8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I get your drift.  I think the main reason, historically, teams do not invest in their backup QB is because they aren't winning a superbowl if their starter goes down for an extended period.  So you might as well stack up your investment into the supporting cast, not the insurance policy.

Of course, the Eagles happen to be one of the most spectacular exceptions of all time to that conventional wisdom.

I think the key word there is historically.

I think this was absolutely true, historically speaking: if your starter went down, your chances at a ring were basically over. There just weren't enough good QBs for all the teams in the NFL.

I think things have changed a bit in that regard, and it began at the collegiate level, trickled down to high school, and now has impacted the pros.  QBs just throw a lot more passes in their teens and early 20's than they used to throw.  That repetition has increased the number of competent QBs. The schemes are another thing. RPOs, spread offenses, and the rest of it have really opened things up and allowed more athletic players to flourish.

The 90's may have had more HOF caliber QBs with the likes of Elway, Marino, Kelly, Aikman, Young, Favre, Moon, etc. but there was very little depth at the position.  Looking at things now, there are a LOT of competent QBs. Maybe not as many true all-time greats, but even bad teams have decent QBs these days.  Backups routinely light things up and overtake the incumbent. It's common for rookies and second year QBs to not just start, but thrive. I don't know if Hurts is going to be a great QB or not, or win us a SB or not, but he's an athletic guy with a good arm.  He's a good prospect.  He has starter level talent. His upside is Russell WIlson.

So given all of that, does he give you a better chance at winning a SB over the next 4 years than a player at another position? That's the only question that matters. I don't know. This isn't something I even considered before the draft. Maybe I'm trying to talk myself into it, but the more I think about it, the more sense it makes.  You can get solid vets for mid to lower round picks if you need a starter. We've done it many times the last few years.  You can't get a good QB without investing major resources or hitting the figurative lottery.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It's worth noting that Jason Peters still doesn't have a job.  

That tells you what the rest of the NFL thinks of what's left of him.

He may have to retire.

I’m sure cost and teams waiting out the draft have something to do with it. 

Worth noting: We have an open roster spot. 

Any word on Everson Griffen?  Would love to get him on one year heavy incentives deal

39 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Does Taysom Hill/rookie Lamar for 4 years plus backup QB merit a 2nd round pick?  I say no, not even close.  But it wouldn't be the least we've gotten out of a second round pick in recent years, that's for sure.

I think it does with Carson’s injury history.  IIRC, Foles was a high round four who had been projected higher.  

Just now, BigEFly said:

I think it does with Carson’s injury history.  IIRC, Foles was a high round four who had been projected higher.  

He was a 3rd round pick.  We didn't have any future at QB at the time either though.

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Of all the speed we have added this weekend, I'm not sure anyone looks faster on tape than this Killins character.  He's truly diminutive and may not amount to much, but you literally cannot see his feet with a standard frame rate.  Every time he crosses the end zone with no one near him, it's at full speed with a head bob like he's trying to break the plane first in the olympic trials.  He does this every time when there is no one within 10 yards.  It's somewhat comical.

He also has one of the most blinding shoulder/head fakes I've ever seen. Like you said, it's a blur, and I can't imagine being a safety with that guy running at me in the open field.

I think he has a real chance to make the roster.  Obviously the speed is his calling card, but he's not just a fast guy playing football.  He has good hands. He's a good return man. I think he'll carve out a niche for himself in the league. You just can't teach that kind of speed.

 

Hot off the presses

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I think it does with Carson’s injury history.  IIRC, Foles was a high round four who had been projected higher.  

3rd rounder, a few spots after Russell Wilson who was Andy's target.

1 hour ago, FTheCowboys said:

Ok, so here's the deal since people started to turn this into a contentious thing here.

 

I wear my heart on my sleeve. I post my raw emotions, I post my thoughts. Sometimes they'll be analytical. Sometimes they'll be just me venting my raw frustrations. I'm passionate, I like to rant. That's my style. I happen to really dislike this draft and much of what they've done this offseason. I've explained why in great depth several times. That's how I feel. I'm always going to give my honest opinions positive or negative. I don't participate in groupthink. I'll stand by my opinions on something whether I'm in the majority, like I am with the Jalen Hurts move. Or if I'm the only person in the world who feels some way about a move. People disingenuously started to front about that being a bunch of different things that simply untrue and factually incorrect. I didn't "literally" complain about the same thing in every post, as we discussed things I'd like the Eagles to do and positions I'd like them to target in free agency. My cynicism for this draft is bothering people. That's your right. However, that, I can't help you with. Don't tell me how or what to post. All I can suggest is if you don't like reading it, there is an ignore option and you're more than welcome to use it if you're that thin skinned. Enjoy your night.

If honesty is your thing, this post makes you seem thin skinned.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Uhhhhhhhh

Man, to be inside that locker room would be gold.

4 minutes ago, IggleWalt said:

Man, to be inside that locker room would be gold.

FWIW, three percenters aren't "white supremacists." That's pretty egregious slander.

They're gun and states rights advocates.

Recorded the draft today and just spent the last 4 hours watching it and reading through around 75 pages of the Blog. Well done, gents. Had to skip over a bunch of posts from some poster that wants to have sex with the Cowboys, got progressively weirder and more obsessive as the day went on.

Anyways, loved what they did today and echo most in here. Swap the Hurts pick, or even just rejig the order and choose him later, and there isn’t much of a blemish in the entire group. Factor in Slay and Goodwin’s new deal and that’s impressive as hell. And even the UDFA class looks like it could have some gems. Holy **** is Killins fast.

Last note - many were ragging on the ESPN coverage all day, and I totally agree, but the worst offense to me was only listing Slay and NRC on the continually-displayed Eagles’ 2020 acquisitions graphic. How the f/ck is Hargrave not included? DT is going to be an absolute monster group this year.

I think outside of Slay and Reagor, this draft was all about building young depth to help win now, and hope to get lucky with a couple developing into starters.

The last few years Howie focused on winning now and sacrificed young depth, they won a SB, came within a dropped pass of possibly going back to the Championship game, same with a cheap hit last year that ended their season. So the results justified the strategy, they were in position to make deep playoff runs each year if their luck held out.

The price had to be paid, the next two years will be about accumulating draft picks to build depth, but you rarely get instant starters outside of the first round, even the 2nd rd guys who eventually start need a year or two in most cases, so you need to build up a young, experienced roster that works its way up the food chain.

Hurts wasn't a reach, he was picked where a risky but talented QB prospect gets picked, not good enough for the 1st round, not bad enough for the middle (3rd to 5th) rounds. Is he a luxury? If Wentz was durable, yes, but Wentz at this point is a 50/50 bet to get through a season. And we can't expect to find a Foles after the 2nd round on a regular basis, maybe a 10% chance of landing a marginal starting QB after the 2nd round. The two backup QBs on our roster before the draft were both picked up off the street after other teams drafted them, so go high or go home when it comes to drafting QBs.

The rest of the draft was about depth, WR, LB, DB, the weak spots on the team. STs and insurance against injury.

Howie will sign some UDFAs, and scour the waiver wire when the season starts to fill out the PS.  All about building young, cheap depth.

Since January, they're deeper at QB, WR, DT, DE, CB, a wash at RB, OL, and S.

They upgraded from Darby, downgraded from Jenkins, upgraded from Jerrigan, downgraded from Bradham. So they should still be considered a 10 win, playoff caliber team.

There's more uncertainty than the last two seasons and more upside.

 

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I think outside of Slay and Reagor, this draft was all about building young depth to help win now, and hope to get lucky with a couple developing into starters.

The last few years Howie focused on winning now and sacrificed young depth, they won a SB, came within a dropped pass of possibly going back to the Championship game, same with a cheap hit last year that ended their season. So the results justified the strategy, they were in position to make deep playoff runs each year if their luck held out.

The price had to be paid, the next two years will be about accumulating draft picks to build depth, but you rarely get instant starters outside of the first round, even the 2nd rd guys who eventually start need a year or two in most cases, so you need to build up a young, experienced roster that works its way up the food chain.

Hurts wasn't a reach, he was picked where a risky but talented QB prospect gets picked, not good enough for the 1st round, not bad enough for the middle (3rd to 5th) rounds. Is he a luxury? If Wentz was durable, yes, but Wentz at this point is a 50/50 bet to get through a season. And we can't expect to find a Foles after the 2nd round on a regular basis, maybe a 10% chance of landing a marginal starting QB after the 2nd round. The two backup QBs on our roster before the draft were both picked up off the street after other teams drafted them, so go high or go home when it comes to drafting QBs.

The rest of the draft was about depth, WR, LB, DB, the weak spots on the team. STs and insurance against injury.

Howie will sign some UDFAs, and scour the waiver wire when the season starts to fill out the PS.  All about building young, cheap depth.

Since January, they're deeper at QB, WR, DT, DE, CB, a wash at RB, OL, and S.

They upgraded from Darby, downgraded from Jenkins, upgraded from Jerrigan, downgraded from Bradham. So they should still be considered a 10 win, playoff caliber team.

There's more uncertainty than the last two seasons and more upside.

I pretty much agree with this.

I do think the offense will be substantially improved.  The lack of a deep threat was glaring. Getting Jackson back, adding Reagor, plus Goodwin Quez and Hightower makes this team wildly more explosive.

2 hours ago, TEW said:

I don’t really see any reaches early.

Some will say Reagor I guess, but to me he was a top 25 pick all the way. The idea that he would drop to the 2nd was wishful thinking.

Hurts is a QB. An extremely athletic QB. Those guys get drafted early. The betting markets put the O/U at 58.5. He went right where he should have. People can hate the player or strategy, but the pick was made right where it should have been.

Taylor? He was the 104th pick. With his athleticism, I’m not sure how at that point he could be considered a reach.

Whoever says Reagor isn’t paying attention. Speed travels up the board. Ruggs was the first WR taken. Hamler went first half of the 2nd. Reagor is a speedy WR. You can easily tell watching any of his highlights he’s faster than his 40 time. 

8 minutes ago, Double said:

Recorded the draft today and just spent the last 4 hours watching it and reading through around 75 pages of the Blog. Well done, gents. Had to skip over a bunch of posts from some poster that wants to have sex with the Cowboys, got progressively weirder and more obsessive as the day went on.

Anyways, loved what they did today and echo most in here. Swap the Hurts pick, or even just rejig the order and choose him later, and there isn’t much of a blemish in the entire group. Factor in Slay and Goodwin’s new deal and that’s impressive as hell. And even the UDFA class looks like it could have some gems. Holy **** is Killins fast.

Last note - many were ragging on the ESPN coverage all day, and I totally agree, but the worst offense to me was only listing Slay and NRC on the continually-displayed Eagles’ 2020 acquisitions graphic. How the f/ck is Hargrave not included? DT is going to be an absolute monster group this year.

I really hope he makes it. Looks like he can be a fun player. 

5 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I really hope he makes it. Looks like he can be a fun player. 

Times as fast as 4.27. 

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-footballs-18-fastest-players-in-2018-121107281/

19 minutes ago, TEW said:

FWIW, three percenters aren't "white supremacists." That's pretty egregious slander.

They're gun and states rights advocates.

States rights like, slavery?

I’m glad to have afan back. His optimism and posting style reminds me of the heyday of the blog. Welcome back, homie

23 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I’ve been paying attention.  Trust me.  Reagor at 21 was too high.  

Oh geeze thanks Draft Guru

Definitely glad they got Wentz some weapons. Won't lie I wanted mims over hurts but can see his value if wentz goes down again. All in all feel Howie did a decent job

49 minutes ago, Utebird said:

States rights like, slavery?

No. States Rights like, The Constitution

31 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I’ve been paying attention.  Trust me.  Reagor at 21 was too high.  

Happy to break the news to you that you’re wrong! Congratulations! You can like the pick. He’s a stud and an explosive, complete WR. If you need evidence of this, you’re in luck! There’s plenty! Thanks for playing and you congrats on your good news!

So since service sucks and however this new board is coded/labeled I can’t use govt computers I’ll have to catch up my readings in the morning. Got some time though so going through all 32 teams. 
 

AZ - solid building blocks and Hopkins. Fans can’t be complaining. 
 

Atl - terrible

Balt - absolutely killed it. Queen as a ‘Mosley’ replacement is huge. Added some nice weapons to an already nice offense. In theory drafted yanda’s replacement. If you can truly replace someone that good though. 
 

Buffalo - overpaid for diggs, but solid all around picks imo. 
 

Panthers - really nice draft. Love their secondary upgrades and brown is a beast. 
 

bears - uh sure...like the Johnson pick and not so much the rest. 
 

bengals - solid top 4 picks. Could be a few pieces there to turn that franchise around. If burrows wasn’t a one year flash in the pan they might be set. 
 

browns - much like bengals. Solid pieces to build a nice core. 
 

dallass - Cee dee is obviously a great pick. I’m m not high on diggs at all. Gallimore will plug and play day 1. Cox is gonna eat that rooks lunch at c. Needs some sand in his pants and isn’t really a mover. Overall they have a solid draft. 
 

Denver - saturated the team with talent. I know little to nothing about the back end. But they turned in 4 cards to start the draft that will have immediate impact if lock is worth a poop. 
 

detroit - kinda hard to mess up when you’re drafting that high each round. Fixed massive holes on D and gave Stafford a chance to make one last (or 2) late career playoff pushes. 
 

Green Bay - lol...

houston - same as above 

Indy - added a lot of talent to an already decent team. Rivers gonna have a year or 2 to get a ring. 
 

jax - looks like they threw darts at a board back half of the draft. Didn’t Jacksonville the front half though. Some solid additions. 
 

KC - the rich get richer. CEH is an amazing luxury pick at 32. He’s going to feast in that offense. Gay is a total Andy pick. Guy with a spotty past but immense talent. Andy making up for f’n up drafting kendricks over Wagner back in the day. 
 

raiders - gonna raider. Arnette was a reach imo but carr/mariota got some nice toys on the other side. 
 

chargers - full transparency, I think Herbert is a massive project. So we will see how he develops. Murray is a nice building block and I like them getting hill that late. 
 

rams - added some really solid pieces. Nothing earth shattering. Needed to rebuild their lb/s corps. Kinda did that. VJ as a cooks/speed replacement we will see how that plays out. 
 

phins - didn’t watch enough of Jackson to know if he was truly a reach. Tua needs to stay upright so it was a need. Like the Davis, jones and weaver picks. 
 

Vikings - drafted a metric butt ton of players. Lots to like. Theilin/Jefferson seems like a redundant duo to me. Dye and willekes are really good value picks to me. 
 

NE - I think they forgot the draft was happening or bill’s dog truly made the picks. Like dugger a lot. Uche is a massive reach to me. 
 

NO - not much volume wise but they added a perennial pro bowl center and a good pass rusher/joker. 
 

giants - solid. Took the safe pick at ot at 4. Then milked the best value they could out of every pick they had after. Took the best player on their board. Didn’t seem to reach at all. 
 

jets - same as giants. Nothing flashy. There’s a reason mims was the last wr taken during the flurry or wr picks. 
 

eagles - speed speed speed. Hurts as a back up we will debate for years so I’ll let that be. Only head scratcher was Bradley. Not sure I see him making the team outside of the perceived room in the lb cupboard. 
 

pitt - they march to the beat of their own drum. Like the mcfarland pick. Outside of that nothing stands out. I do however like dotson’s potential. 
 

SF - if healthy kinlaw is a cheaper replacement for Buckner being traded. Aiyuk was a reach to me. They added Williams to stop gap (with no plan) for another run. 
 

seahawks - never know what they’re thinking. Added 3 solid pieces with their first 3 picks. 
 

tampa - did nothing to help their secondary. Wirfs is a day 1 man bear pig starter. 
 

washington - young and Hudson will be long term pieces to an already very good front 7. Charles is a wishcast to replace an all pro lt. Whoever qb’s for that team is gonna spend a lot of time in the tub. Surprised they didn’t package some picks to get a bigger name ot. 
 

 

way too early draft analysis from me. In vague terms.