13 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

No problem with having a quality backup but who's to say Hurts will be that?

He hasn't played a down yet in the NFL.  Even in college he wasnt exactly known for being a great passer.  

Only way I can see this working if Carson gets hurt is to put Hurts in a system like the one he ran at Oklahoma.  Play to his strengths.  If they try to make him into Peyton Manning it most likely wont work.

Sorry... this is a ridiculous statement of the obvious.   Why would you think that the Eagles would do that to him and themselves?   Did they or did they not revamp the offense in 2017 to match it to Foles' strengths?   

And I'd say matching it more to the Ravens' offense with Lamar Jackson would be fitting, and they did bring in Marty from there... so let's not look for straw men to knock down.

2 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

This is a fair point. It's impossible to evaluate our team over the last couple years and not think backup QB is an important role to improve the team.

I just don't like the idea of using a 2nd round pick on "plan B". If Wentz goes down, ish might as well hit the fan. We need to use a limited number of resources to surround him with talent. Our "Plan A".

If he's strictly a plan B I agree. If they think they can develop him into future assets, a high quality cheap backup, and maybe throw in some successful tricky gadet plays then I'm more "meh" on the pick. Rossman is 100% right in saying it's by far the most important position in sports. 

1 hour ago, The guy in France said:

So are you saying, " Hurts is special " ?

Huh?

2 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

This is a fair point. It's impossible to evaluate our team over the last couple years and not think backup QB is an important role to improve the team.

I just don't like the idea of using a 2nd round pick on "plan B". If Wentz goes down, ish might as well hit the fan. We need to use a limited number of resources to surround him with talent. Our "Plan A".

Not surrounding him with talent will just make him want to do more and risk injury and we're back to using PS guys during the season. And it becomes a loop

3 minutes ago, Rhinoddd50 said:

No they don't.  I am not going to defend Howie for this specific pick, but I wouldn't exactly call the Philly sports media the most intellectually honest group ever.  

100%. If we had more Sheil Kapadias, Tim McManuses, etc. the world would be a better place 

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

You do realize the quality of player tends to drop the later in the draft you get right? I don't love the pick but there's no arguing that our backup QB has had a massice impact on the date of the eagles the past 3 years. 

You do realize you can get a vet to back-up a q.b. , right?  Rookie back-up?  Even rookie starters struggle.

1 minute ago, greend said:

Agree, but that's a heck of a gamble. As it stands we have to hope Alshon get's healthy, D-Jax gets and stays healthy and of JJAW somehow becomes a player

Lot of "ifs” that’s just not good. We should of had a Denver type draft to address the offense. 

7 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

You do realize the quality of player tends to drop the later in the draft you get right? I don't love the pick but there's no arguing that our backup QB has had a massice impact on the date of the eagles the past 3 years. 

It speaks volumes that no other QB has been picked since Hurts and he wasn't rated as a 2nd round pick.  Not only did they waste the pick on him, they overdrafted him.  Could have traded down even 5-10 maybe 15 spots and still get Hurts and get some other picks.  

"I don't know that [the Eagles] had to take Jalen Hurts at 53. I'm told the Ravens weren't taking him at 55, nor were the Pats at 60. How far would he have fallen?” Albert Breer

Many of us have talked about their tremendous poor use of draft picks not just the players chosen but how they are used.  2nd round picks on players not slated to play for years.  1st round picks on players who will be back-ups.  For a team that is preaching value in their picks they absolutely suck at determining value.

CBs are starting to go...

14 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

Trent Williams traded for a 5th this year and 3rd next year

He's 31, a year plus removed from football, with a medical red flag.  He wasn't going to go for a huge yield.   $12.5M salary.    

 

He'll likely get a restructured deal as part of this.

glad the panthers took this guy off the board. 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

glad the panthers took this guy off the board. 

Who's on the short list for now?

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

He's 31, a year plus removed from football, with a medical red flag.  He wasn't going to go for a huge yield.   $12.5M salary.    

 

He'll likely get a restructured deal as part of this.

Don’t Niners also have Joe Staley playing at left tackle and Mcginchey who they drafted out of Notre Dame at right tackle. Feels like joe Staley is either changing positions or he’s gone. 

Panthers with a great pick there. Panthers are going to turn things around quickly. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

glad the panthers took this guy off the board. 

What’s not to like?

1 minute ago, greend said:

Agree, but that's a heck of a gamble. As it stands we have to hope Alshon get's healthy, D-Jax gets and stays healthy and of JJAW somehow becomes a player

I firmly believe this offense will be worse off if Alshon is healthy and in it, at this point in his career.

For weapons we now have a wildcat QB, 2 excellent TE's, a 2nd year RB who projects well as a full time back, one good deep threat (Reagor's early adjustment and Desean's inevitable injuries combine for one) and X and slot WRs that wouldn't scare an SEC defense.

That's probably the worst set of weapons on paper out of any team in the NFL that can claim to have playoff aspirations.

Just now, Green Dog said:

Who's on the short list for now?

S: Kenny Robinson

CB: Reggie Robinson, Hand

DE: Anae

WR: Gabriel Davis

RB: McFarland

LB: Dye

1 minute ago, greend said:

You do realize you can get a vet to back-up a q.b. , right?  Rookie back-up?  Even rookie starters struggle.

And you do realize we have Suds for this year and that high quality vet backups aren't cheap and leave your team without any ability to recoup any developmental capital right?  We can play this game all day. 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

It speaks volumes that no other QB has been picked since Hurts and he wasn't rated as a 2nd round pick.  Not only did they waste the pick on him, they overdrafted him.  Could have traded down even 5-10 maybe 15 spots and still get Hurts and get some other picks.  

Many of us have talked about their tremendous poor use of draft picks not just the players chosen but how they are used.  2nd round picks on players not slated to play for years.  1st round picks on players who will be back-ups.  For a team that is preaching value in their picks they absolutely suck at determining value.

We have absolutely zero way of knowing if Hurts would have been there by 3 just because no other QB was taken since. None. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

CBs are starting to go...

Gone I think. Get ready for offensive coordinators to totally exploit whoever is starting on the other side of Slay 

Just now, ManuManu said:

What’s not to like?

everything except the senior bowl. hes not good. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

What’s not to like?

Lol nothing, would have been great competition for the number two corners here 

1 minute ago, greendestiny27 said:

Panthers with a great pick there. Panthers are going to turn things around quickly. 

That division's going to be tight once again.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t know. he would’ve been the number one pick after his freshman year. He would’ve been the no. 1-3 pick this year in the draft ( i 100 Percent believe the dolphins or chargers would’ve traded up with Washington to get him over Herbert or Tua and i think a team like Jacksonville and Carolina would’ve been in play since Washington and the lions would’ve been open to dealing the pick).

I really don’t see him falling like Matt Barkley. Barkley also had an injury that dropped him. Also I believe he has a better arm then him and more mobile than Barkley and in general better size for Matt Barkley. I’d be willing to bet a lot of money he’s going to go in the top five. Heck Sam Bradford got hurt his last year at Oklahoma and yet still somehow went number one because they thought that much of him as a prospect. Kind of feels the same with Lawrence who’s was the no. 1 recruit coming out of high school. 

Maybe... there's no guarantees.

The rest of the NFC East is having a strong draft.  

Just now, greendestiny27 said:

Lol nothing, would have been great competition for the number two corners here 

he was never any good except for senior bowl week.