2 minutes ago, FTheCowboys said:

Ok, so here's the deal since people started to turn this into a contentious thing here.

 

The only contentious thing I see your namecalling, especially toward long-time bloggers and acting with a sense of self-righteousness. Of course by saying this I become self-righteous, but I at least know when to stop.

As for the rest of the junk you wrote, I really don't care about.It is pretty easy to get along in here...Have a take or an opinion and let it exist as just that.

40 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

It’s now currently lost in the sea of madness. I generally enjoy your insight. So if you have a chance can you pm it?! That’s a lot of wading to do haha. 

Would be glad to but I have no idea how to search for my posts. Mattwill was the king of that.

Speaking of Matt, he has registered. I think Franklin and I were the only ones that spotted that.  I have PMed him and asked that he make an appearance.  Now if only JR could talk D20 into coming back. 

12 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

50% hits is about average for the second round. Not sure I put JMat in with the misses.  He did well before the injury.   Not ready to give up on Jones.  Supposedly working with a CB guru. I really suspect he gets his confidence back with Jenkins’ "leadership” gone.  With Slay on the other outside spot, he may just rise up and claim the number two slot.  Rowe did alright with the Pats, just became a poor fit here.  Jury is still out on JJAW.   Jarrett and Allen?  Owe to combine Jarrett’s instincts with Allen’s athleticism.  Perfect S.

Sorry, I was being sarcastic.    

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think he’s a QB who can do Taysom Hill things. 

I don’t know I feel ward is more similar to Taysom Hill then Jalen hurts is the Taysom Hill. To me hurts compared more to Lamar jackson style (not that he’s as good or will be as good just how you plan on using him). The reason I say that is because the Saints got Taysom Hill and had him learn the intricacies of playing wide receiver. So he lines up at wide receiver at times, knows what he’s doing at WR and even Goes out for routes at times. I don’t see Jalen hurts doing that Outside of a couple trick plays. Ward is similar that he can do that and you probably could use him as a running back at times and as a running quarterback who throws it maybe once in a while.  hurts Is closer to Lamar style usage and ward would be more utilized like hill. 

1 minute ago, TEW said:

Except Howie tended to draft athletes at the skill positions before Doug arrived and Doug never drafted athletes at the skill positions before joining the Eagles. 

Did Douglas run a draft before going to NY?

I don’t necessarily disagree with the viewpoint that the Eagles put more emphasis on speed this year — the proof is in the pudding — I’m not absolving Howie of that. He told Weidl and Doug he wanted more speed and they agreed. He couldn’t do that with Douglas? 

According to McLane, Howie was talked into passing on Parris Campbell to draft a lower rated WR on Douglas’ board (JJAW). Would Douglas really argue against the board he set? Do you blame the persuader or the persuades? Ultimately, it’s Howie’s call. 

****Please, let’s not start an argument about McLane and the media at large. 

44 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Watching Michael Warren, he looks like the kind of RB who cuts 7-8 pounds and picks up some extra burst or a second gear that they didn’t have. He reminded me of CJ Anderson, both good and bad. 

I wonder if 220 or 218 adds anything to him. Not sure he is a multispeed kind of player.  But I like him as a spell back for Boobie and Scott and as a fourth quarter weapon. Just when the other team focuses too much on his inside runs, he goes out and catches a pitch for first down.

3 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

The only contentious thing I see your namecalling, especially toward long-time bloggers and acting with a sense of self-righteousness. Of course by saying this I become self-righteous, but I at least know when to stop.

As for the rest of the junk you wrote, I really don't care about.It is pretty easy to get along in here...Have a take or an opinion and let it exist as just that.

I don’t make things personal, I don’t recall me resorting to name calling. People started to make things personal with me and I defended myself. If I did insult someone personally I will always apologize for it and if I did I apologize.

Day 1 - Good, but could, even should have been better.

Day 2 - Kill with fire, wish it never happened.

Day 3 - Pretty great day, love the picks.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t know I feel ward is more similar to Taysom Hill then Jalen hurts is the Taysom Hill. To me hurts compared more to Lamar jackson style (not that he’s as good or will be as good just how you plan on using him). The reason I say that is because the Saints got Taysom Hill and had him learn the intricacies of playing wide receiver. So he lines up at wide receiver at times, knows what he’s doing at WR and even Goes out for routes at times. I don’t see Jalen hurts doing that Outside of a couple trick plays. Ward is similar that he can do that and you probably could use him as a running back at times and as a running quarterback who throws it maybe once in a while.  hurts Is closer to Lamar style usage and ward would be more utilized like hill. 

Ward is too small to run the power stuff that Lamar, Taysom and Hurts can do IMO. 

Just now, D-Shiznit said:

Day 1 - Good, but could, even should have been better.

Day 2 - Kill with fire, wish it never happened.

Day 3 - Pretty great day, love the picks.

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

I wonder if 220 or 218 adds anything to him. Not sure he is a multispeed kind of player.  But I like him as a spell back for Boobie and Scott and as a fourth quarter weapon. Just when the other team focuses too much on his inside runs, he goes out and catches a pitch for first down.

He looks pudgy. I think he has extra weight to burn off. Clement had to do the same thing. It made a world of difference for him. 

47 minutes ago, TEW said:

This is a huge year for him.  He's had time to adjust and learn.  Now he needs to show that he is more than a ball of clay.  He needs to show some development.  But if he does, we are suddenly looking pretty good at OT with Jordan, Prince, Andre and Lane.

JR still believes. He was mediocre in both PSs. I think this is do or die for him. Really hope we have a preseason.  

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

The reports are "Hill on steroids" which makes me think using him in the same way, more often, and also getting more creative.

Doug was genuinely innovative with his aggressiveness on 4th down and in red zone situations. He took it to extremes that the analytics supported but no other coach was comfortable approving.  It paid off with a Super Bowl.

I have a sneaking suspicion that Doug, and the Eagles as an organization, are looking at the trends in the NFL.  They are looking at spacing.  They are looking at RPOs. They are looking at the speed in KC.  They are looking at what the Saints did with Hill and the Ravens did with Jackson.  And then they are taking that and looking forward. What happens when you combine spacing, RPOs, extreme speed, and multiple passing threats into one offense?  How do defenses counter that?  What kind of pressure does it put on not only the opposing defense, but the opposing offense?  What do the analytics look like if you are showing so many different options and stretching them vertically and horizontally on every play?

I think they may genuinely try this in a non-gimmicky way, but as a real and substantial part of their offense.  We have two super athletic QBs who can pass.  We have 5 (FIVE!) deep threats at WR.  We have big play RBs in Sanders, Scott, and now Killins. I think Doug might have some ideas about pushing these boundaries. Wentz, Hurts, Jackson, Reagor, Goodwin, and Ertz. That's a lot of stress on a defense both pre and post snap. 

Taysom Hill has thrown 13 passes in 2 years.  Banner is right that you don't use a second round pick on that.

Lamar Jackson took over the starting QB role for the Ravens after 9 games.  Even though the Eagles cite the Ravens in 2018 as an example, I doubt they plan to phase Wentz out of the offense after 9 games.  So this model sucks too.  But let's at least look at Jackson's usage through the 9 games in which we was NOT the starting QB, since this was cited by coach and GM for the Wentz/Hurts model.

Per game numbers for Jackson when Flacco started for 9 weeks:

Passing: 1.3 passes, 9.7 yards passing, 1TD (total), 0INT

Rushing: 3.1 att, 15.4 yds, 1 TD (total)

I'm gonna go ahead and say that the Flacco/Jackson model is total BS as well.

They drafted Hurts as Wentz insurance.

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

JR still believes. He was mediocre in both PSs. I think this is do or die for him. Really hope we have a preseason.  

I thought he looked better than mediocre.  He looked downright outstanding at times.  The consistency and football IQ isn't there for obvious reasons, but he flashed a ton of potential IMO.

1 minute ago, TEW said:

The reports are "Hill on steroids" which makes me think using him in the same way, more often, and also getting more creative.

Doug was genuinely innovative with his aggressiveness on 4th down and in red zone situations. He took it to extremes that the analytics supported but no other coach was comfortable approving.  It paid off with a Super Bowl.

I have a sneaking suspicion that Doug, and the Eagles as an organization, are looking at the trends in the NFL.  They are looking at spacing.  They are looking at RPOs. They are looking at the speed in KC.  They are looking at what the Saints did with Hill and the Ravens did with Jackson.  And then they are taking that and looking forward. What happens when you combine spacing, RPOs, extreme speed, and multiple passing threats into one offense?  How do defenses counter that?  What kind of pressure does it put on not only the opposing defense, but the opposing offense?  What do the analytics look like if you are showing so many different options and stretching them vertically and horizontally on every play?

I think they may genuinely try this in a non-gimmicky way, but as a real and substantial part of their offense.  We have two super athletic QBs who can pass.  We have 5 (FIVE!) deep threats at WR.  We have big play RBs in Sanders, Scott, and now Killins. I think Doug might have some ideas about pushing these boundaries. Wentz, Hurts, Jackson, Reagor, Goodwin, and Ertz. That's a lot of stress on a defense both pre and post snap. 

I gotta be honest, I don’t have much interest in watching football with two passers on the field at all times. 

I’m all for advancing the game, but that’s a bridge too far. 

44 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

As much as we make fun of Dave Gettleman I didn’t think he had a bad draft. I thought his first five picks were solid. He did the things that the Giants really needed which was getting offensive line and adding some pieces on defense and offense. I think Andrew Thomas is going to be a good left tackle. I would rather had wills, wirfs or becton but i don’t think he’s that far off from those guys. I also really liked the pick of Peart In the third round.  Was hoping if the eagles were going to take a tackle 3-4 round that it was him. he’s going to be a starting right tackle if you give them a year To develop him. I was super high on him when I watch UConn. I don’t think he’s going to be lane Johnson good but I do think he could be a starting caliber tackle in the NFL. Then add on that they got McKinney in the second round. Also liked the Value for Holmes and lemieux in rounds 4 and 5. Holmes could likely be their slot corner and lemieux is a solid backup that has potential to be more. Credit to gettleman he didn’t screw it up. 
 

redskins obvious loved chase young and i liked gibson. The rest of the class less then impressed  

 

Andrews was my favorite LT. Great slide and decent punch. Really building that OL.  McKinney is a head scratcher for them but rather they got him than Dallas. Their D is still a draft away.

Gibson went way too early for a project player. Rivera has never been an offensive guy. Not much help for wasteam’s biggest defensive weakness at CB. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah I actually agree with banner on that. If you were going to run something like Taysom Hill you just use Greg Ward and save the second round pick. I think they have more of a quarterback plan with hurts then hill who’s wide receiver/running back/quarterback and special teams. I think ward would be more likely to be used like taysom hill whereas hurts more like Lamar Jackson where he can run but he’s also going to throw more and not likely play WR like taysom hill. he definitely isn’t Playing special teams like taysom hill. 

here's how i think the eagles see the hurts situation playing out.

his first year may very well look a LOT like taysom hill packages.  he will come in, but not really pass.  every redzone or short yardage situation he'll be put into, it'll be a run.  teams are going to get used to seeing this look and start stacking the box against hurts.  doug will STILL run the ball and teams WILL stop us.  i can already see taters complaining "DOUG!!  THEY KNOW YOU ARE RUNNING WITH HURTS!  JUST KEEP WENTZ IN!  HE CAN CONVERT ON F'N THIRD AND SHORT / IN THE REDZONE!".  hurts MAY pass like three times during the season.

year two, same looking packages, but on more of the plays, hurts will pass.  teams stacking the box will now see passes go over the linebackers' heads and conversions with hurts will increase.  teams will start having to play on their heels because with hurts coming in, it won't be a signal that they are running the ball.  it could be either or.  hurts will have more success on his "packages".

year 3, hurts will be running the offense like wentz.  when he comes in, the offense won't change from how carson runs it.  he'll have the whole playbook and teams won't be able to key on any specific tendency when hurts comes in.

at the end...  if we win a super bowl along the way, the birds will have a choice to make.  extend wentz with another monster contract OR continue with hurts.  they could also trade hurts, but who knows about wentz's health down the road that far.  maybe hurts has been forced to play an extended amount of time during one of the years cause of an injury to wentz.  at that point, i think it would be a problem howie would like to have.

p.s. sorry for the long read.

3 minutes ago, TEW said:

The reports are "Hill on steroids" which makes me think using him in the same way, more often, and also getting more creative.

Doug was genuinely innovative with his aggressiveness on 4th down and in red zone situations. He took it to extremes that the analytics supported but no other coach was comfortable approving.  It paid off with a Super Bowl.

I have a sneaking suspicion that Doug, and the Eagles as an organization, are looking at the trends in the NFL.  They are looking at spacing.  They are looking at RPOs. They are looking at the speed in KC.  They are looking at what the Saints did with Hill and the Ravens did with Jackson.  And then they are taking that and looking forward. What happens when you combine spacing, RPOs, extreme speed, and multiple passing threats into one offense?  How do defenses counter that?  What kind of pressure does it put on not only the opposing defense, but the opposing offense?  What do the analytics look like if you are showing so many different options and stretching them vertically and horizontally on every play?

I think they may genuinely try this in a non-gimmicky way, but as a real and substantial part of their offense.  We have two super athletic QBs who can pass.  We have 5 (FIVE!) deep threats at WR.  We have big play RBs in Sanders, Scott, and now Killins. I think Doug might have some ideas about pushing these boundaries. Wentz, Hurts, Jackson, Reagor, Goodwin, and Ertz. That's a lot of stress on a defense both pre and post snap. 

I applaud your creativity.  I don't think Hurts is going to be incorporated meaningfully into the offense without Wentz leaving the field.  I look forward to being proven wrong there, because it's sure to be a circus.  

Just now, eagle45 said:

Taysom Hill has thrown 13 passes in 2 years.  Banner is right that you don't use a second round pick on that.

Lamar Jackson took over the starting QB role for the Ravens after 9 games.  Even though the Eagles cite the Ravens in 2018 as an example, I doubt they plan to phase Wentz out of the offense after 9 games.  So this model sucks too.  But let's at least look at Jackson's usage through the 9 games in which we was NOT the starting QB, since this was cited by coach and GM for the Wentz/Hurts model.

Per game numbers for Jackson when Flacco started for 9 weeks:

Passing: 1.3 passes, 9.7 yards passing, 1TD (total), 0INT

Rushing: 3.1 att, 15.4 yds, 1 TD (total)

I'm gonna go ahead and say that the Flacco/Jackson model is total BS as well.

They drafted Hurts as Wentz insurance.

I think it could be both.  Clearly the Wentz insurance is the primary factor.  But if Hurts gets 8-10 plays per game where he touches the ball (throw or pass), isn't that about the same amount of touches a 2nd round skill player would get?

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Ward is too small to run the power stuff that Lamar, Taysom and Hurts can do IMO. 

Power stuff yes. i think ward you can get on the perimeter to not take the power hits hill does (based on the SI article i read he ran a 4.3 in 2015 at Houston and then the texans clocked him at 4.48 so he has better speed than hurts and closer to hill)

I’m still disappointed that last year one of the things I was really hoping when ward got activated was to have 2-3 creative plays Package gadget plays with Greg Ward because their offense was lacking some juice at times. And then they never did it. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Taysom Hill has thrown 13 passes in 2 years.  Banner is right that you don't use a second round pick on that.

Lamar Jackson took over the starting QB role for the Ravens after 9 games.  Even though the Eagles cite the Ravens in 2018 as an example, I doubt they plan to phase Wentz out of the offense after 9 games.  So this model sucks too.  But let's at least look at Jackson's usage through the 9 games in which we was NOT the starting QB, since this was cited by coach and GM for the Wentz/Hurts model.

Per game numbers for Jackson when Flacco started for 9 weeks:

Passing: 1.3 passes, 9.7 yards passing, 1TD (total), 0INT

Rushing: 3.1 att, 15.4 yds, 1 TD (total)

I'm gonna go ahead and say that the Flacco/Jackson model is total BS as well.

They drafted Hurts as Wentz insurance.

Those aren’t mutually exclusive thoughts. He can be both the backup QB/insurance and play a Taysom Hill/rookie Lamar role. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I gotta be honest, I don’t have much interest in watching football with two passers on the field at all times. 

I’m all for advancing the game, but that’s a bridge too far. 

I don't think it would be "at all times" but 10-15 times per game?

I think it could be devastating to defenses and incredibly exciting. The tric'k is you have to have 2 guys who are both athletic and legitimate passers.  Most teams don't have one of those guys.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Those aren’t mutually exclusive thoughts. He can be both the backup QB/insurance and play a Taysom Hill/rookie Lamar role. 

Does Taysom Hill/rookie Lamar for 4 years plus backup QB merit a 2nd round pick?  I say no, not even close.  But it wouldn't be the least we've gotten out of a second round pick in recent years, that's for sure.

Just now, eagle45 said:

Does Taysom Hill/rookie Lamar for 4 years plus backup QB merit a 2nd round pick?  I say no, not even close.  But it wouldn't be the least we've gotten out of a second round pick in recent years, that's for sure.

In three years, I suspect he’ll have started some games and the Eagles will hope he played well enough to trade.