1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Marinades for beef are extremely overrated and almost always ruin the meat.  It’s mostly for those who don’t know how to cook and/or cut it properly.   

Other than fajitas, I rarely use marinades on beef except when I am trying to infuse flavor, normally on a lesser cut, like a London broil.  Most of my beef marinades typically are a red wine type because I love the taste.  Every once in a blue moon I will use a bourbon marinade because it is so good.  Only thing I will ever marinade a quality steak with. Hate the loss of the bourbon but the taste is to die for.  You probably wouldn’t like that I inject briskets in coordination with my rubs.  I am going for flavors.   JR’s response to a post on Yorkshire pudding have me slow cook a top round with a mushroom, white wine reduced gravy not long ago.  At my age I don’t cook near as much beef as I used to and still far more than my doctor recommends.  

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Dude, we’re discussing the process as reported. You’re taking it in different directions and attacking McLane. I don’t really care about your opinion of McLane. 

And I’m well aware of how tiers work in a draft. If Campbell and JJAW were in the same tier, which certainly is plausible, they still chose the lower rated player after having the discussion while on the clock. That’s something that should have been done prior to the draft. Teams do that all the time. It’s called preparedness. 

I'm not taking it in different directions. I'm looking at things from every angle, as opposed to you who is caught up in simple thinking.

McLane's history is a huge factor in all of this, since the whole point of this is whether or not you believe what McLane is saying. Writing this aspect of the conversation off might be your worst take yet. You either think McLane is telling the truth, full of crap, or consider both as a possibility. His history of negativity and lack of objectivity towards the organization is central to all of this. Not only that, try using common sense. What team would spend months of preparing rankins, only to draft a player over someone they themselves ranked higher. I choose to not believe what he is saying and think it's laughable that anyone would. Unlike you though I'm not going to get mad about it if someone else sees the situation differently.

Gee, thanks for explaining to me how all of this works. Like I said, you should totally be working for an NFL team running drafts.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

I’m almost positive it was Caplan who talked about Campbell and JJAW on ITB and the discussion they were having leading up to the pick. If i remember correctly a lot of scouts viewed Campbell as a slot guy and they wanted an outside guy where they were picking and viewed JJAW as being able to do both at a higher level. 

It was Caplan. But I thought they landed on him being an outside WR who could play the slot as well. 

9 hours ago, BigEFly said:

I will be shocked if Reagor or Mims go first round. 

They both will. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

It was Caplan. But I thought they landed on him being an outside WR who could play the slot as well. 

Which Campbell or JJAW. I think they viewed JJAW could do both at a high level as he showed in college but they thought Campbell ultimately would be better at the next level in the slot. I know he mentioned the colts thought Campbell was best suited for the slot and they needed a slot so that’s why they took him. I have to go back to that podcast and find the exact words he used. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

I’m almost positive it was Caplan who talked about Campbell and JJAW on ITB and the discussion they were having leading up to the pick. If i remember correctly a lot of scouts viewed Campbell as a slot guy and they wanted an outside guy where they were picking and viewed JJAW as being able to do both at a higher level. 

That's exactly what he said. He didn't say who they had ranked higher. He said they wanted Hardman and when he went off the board right before their pick it came down to JJAW and Campbell. As you said, Caplan said they chose JJAW because they wanted an outside receiver and they viewed Campbell as a slot guy. This was two or three weeks ago, I totally forgot about this.

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

Are you sure JJAW being rated lower was the consensus, or just by the source for McLane's article.  Can you be sure the source doesn't have an axe to grind as well?

This could all be true, but it just doesn't seem to be a symptom of a front office that shouldn't be running a draft.

Again, I’m discussing it as reported. I’m not trying to get in the head of the reporter or his source. I see no value in that. 

2 minutes ago, blindside said:

They both will. 

I kind of think reagor is odds on favorite to be the pick of the top 4 WRs are gone. 

 

First, the backstory. Philly is an unusual daily newspaper town, in that the broadsheet Inquirer and the tabloid Daily News compete against one another even though they're owned by the same company, Philadelphia Media Network. They also share the same website, and the integration of their content at Philly.com is so complete it's sometimes difficult to tell which story is the product of which paper. The company, like most metro newspaper enterprises, is also struggling financially: A few weeks back, it got out that PMN had offered buyouts to some employees, and that "those eligible are all current full-time ... newsroom reporters, columnists, writers, editors, artists, photographers, copy editors, make-up persons and desk assistants."

In other words, tensions have been running high. Yesterday morning, things boiled over on Twitter, which set everything up for today's throwdown. McLane first wrote a story that was posted on Philly.com, citing sources, that said Michael Vick was likely to start Sunday despite the bone bruise in his hand. A short time later, Bowen fired off a tweet that said, "Oh, and BTW, nobody has any idea on Tuesday whether Michael Vick is starting this week. It was obvious Monday Andy thinks/hopes he will."

McLane took this as a slight, and soon afterward he responded with a series of tweets that he's since taken down. But the Philly blog Crossing Broad helpfully screen-grabbed them for the rest of us, and here's what they said, in rapid succession:

Yeah. Ouch. Bowen tweeted at someone else a short time later that he "will handle my business in person, not thru yapping on Twitter. But thanks for your concern." Yet what he was actually doing was spoiling for a fight—and right there in the media room.

Shortly after 11 a.m. today, according to a source, McLane and a few other reporters were working in the media room in advance of Eagles head coach Andy Reid's usual Wednesday availability. Bowen, whose work space is on the other side of the room from McLane's, entered and instead walked "with a little extra force" down the row of cubicles on McLane's side, the source said. And then it began.

"Who the F are you to question my professionalism?" snapped Bowen, who has maybe 15 to 20 years on McLane. "It's one thing if it's just me and you going at it, but it's another thing to do it in front of thousands of people on Twitter."

At his point, the source said, the two men were inches apart. Bowen contined, calling McLane "an insecure piece of crap" and a "****." McLane fired back something about how Bowen should have called him the night before to talk it over, to which Bowen replied, "I'm standing up to you right now."

From there, the source said, Bowen told McLane he was going to "knock [his] Fing teeth down [his] throat" and delivered a punch to the side of McLane's head. McLane, obviously flustered, never really fought back but instead offered to take the matter outside. The source said Bowen delivered at least one more "open-fisted slap" at the side of McLane's head. Phil Sheridan, an Inquirer columnist, stepped between the two to break things up. Eventually, they took it outside, where the five or six reporters in the room watched from the window and through the door to see what would happen next.

The source said McLane and Bowen were outside for at least 10 minutes, talking closely but not actually hitting each other. Eventually, things calmed down, and the day resumed as normal from there. Well, more or less. During practice, Samuel taunted the reporters, saying things like, "I'll give you a prediction on Sunday if you guys come out here and fight." Samuel also paraded around the locker room, as in the video above, at one point brandishing a box that he said contained a prize for the winner of a fight he kept demanding to see. And when McLane asked Reid a question about Vick, Reid gave his answer but finished it by saying it's "nothing to fight over."

 

https://deadspin.com/so-heres-what-really-happened-when-a-pair-of-philly-foo-5844817

 

 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Which Campbell or JJAW. I think they viewed JJAW could do both at a high level as he showed in college but they thought Campbell ultimately would be better at the next level in the slot. I know he mentioned the colts thought Campbell was best suited for the slot and they needed a slot so that’s why they took him. I have to go back to that podcast and find the exact words he used. 

Campbell. 

Last year, they needed a WR.  They knew they were drafting one.

Weighing Campbell (or Hardman) against JJAW shouldn’t have been some spur of the moment surprise where Howie had to deal with 2 people arguing for Campbell and someone with clout arguing for JJAW.

Save that garbage for an irrelevant free for all in round 7.  It should have been a reflex based on untold hours of research and discourse who they were drafting in round 2 at a position of need.  If you are shocked and disappointed that Hardman is off the board, then draft your next guy or scramble to trade out.  The concept of debating who to pick at the same position under the live fire of the draft is crazy.  

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Are you sure JJAW being rated lower was the consensus, or just by the source for McLane's article.  Can you be sure the source doesn't have an axe to grind as well?

This could all be true, but it just doesn't seem to be a symptom of a front office that shouldn't be running a draft.

He is clearly assuming that McLane's information is legit, or at least that there is a very good possibility it is. If he wants to do that it's all well and good but based on McLane's history, not taking this with a huge grain of salt is silly. Not to mention stopping and using common sense for a minute. What team is going to spend months and thousands of hours to prepare a draft board, only to draft someone they have rated lower on that board than someone else at the same position who is available. 

7 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

That's exactly what he said. He didn't say who they had ranked higher. He said they wanted Hardman and when he went off the board right before their pick it came down to JJAW and Campbell. As you said, Caplan said they chose JJAW because they wanted an outside receiver and they viewed Campbell as a slot guy. This was two or three weeks ago, I totally forgot about this.

Sadly I didn’t really like Campbell or Jjaw. I actually really really didn’t like either of them. I loved mecole hardman even with his injury he had in the past. I know people got annoyed with me on the blog because I kept bringing him up saying I would take him at 57 even though I thought he was a third rounder because I thought he was going to be a legitimate deep threat in the NFL and could learn from desean early in his career. 

also was more for taking a safety after hardman went to the chiefs. I wanted thornhill. I thought he was a perfect third safety and eventual replacement for mcleod in 2020. People really didn’t like thornHill though because he couldn’t tackle. He actually reminds me a lot of Delpit this year who also isn’t a very good tackler. Although i think delpit is a better prospect. 
 

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Again, I’m discussing it as reported. I’m not trying to get in the head of the reporter or his source. I see no value in that. 

I respectfully disagree.  Do you consider "reporting" from Spadaro to be unbiased?  What about a piece from a national reporter?

McLane has had an agenda.  So I look at his "reporting" differently than other beat writers.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Campbell. 

I’d have to go back and listen. I know for a fact he said the colt thought he was a slot receiver and that’s why they took him. I want to say from what I remember (because it was three weeks ago since they had the podcast) that the reason they went with Jjaw was because he thought he’d have more success on the outside then Campbell who they thought would be better suited to play the slot

8 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

 

First, the backstory. Philly is an unusual daily newspaper town, in that the broadsheet Inquirer and the tabloid Daily News compete against one another even though they're owned by the same company, Philadelphia Media Network. They also share the same website, and the integration of their content at Philly.com is so complete it's sometimes difficult to tell which story is the product of which paper. The company, like most metro newspaper enterprises, is also struggling financially: A few weeks back, it got out that PMN had offered buyouts to some employees, and that "those eligible are all current full-time ... newsroom reporters, columnists, writers, editors, artists, photographers, copy editors, make-up persons and desk assistants."

In other words, tensions have been running high. Yesterday morning, things boiled over on Twitter, which set everything up for today's throwdown. McLane first wrote a story that was posted on Philly.com, citing sources, that said Michael Vick was likely to start Sunday despite the bone bruise in his hand. A short time later, Bowen fired off a tweet that said, "Oh, and BTW, nobody has any idea on Tuesday whether Michael Vick is starting this week. It was obvious Monday Andy thinks/hopes he will."

McLane took this as a slight, and soon afterward he responded with a series of tweets that he's since taken down. But the Philly blog Crossing Broad helpfully screen-grabbed them for the rest of us, and here's what they said, in rapid succession:

Yeah. Ouch. Bowen tweeted at someone else a short time later that he "will handle my business in person, not thru yapping on Twitter. But thanks for your concern." Yet what he was actually doing was spoiling for a fight—and right there in the media room.

Shortly after 11 a.m. today, according to a source, McLane and a few other reporters were working in the media room in advance of Eagles head coach Andy Reid's usual Wednesday availability. Bowen, whose work space is on the other side of the room from McLane's, entered and instead walked "with a little extra force" down the row of cubicles on McLane's side, the source said. And then it began.

"Who the F are you to question my professionalism?" snapped Bowen, who has maybe 15 to 20 years on McLane. "It's one thing if it's just me and you going at it, but it's another thing to do it in front of thousands of people on Twitter."

At his point, the source said, the two men were inches apart. Bowen contined, calling McLane "an insecure piece of crap" and a "****." McLane fired back something about how Bowen should have called him the night before to talk it over, to which Bowen replied, "I'm standing up to you right now."

From there, the source said, Bowen told McLane he was going to "knock [his] Fing teeth down [his] throat" and delivered a punch to the side of McLane's head. McLane, obviously flustered, never really fought back but instead offered to take the matter outside. The source said Bowen delivered at least one more "open-fisted slap" at the side of McLane's head. Phil Sheridan, an Inquirer columnist, stepped between the two to break things up. Eventually, they took it outside, where the five or six reporters in the room watched from the window and through the door to see what would happen next.

The source said McLane and Bowen were outside for at least 10 minutes, talking closely but not actually hitting each other. Eventually, things calmed down, and the day resumed as normal from there. Well, more or less. During practice, Samuel taunted the reporters, saying things like, "I'll give you a prediction on Sunday if you guys come out here and fight." Samuel also paraded around the locker room, as in the video above, at one point brandishing a box that he said contained a prize for the winner of a fight he kept demanding to see. And when McLane asked Reid a question about Vick, Reid gave his answer but finished it by saying it's "nothing to fight over."

 

https://deadspin.com/so-heres-what-really-happened-when-a-pair-of-philly-foo-5844817

 

 

LMAO, this is the clown whose report we have some people getting all worked up over. A guy who was completely unethical as a journalist and talked crap on someone over twitter. Then when he was confronted in person he got punched and **** slapped by an old man and did nothing.

58 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

1000%. Salt, salt, pepper and some EVO is all you need almost every time 

Neanderthal.  How in the world do you infuse flavor into a lean cut that doesn’t have fat. The EVOO?  Frying it?  And salt, salt.  A little sodium enhances but that sounds like overkill.  Man, your stews, roasts, pit beef, chucks, and briskets must be dull.

3 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I respectfully disagree.  Do you consider "reporting" from Spadaro to be unbiased?  What about a piece from a national reporter?

McLane has had an agenda.  So I look at his "reporting" differently than other beat writers.

In other words, you use common sense.

52 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Amik Robertson is such a Schwartz type of guy. I like him but if he’s there at 103 I’d bet money he’s the pick. 

Would rather have Reggie Robinson, CB, Tulsa a round later

Just now, downundermike said:

Would rather have Reggie Robinson, CB, Tulsa a round later

I kind of think if Jaylen Johnson is there at 53 that that’s going to be the pick for the Eagles. I know he’s had injury past but he’s really good when he’s healthy. I think he’s also a scheme fit. Plus there’s an actual chance with his injuries he might slip to that area. 

5 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I'm not taking it in different directions. I'm looking at things from every angle, as opposed to you who is caught up in simple thinking.

McLane's history is a huge factor in all of this, since the whole point of this is whether or not you believe what McLane is saying. Writing this aspect of the conversation off might be your worst take yet. You either think McLane is telling the truth, full of crap, or consider both as a possibility. His history of negativity and lack of objectivity towards the organization is central to all of this. Not only that, try using common sense. What team would spend months of preparing rankins, only to draft a player over someone they themselves ranked higher. I choose to not believe what he is saying and think it's laughable that anyone would. Unlike you though I'm not going to get mad about it if someone else sees the situation differently.

Gee, thanks for explaining to me how all of this works. Like I said, you should totally be working for an NFL team running drafts.

Umm... Sure. 

Me, repeatedly, I’m discussing this report as written. 

You. But Campbell sucked, you can’t use hindsight (which you were doing), McLane is a hack, apparently teams don’t know how to break clusters or differentiate between players prior to the draft, you should be a GM, you’re a drama queen. 

Did I get that right?

Solak just put out his final mock. He has the Eagles trading 53 to move up from 21 to 13 and then drafting Lamb.

12 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I respectfully disagree.  Do you consider "reporting" from Spadaro to be unbiased?  What about a piece from a national reporter?

McLane has had an agenda.  So I look at his "reporting" differently than other beat writers.

Not defending McLane, but the Dillard situation there was like four reporters doing that. It was Mclane, Kempski, zangaro (it might have been Roob was on the podcast) and even Berman backed some of it up on the BWF podcast.  

The Dillard situation to me when that rumor came out was more somebody was leaking that (in my opinion) from the Eagles who wasn’t happy with the development or attitude Dillard had last year. When it’s 4 different reporters it feels like that’s not an axe but coming from within the organization from someone who wasn’t happy and trying to lit a fire under dillard’s arse

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Last year, they needed a WR.  They knew they were drafting one.

Weighing Campbell (or Hardman) against JJAW shouldn’t have been some spur of the moment surprise where Howie had to deal with 2 people arguing for Campbell and someone with clout arguing for JJAW.

Save that garbage for an irrelevant free for all in round 7.  It should have been a reflex based on untold hours of research and discourse who they were drafting in round 2 at a position of need.  If you are shocked and disappointed that Hardman is off the board, then draft your next guy or scramble to trade out.  The concept of debating who to pick at the same position under the live fire of the draft is crazy.  

Congrats on your common sense. 

Just now, T-1000 said:

Solak just put out his final mock. He has the Eagles trading 53 to move up from 21 to 13 and then drafting Lamb.

If we do that would we be the only team in the league with only one top 100 pick? (I get 103 is just 3 picks outside)