspect of Tayson hill from Jalen hurts especially not his rookie year.

On top of all the guy who’s closer to being Taysom Hill is sitting on your roster for half the season in Greg Ward. Greg Ward is a former college quarterback. He plays wide receiver know and learn the nuances of playing wide receiver. And last year how many times did I or someone ask for them to start implementing packages/gadget plays using him like taysom hill and they decided not to do it all year. In an offense that needed any type of spark or any type of big play coming from a gadget play. Yet they weekly refuse to do it. But now it’s super important to do  

 

You know the truth. You don’t draft a QB in the second to be a gadget player or to be an insurance backup to Wentz...

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

no. its not a comparison at all..... thats what youre missing.

The point is- Because the gem of next years class (Lawrence) wont look nearly as shiny when teams really begin to put him under the microscope in the year leading up to his draft. Him as the top passer is not a ringing endorsement of the next QB class. Which means, a modern style QB with a year of NFL development is going to become a very attractive candidate for teams looking for a QB as early as next year. 

Hurts isnt a polished passer by any means, but considering he will see limited snaps and the eagles can really put him in a position to succeed with minimal opportunities to screw up. he has a chance to look incredibly enticing to teams.

We can only hope... and for now, we have a quality backup. My feeling is that if we develop him, he will just leave when the contract is up and go off to start elsewhere

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

 

Do not disagree with a lot but 

DT the top 3 plus ridgeway are here a second round DT is likely 4th at best. So ill give them a pass there.

Edge i am fine witb upgrading who was there thst might have done that.

Lb- they simply do not value it like you do. 

Id have mo issue adding to corner. 

I actually feel quite differently about or safety then you do. Id take one im comfortable there.

Oline areas can still be addressed. I would not label semula as a JAG.

Again not justifing the pick more trying to understand it 

 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm thinking they'll look to have a very specific package of plays for him.  He's not a backup RB.

Right. His response was to me talking about a lack of carries now for any potential RB draftee. But I wasnt saying Hurts is going to ever line up at RB. However, he is going to take carries away from them because he will run the ball (from the QB position).

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Hill never played WR at BYU either.  Not that I think Hurts should play WR here, but still that point is moot. 

And that’s why he went undrafted and was developed at WR. Nowhere in their press conference did they state they are going to develop him at WR. So again you’re not getting that benefit if you’re not training him to be a wide receiver/quarterback. They are training him to be a back up quarterback that has some gadget plays at quarterback

Tayson hill packages include him playing wide receiver. That’s the value were taysom hill he can line up everywhere As they trained him to do such. Unless the Eagles are planning on that you’re missing about half the plays they tend to use in the Tyson hill package

Even if somehow Joe Burrow or Tua dropped in the Eagles laps i wouldn't draft a QB.  

This team has to get younger across the board.  The excitement of having 10 picks heading in to the draft is now extreme disappointment.  2 went to Slay and I'm OK with that.

So we had 8 picks to help build a young core to this team.  1 goes towards a backup quarterback you hope never plays.

Now you're back down to 7 picks you have to nail.  

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

And that’s why he went undrafted and was developed at WR. Nowhere in their press conference did they state they are going to develop him at WR. So again you’re not getting that benefit if you’re not training him to be a wide receiver/quarterback. They are training him to be a back up quarterback that has some gadget plays at quarterback

and thats ok.

If they took a QB to convert to WR in round 2 thatd be a lot worse than the situation we are talking about right now. 

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

no. its not a comparison at all..... thats what youre missing.

The point is- Because the gem of next years class (Lawrence) wont look nearly as shiny when teams really begin to put him under the microscope in the year leading up to his draft. Him as the top passer is not a ringing endorsement of the next QB class. Which means, a modern style QB with a year of NFL development is going to become a very attractive candidate for teams looking for a QB as early as next year. 

Hurts isnt a polished passer by any means, but considering he will see limited snaps and the eagles can really put him in a position to succeed with minimal opportunities to screw up. he has a chance to look incredibly enticing to teams.

Hurts has no value, because the Eagles have Wentz. In other words teams aren’t going to be willing to give up a lot to get Hurts. On top of that you never know there could be another Burrows lying in wait. The Eagles draft a QBs in the second round in hope to flip him the following year because Lawrence might be the only other option available?? That is probably the dumbest thing they could have if that’s true. 

28 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I just mean we are the headline.

That's not a negative.

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

Hurts has no value, because the Eagles have Wentz. In other words teams aren’t going to be willing to give up a lot to get Hurts. On top of that you never know there could be another Burrows lying in wait. The Eagles draft a QBs in the second round in hope to flip him the following year because Lawrence might be the only other option available?? That is probably the dumbest thing they could have if that’s true. 

Thats not they "why" of the move at all. Not at all what I was implying. 

28 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I saw at least 2 people last night. One said we will boo him. Another said he will never cheer for Hurts. 

As far as the rest- exactly.

Yes Id have loved to pair Fulton with Slay. Or get aggressive for Diggs of Jaylon Johnson. Or a pro bowl caliber FS prospect in Delpit. 

But if they eagles wanted a backup QB in this draft, and we all kinda knew they did, as you think about it objectively you can totally see why they felt it HAD to be Hurts. And when there is just 1 guy in the whole draft like him you cant get cute and trade down or hope hes there next round. 

There are turds in every crowd.     There were 30 idiots organized by the king of the idiots that Booed McNabb.

Do we root for a canceled season at this point? Shoulderpad Sean could change his spikes to covid spikes.

4 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

We can only hope... and for now, we have a quality backup. My feeling is that if we develop him, he will just leave when the contract is up and go off to start elsewhere

If they do indeed develop him and groom him when his contract is up how old will he be? No ask yourself how old will Wentz be? Also if they’re grooming him (preparation to run their offense) but he’s sitting on the bench how much money will his contract be when he does get free. Now ask yourself how much will Wentz be payed him starting and all? See the picture yet?

Just now, Double said:

Do we root for a canceled season at this point? Shoulderpad Sean could change his spikes to covid spikes.

Maybe the Eagles know something we dont know?? they pick a QB to quietly develop because they know they can address the team needs next year before football resumes? no, there is no way lol

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

and thats ok.

If they took a QB to convert to WR in round 2 thatd be a lot worse than the situation we are talking about right now. 

The point was if you are going to use the taysom hill argument of how they’re going to use them well you just took about half the plays hill runs for the Saints and threw them away because Jalen hurts is not learning the wide receiver position. The value of the Taysom Hill packages are he can play wide receiver or line up running back/quarterback and teams don’t know what you’re gonna do because of that. You aren’t doing that with jalen hurts. That’s a major difference and why that argument a very bad argument for drafting him to have hill packages. 

to be honest it actually makes more sense if the Eagles would think Of using Greg ward in a Taysom Hill type packages then using jalen hurts as he already learned to play wr and has experience at QB at a collegiate level.

Rationalize it all you want. IMO it was a bad pick. Nothing against Hurts. This was all on Howie, Lurie, Doug, Andy and whoever the hell else decided drafting a backup in the 2nd round was a good idea while ignoring other needs

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Thats not they "why" of the move at all. Not at all what I was implying. 

Then what are you implying? Seriously what makes sense to draft a kid in the 2nd round in hopes to flip him the following year on a team full of needs?

Can someone explain to me why I keep reading that there is value to develop Jalen Hurts only to "flip" him in a couple of years?  If we flipped Nate Sudfeld, then that's value.  If we flipped Clayton Thorson for a 2nd after drafting him in the 4th, that's value.  Flipping AJ Feeley for a 2nd was great value.  But if we draft Hurts in the 2nd, and trade him for a 2nd in 2-3 years, THERE"S NO VALUE IN THAT.  How about I buy my house for 400K, put an ish ton of time, work, and money into it, add a garage, maybe a pool, and then I sell it for 400K 3 years later?  Howie's a genius!!  

If the Eagles really like a guy in round 4 just do what you can to move up for him. 5 more rookies is unnecessary since they’ll have 3 active QBs on game day. 

 

10 minutes ago, Lindermann said:

Text from a well-know talent evaluator:

"I think the Eagles have been and still are enamored with the idea of being cutting edge in their thinking. It’s why they hired Chip Kelly. In the case of Hurts, I think they are fascinated by the thought of having 2 passers on the field at the same time on enough snaps to produce big explosive plays that could win games. That’s what I think”

Not a bad idea.

I mean, really, that is eventually where the game will go. There will come a time when the population is big enough, with enough athletic passers, where having multiple threats to pass the ball on the field at the same time will become common place.

But I think this angle is more of a bonus than the main reason for the pick. The main reason we made the pick is that we need a good backup.

Traded next years 4th

4 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Then what are you implying? Seriously what makes sense to draft a kid in the 2nd round in hopes to flip him the following year on a team full of needs?

I mean.. I made a whole bunch of posts that clearly portrayed my message. I dont think I can really explain what I am implying any more than I already have. 

I like the Reagor pick.  I really do.  I wasn't wild about trading up for Lamb. I wasn't wild about Mims in round 1...in round 2, sure.

But if Reagor struggles as a rookie, Lamb and Mims have big rookie years (plus any collection of WRs in between), Hurts holds the clipboard, and the Eagles miss the playoffs while struggling with a lack of weapons...I cannot fathom how you can not fire Howie Roseman at the end of the year.