14 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I would have guessed Joe Douglas, but why would he go against his own grade?

IF IT’S TRUE. 

That was my guess as well.  And based on the report, the draft grades appear to be a combination of everyone's input.  So although Campell was the consensus "higher" grade, Douglas may have had JJAW graded higher.  And since he had "more clout" than the others in the room, Howie went with his opinion.  Just putting 2+2 together based off of incomplete information/conjecture.  

Just now, ManuManu said:

To be clear, you believe that it’s perfectly acceptable that a team, while on the clock, debate which WR to take and then decide to take the lower rated player? That it shouldn’t have been debated prior to that moment? Is that your differing opinion and thought process?

You're proving my point for me. It's killing you that I don't agree with you and you just can't let it go and move on.

That being said, I will answer your question. No. I think McLane who has a long history of going out of his way to be negative towards the Eagles is completely full of crap. I also think anyone who doesn't take what he says with a gigantic grain of salt is being foolish. A lot of teams don't rank guys in exact order, they put them in clusters. Knowing this is how the Eagles have done things in recent years based on Howie and Douglas quotes I am going to use common sense. They most likely had them in a cluster and some preferred one over the other. McLane never passing up an opportunity to make the Eagles look bad spews his nonsense and twists the situation into something it isn't/wasn't. I might be wrong, I might not but the thing is we will never know and I will always lean towards the side of the coin that makes more sense based on all of the variables we have to work with.

Bottom line, I don't buy his crap and in general I don't find it fruitful to waste time getting upset over maybes and what ifs that I can't possibly know for certain. Not everyone is going to fall in line with your opinions or how you process things. You are taking this all from a very black and white point of view, where as I am more abstract in my thought process. Like I said though, do you homie I'm not going to get mad about it like you are.

9 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Winner winner chicken dinner. McLane has had an axe to grind with the Eagles organization for a long time for god knows why. Not taking anything he says with a gigantic grain of salt is unwise.

Probably because they kicked him out of the press box that one time for some reason 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We’ll never know for sure, but I bet leaks will pop up if JJAW ends up a bust. 

I don’t trust the leaks though.  When Howie was banished, leaks were pushed through the media that he was responsible for every bad pick of the drafts he shared with AR and Chip.  When  Howie was back, the story was flipped, although Howie did personally acknowledge a couple faults.

But the winner writes history.  

Just now, Alphagrand said:

I would love the pick — but I think the only way Shenault becomes an Eagle is if they go non-WR in Round 1 and jump back in to grab him early Round 2

Pretty doubtful 

Oh i agree. I’d be fine jumping up in the second to get him. My point was more people would riot on here about it at 21 besides you and i and maybe one or two others. 

I was against WR in round 1 and 2 but there’s a chance if you take one round one that if you move up to get another WR in round two you walk away with two starters for the next decade if it works out right. I put the chances as small but i wouldn’t be as opposed as i was before free agency. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Probably because they kicked him out of the press box that one time for some reason 

Yeah that rings a bell. McLane is a clown though. This is the same guy who got his a** kicked by a senior citizen in Les Bowen.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

That was my guess as well.  And based on the report, the draft grades appear to be a combination of everyone's input.  So although Campell was the consensus "higher" grade, Douglas may have had JJAW graded higher.  And since he had "more clout" than the others in the room, Howie went with his opinion.  Just putting 2+2 together based off of incomplete information/conjecture.  

Agreed.  From Howie's earlier presser, I think he discretely acknowledged Douglas' bias towards production may have led to a few fails (Pump, Rasul, JJAW).

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I’ve already talked myself into every possible WR at 21. I’ll be anywhere from fine to ecstatic. 

That’s pretty much where I’m at.  My wife says she will be recording me on video when the selection is made, and I’ve told her I’ll do my best not to go ballistic.

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

What do you mean?

If the thought process is... floor is a slot, that's Jefferson.  I'm not buying into the top 5 WR for Juedy, that's not who he is or could ever be.  He's a good prospect, but let's not go over board, he's in no way the next Julio or Hopkins.

He might become a Pro Bowler with the right team, or if he goes to a dumpster fire like Miami, he might just completely fizzle out.

 

 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I thought about that as a scenario this year.  Top 3 WR are gone.  Gets to our pick.  We trade down cause we don’t know what the F to do.  Then our pick comes up again.  And we reach for a 3rd rounder in the 1st.  I was traveling back from Chicago that night.  I was sure we were getting Ha-Ha 

I thought for sure they would get cooks or haha. Then literally everything blew up in their face as the saints jumped us. Seriously the saints are a thorn in our side draft wise and on the field. I wanted Lattimore more than Barnett in 2017 and they snatched him right before us. 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You think people would be mad if they took jefferson. Imagine if they went really outside of the usual suspects and went like shenault at 21. People lose their minds. I love shenault but it would be like when they selected Marcus smith With people’s reactions.  

The Eagles consistently...for well over a decade...have their own unusual, unpredictable, and non-traditional board when they go WR and DE in the draft.  And they are almost always wrong when they deviate from common knowledge at those positions.  I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they drafted a completely random WR from that tier 2/3 group in round 1.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I think it’s the other way around.  The kicker him out of the press box because he’s a ****.   Didn’t he have a beef that almost got physical with another ****?   Was it Missanili?   

Nope, Les Bowen, and by all accounts Bowen decked his a** in front of a bunch of people.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I think it’s the other way around.  The kicker him out of the press box because he’s a ****.   Didn’t he have a beef that almost got physical with another ****?   Was it Missanili?   

Bowen. I have no idea which happened first. I think he got kicked out during the Chip Kelly era but not even positive on that 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

The Eagles consistently...for well over a decade...have their own unusual, unpredictable, and non-traditional board when they go WR and DE in the draft.  And they are almost always wrong when they deviate from common knowledge at those positions.  I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they drafted a completely random WR from that tier 2/3 group in round 1.

Hey!

I think you need to limit trending to the past four drafts, after the Andy and Chip influences left the building. 

Not to the say that the Andy/Banner focus on lines doesn't still resonate.  But I truly believe the concept of "fastballs" at DE has come to an end.

8 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

You're proving my point for me. It's killing you that I don't agree with you and you just can't let it go and move on.

That being said, I will answer your question. No. I think McLane who has a long history of going out of his way to be negative towards the Eagles is completely full of crap. I also think anyone who doesn't take what he says with a gigantic grain of salt is being foolish. A lot of teams don't rank guys in exact order, they put them in clusters. Knowing this is how the Eagles have done things in recent years based on Howie and Douglas quotes I am going to use common sense. They most likely had them in a cluster and some preferred one over the other. McLane never passing up an opportunity to make the Eagles look bad spews his nonsense and twists the situation into something it isn't/wasn't. I might be wrong, I might not but the thing is we will never know and I will always lean towards the side of the coin that makes more sense based on all of the variables we have to work with.

Bottom line, I don't buy his crap and in general I don't find it fruitful to waste time getting upset over maybes and what ifs that I can't possibly know for certain. Not everyone is going to fall in line with your opinions or how you process things. You are taking this all from a very black and white point of view, where as I am more abstract in my thought process. Like I said though, do you homie I'm not going to get mad about it like you are.

Dude, we’re discussing the process as reported. You’re taking it in different directions and attacking McLane. I don’t really care about your opinion of McLane. 

And I’m well aware of how tiers work in a draft. If Campbell and JJAW were in the same tier, which certainly is plausible, they still chose the lower rated player after having the discussion while on the clock. That’s something that should have been done prior to the draft. Teams do that all the time. It’s called preparedness. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

If the thought process is... floor is a slot, that's Jefferson.  I'm not buying into the top 5 WR for Juedy, that's not who he is or could ever be.  He's a good prospect, but let's not go over board, he's in no way the next Julio or Hopkins.

He might become a Pro Bowler with the right team, or if he goes to a dumpster fire like Miami, he might just completely fizzle out.

 

 

I don’t think any of the wide receivers in this draft are of that caliber. It’s why I wouldn’t move up and give everything you have to in order to get one of the top three.

Just look at last year, Hollywood Brown and Harry were the first two wide receivers taken. Then came Samuel, brown, mclaurin, metcalf, slayton and hardman who all looked better or going to be legitimate nfl starters. Would you really be all that surprised if guys outside of the top 3 wound up being better than the top 3? I wouldn’t. I love lamb but i don’t think he’s destined to be hopkins. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

It was McClane and Bowen.   Right.  That was a while ago.  Well before McClane getting kicked out of the press box.  
 

That also reminds me.  Who was the dude Brett Myers almost beat up after a San Diego game 15 or so years ago?

His wife?

Jeff McLane is the same guy who once wrote a huge article trashing the Eagles organization because they wouldn't let people bring hoagies into the stadium. He made it out to be some massive travesty of epic proportions. He's a clown and why anyone would spend any time getting worked up over anything he says is borderline laughable.

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I thought GB jumped us and got Dix.  

went back to double check,  the saints jumped both of us and GB to get cooks. And then GB just took haha. Then we traded out. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Dude, we’re discussing the process as reported. You’re taking it in different directions and attacking McLane. I don’t really care about your opinion of McLane. 

And I’m well aware of how tiers work in a draft. If Campbell and JJAW were in the same tier, which certainly is plausible, they still chose the lower rated player after having the discussion while on the clock. That’s something that should have been done prior to the draft. Teams do that all the time. It’s called preparedness. 

So the other 31 teams don't have discussions while on the clock? 

They probably covered 90% of the possible scenarios before the draft.  This one could have been unique and, therefore, needed further consideration.  Doesn't sound like a draft room in disarray.

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Bowen. I have no idea which happened first. I think he got kicked out during the Chip Kelly era but not even positive on that 

It was him and les bowen and that got into a fight. But that was before the Chip Kelly era. That was during Andy Reid. I want to say around like 2010 or 2011

in mclane’s defense is also like to punch les Bowen at times 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-eagles-writers-fight-after-twitter-feud/

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

So the other 31 teams don't have discussions while on the clock? 

They probably covered 90% of the possible scenarios before the draft.  This one could have been unique and, therefore, needed further consideration.  Doesn't sound like a draft room in disarray.

It’s literally players at the same position. If it were two different positions, I could agree. 

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

So the other 31 teams don't have discussions while on the clock? 

They probably covered 90% of the possible scenarios before the draft.  This one could have been unique and, therefore, needed further consideration.  Doesn't sound like a draft room in disarray.

 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It’s literally players at the same position. If it were two different positions, I could agree. 

I’m almost positive it was Caplan who talked about Campbell and JJAW on ITB and the discussion they were having leading up to the pick. If i remember correctly a lot of scouts viewed Campbell as a slot guy and they wanted an outside guy where they were picking and viewed JJAW as being able to do both at a higher level. 

Sounds like there may have been too many voices in the room.  Howie, frankly, has not earned trust in the draft.  But I prefer it this way.  
 

Our drafts with 2 ambiguous heads AR/Howie, Howie/Chip, Howie/Douglas haven’t been great.  It’s all on Howie now.

I think the time to listen to your scouts and other voices is pre-draft when you set the board.  When you are on the clock and under the gun, I think it may be best to have one guy making independent decisions and only asking very directed questions to his assortment of helpers.  It’s not the time to debate players and campaign for picks.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

It’s literally players at the same position. If it were two different positions, I could agree. 

Are you sure JJAW being rated lower was the consensus, or just by the source for McLane's article.  Can you be sure the source doesn't have an axe to grind as well?

This could all be true, but it just doesn't seem to be a symptom of a front office that shouldn't be running a draft.