2 minutes ago, TEW said:

Look at the total value. If you get 3 years of a cheap good QB, then you get your draft pick (maybe more?) back after that, you’ve netted 3 years of a good backup QB.

Or looked at another way, you save $5M per season in cap space that it would cost to get an equivalent veteran QB, then get the draft pick back later.

In both cases, you’re coming out net positive.

As long as in that 3 year span they win a SB and Hurts plays a part, even if its small.

The whole goal of the draft is to find guys to help win a SB.  Not pick guys this early, develop them and then flip them 2-3 years later.

If the Eagles win a SB while Hurts is here then I'm good.

Just now, eagle45 said:

With the Eagles brain trust, it might be Ertz to Hurts.  

Probably

I have no idea what to expect from the Eagles today but I think they've put themselves in a position where their first pick in the 4th round darn well better be a weapon for Carson Wentz.  Show your quarterback want a better offense around him.  Show the fans you aren't completely ignorant.

 

2 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

hell if thats the case lets just start installing several change of direction lateral plays in the offense lol. lets just throw whatever strategy we can come up with at the wall ans see what sticks

You may be joking, but I think that’s actually where the game will go.

The NFL changes slowly at first, then all at once. It used to be no one wanted running QBs. Everyone wanted pocket passers. Guys like Cunningham and Young were extremely rare. Then in the early 2000’s things started to change with guys like McNabb, Culpepper and Vick. Now it’s almost a prerequisite that your QB is athletic.

Some coach is going to find a prospect that people are undecided about being a QB or a WR, and he’s going to take Cordell Stewart’s slash role to a full time position. It’s going to tear the NFL apart, and then everyone will try to do it.

One thing I’ve long been enamored with is the idea of your backup QB being a complete change up from your starter. The idea that he could come in and start running QB power or scramble around and muck up the game has to be annoying for a DC to prep for. 

Via Don on the other board. 
 

 

I realize we somehow got a second for Mcnabb (franchise QB who an idiot GM thought he would get a few more top years out of), second for Kolb, and first for Bradford (teams were still in love with his #1 overall status and brief glimpses).

But I just don't understand how some team, 3-4 years from now, is going to give up a second round pick for a QB like Hurts in hopes of handing him the keys to their franchise.  

I believe it will now be six years in a row that the Eagles have selected a player in the first two rounds that is not expected to start their rookie years.

Oh good lord.  Can this virus go away already.  It isn't going to kill the best maintained athletes with access to the worlds best doctors. 

 

 

Eagles need 2 WR and a RB today. Along with at least 1 CB, S, and DE.

WR, CB (would be safety if better ones were on the board), RB, S, DE in that order.

12 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

OK Fellas...  here's where I'm at.

I'm already over it.

Last night was a whirlwind, and I gotta say the experience on these boards was even more traumatic as I think back on it.  But I get it  I'm pissed.  We def took an 'L' last night.  But it's done.  It's in the past.

I like the fast LB we grabbed at the end.  I *love* Reagor. We have 3 picks in the next round, 5 more in total today, and I'm excited to see who we can grab and how we can beef up the areas we need to hit.  As far as I'm concerned, the Hurts pick has been discussed enough, and I have no interest in adding to, or reading more about it.  Let's get some good players today, boys.

I’m not over it because for the life of me I can’t imagine the team making this move if they believe Wentz will play out his contract

Also, I’m changing my tune a bit. I don’t love taking Taylor in Round 3, but I’ve wanted more speed and athleticism on defense. At least we’re going that direction, but he feels like a low probability bet to be a good defensive player. But if he hits, he’s a star. 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I have no idea what to expect from the Eagles today but I think they've put themselves in a position where their first pick in the 4th round darn well better be a weapon for Carson Wentz.  Show your quarterback want a better offense around him.  Show the fans you aren't completely ignorant.

 

A 4th round pick is not the way to show those things.  

The 4th round is when you show your commitment to having good ST 🤕

Drafting a table scrap WR is more of a kick in the teeth than a commitment at this point.

Just now, eagle45 said:

A 4th round pick is not the way to show those things.  

The 4th round is when you show your commitment to having good ST 🤕

Drafting a table scrap WR is more of a kick in the teeth than a commitment at this point.

I agree 100% just trying to get my mind off the awfulness of yesterday.  I'm really trying.  

Is this the day some veterans are traded?  Can we please just get rid of Rasul already and get another pick

The other interesting thing about Taylor is that as raw and inexperienced as he is, he did play a lot of positions — slot, even outside corner a few times, safety and LB. Mel Tucker runs a pro style defense (I read anyway) and used him as a hybrid. 

Maybe we got the discount, lump of clay version of Isaiah Simmons.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

A 4th round pick is not the way to show those things.  

The 4th round is when you show your commitment to having good ST 🤕

Drafting a table scrap WR is more of a kick in the teeth than a commitment at this point.

Yeah but there’s still some talent that can contribute as a WR this year like DPJ.

4 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

That's not my guess.  I think Howie is telling the truth when he says that the Eagles philosophy includes a VERY high prio on developing QBs.  I think they are trying to cover the trend of duel threat QBs like the Ravens QB.  I would have no issue if the pick had been say a 4th but we needed a player who can actually contribute in the 2nd this year, LB or maybe a pass rushing DE would have been a better option OR just go BPA anywhere but QB.

LS, punter and kicker. 

I hope he doesn’t think he is managing a hedge fund

 

Just now, eagle45 said:

I realize we somehow got a second for Mcnabb (franchise QB who an idiot GM thought he would get a few more top years out of), second for Kolb, and first for Bradford (teams were still in love with his #1 overall status and brief glimpses).

But I just don't understand how some team, 3-4 years from now, is going to give up a second round pick for a QB like Hurts in hopes of handing him the keys to their franchise.  

I cant believe this pick was for that reason.

Taking Hurts means 1 thing......the Eagles love Wentz but they dont trust him to stay healthy.  I think it's pretty obvious.  Dont trust all the BS Howie and Doug will say.  

Just now, Desertbirds said:

I believe it will now be six years in a row that the Eagles have selected a player in the first two rounds that is not expected to start their rookie years.

Seems like a strategy.  Not a good one at that.

How many QBs are still on the board? 

14 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

OK Fellas...  here's where I'm at.

I'm already over it.

Last night was a whirlwind, and I gotta say the experience on these boards was even more traumatic as I think back on it.  But I get it  I'm pissed.  We def took an 'L' last night.  But it's done.  It's in the past.

I like the fast LB we grabbed at the end.  I *love* Reagor. We have 3 picks in the next round, 5 more in total today, and I'm excited to see who we can grab and how we can beef up the areas we need to hit.  As far as I'm concerned, the Hurts pick has been discussed enough, and I have no interest in adding to, or reading more about it.  Let's get some good players today, boys.

I really like Reagor too.  But he's one rookie.  Our offense had a pathetic lack of explosion and help for Wentz last year.  We added one rookie.

Other teams are rabidly pursuing the Chiefs by absolute saturation carpet bombing their offenses with weapons.  

We added one rookie.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Oh good lord.  Can this virus go away already.  It isn't going to kill the best maintained athletes with access to the worlds best doctors. 

 

 

That argument can be applied to LT. To pass rusher. Too almost any position on the field you value as important. They might not be QB but I’m guessing if your LT gets coronavirus you probably want a good backup as well. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

The other interesting thing about Taylor is that as raw and inexperienced as he is, he did play a lot of positions — slot, even outside corner a few times, safety and LB. Mel Tucker runs a pro style defense (I read anyway) and used him as a hybrid. 

Maybe we got the discount, lump of clay version of Isaiah Simmons.

I think that was Jeremy Chinn who would have been a great use of 53 

Yeah the coronavirus excuse is pathetic. Absurd

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The bolded is projection.  You don't know where Lawrence will be drafted.   Matt Barkley was looked at as a guy who would be a top of Round 1 pick before his last year at USC.   That didn't turn out very well.

 

And 72.9% comp pct and 69.7% in his last 2 for Hurts.   We'll see what Lawrence does.   The draft is an interesting thing and a player that isn't on the radar one year before he's drafted can sky rocket up the rankings, and a guy who's at the top can tumble terribly.  Even within a draft, a guy like Aaron Rodgers that everyone has as a top 5 pick can fall way off.  (And that's not unique to Rodgers, who was a great investment in a 🤔 moment for GB at the time, but his value was awesome where they grabbed him.)  But, that also happened with Bridgewater, who wasn't quite as highly ranked as Rodgers.  Happened with Brady Quinn.

your point is valid... but I am sorry, I am taking 66-12 ratio all day in the top 10 picks. I like Fields better (and have since they were elite 11 together), but Lawrence has all of the phsyical tools scouts look for with production to match. Look at Mitch Trubisky, kid was taken solely based on the tools... same with Daniel Jones. Guys who produce on top of physical tools are NFL GMs wet dreams. Just in the past few years look at the "tools" guys who have been top 10 picks: Rosen, Josh Allen, Daniel Jones, Trubisky

Guys who produced and had tools in the top 15 picks include Mahomes, Watson, Murray 

And then you have the Brady Quinns and Matt Barkleys who have massive production, but lacking physical tools. Baker Mayfield is one of these types, and he is an outlier because he did not fall. But outside of gaining national recognition in commercials, what has he done for the Brownie? look at the players they have, they are LOADED, yet coaching and QB play continues to hold them back.  

27 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

Agreed on all points. Love this from him:

”7. I can’t get past the fact that the Eagles could have had their pick of Baylor WR Denzel Mims, Michigan DE Josh Uche, Florida WR Van Jefferson, Iowa DE A.J. Epenesa and LSU CB Kristian Fulton — guys who could have made an immediate impact — and took a quarterback”

He's listing some names.  Here's some other pieces to consider, and this isn't Saturday morning draftniking either, I've been pretty consistent on this.

Epenesa plays DE.  But, he doesn't play the DE position the way the Eagles want their DEs to play.  He's a great target for a 3-4 team.  The Eagles want DEs that are in the 250-260 range, that are fast around the edge.  He went to the Bills, but something tells me he ends up at DT for them.  Frankly, I don't like that fit for him.  Ravens, Pats, Steelers would have been better for him.

Van Jefferson was 'over drafted'  And he doesn't fit the speed theme we see building.  Jefferson is a Jason Avant type WR.   That's not a 2nd round talent.  I had him in the 4th round.  I liked him as a secondary option at WR, but if we are going speed as the theme of the year, then he's not a fit at all.

Mims is fast.  But, that speed struggled to really show itself on tape.  Early on in the draft process, I was high on Mims... in the later rounds.  As his stock starting rising and he was being talked about as a potential 1 round topic, I got scared off.  I just didn't see it with him.  Not a great route runner, not that fast to get behind the defense.  Not a natural catcher.  Of the WRs that fell to Round 2, he was at the bottom of my list, and that included Pittmann who I was skeptical of.  Higgins was my guy for Round 2, but that dream died quickly at 33.

Uche was a guy who struggled to start for Michigan.  He's a potential only guy, not a production guy.  Not a huge athlete, not a great burst, not a great run defender.  Just not a great option in Round 2.  Better options available still on the board.  I'd rather have Alton Robinson.  As backup options behind Robinson, Kareem Khalid and Brandon Anae sit there still.  Would rather have any of those 3 to Uche.  Missed out on Highsmith and Zuniga.  Highsmith, Zuniga and Robinson were my top 3 DE options.

Fulton is the only one that fits in my opinion.  The others were just names that he saw.  

 

His point is valid, but his names are poorly chosen.