1 minute ago, Rhinoddd50 said:

I actually don't understand how he fell that far.   When you look at his frame, his athleticism, his production, and the level he played at (SEC) that says Top 85 pick in almost every draft.   So I really have to wonder how bad his knee injury is.   Has the pandemic really prevented teams from getting accurate medical diagnosis?    I kind of find that hard to believe.

I hope the Eagles can get him back to full health.  If they do he could be their 3rd best OT easily.   And as you said, he definitely has starting potential (if healthy). 

I think him slated to participate in the Senior Bowl but not being able to partake in any post season activities was a bigger red flag this year. Accessibility for the team doctors probably pushed guys down further than usual. If his knee is a minor concern that will have been my favorite pick of day 3 easily

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

One of the pillars for the draft seemed to be 'does he love football'?  If you get a guy who loves football, they are going to do 'football things' in their free time.  If you get a guy who loves 'the lifestyle that football stardom affords them', they are likely going to be getting fat and lazy on the couch.  Trust an expert on the latter.  

Oh I know but it’s entirely likely this is a red shirt draft. With so much raw talent that needs coaching I’m hoping they’re up for the challenge! 

6 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

So since service sucks and however this new board is coded/labeled I can’t use govt computers I’ll have to catch up my readings in the morning. Got some time though so going through all 32 teams. 
 

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Saw someone say new board was blocked at their work firewall now because it's a new domain or something like that. 

Not sure how much longer it'll take to not be considered new. 

33 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

I think Brandon cooks is a good comp. 

I think he runs tougher than Brandin Cooks, but that's a good name.   I think Reagor is a little thicker than Cooks as well.  About 10 lbs heavier (knocking off that added weight at the combine) and an inch taller.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Well you’re also the guy who was rationalizing the Hurts selection and seems to like the pick.  So there’s that.   

I don’t like the pick. Said it a bunch of times. Saw the logic behind it but didn’t like it. Two different things. 
 

But you know what I mean about the Reagor pick right? Your failure to acknowledge a few of us wanted him in the 1st? Green Dog, eagle45 were on that bus along with a few others

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Saw someone say new board was blocked at their work firewall now because it's a new domain or something like that. 

Not sure how much longer it'll take to not be considered new. 

It’s possible. The DoD actually blocked a lot of common websites to open up bandwidth and connection for the people teleworking. 

26 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Really good feet, I mean exceptional. Terrible technique, looks like a bird the way he flaps his arms. Just as raw as he can be but a very good athlete. Needs a year in the weight room and a lot of coaching but he’s got the coach. Has a chance to be very good. The proverbial high ceiling low floor.

Not bad for a kid that didn't put the pads on until late in high school, and didn't play OL until Auburn, I think.  You saw the same thing in him that I did.  Those feet are basketball feet.  I think that feet are natural, and hands can be taught.  So, its the right combo.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think he runs tougher than Brandin Cooks, but that's a good name.   I think Reagor is a little thicker than Cooks as well.  About 10 lbs heavier (knocking off that added weight at the combine) and an inch taller.

I always viewed cooks as pretty stout. I saw a few say Steve Smith. That’s pretty lofty given Smith is a borderline hof’r. Though the attitude attacking the ball and being a bully with it reminds me a lot of Smith. Not to mention his ridiculous athleticism. Smith could jump out of the stadium and so can reagor. 

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Given everything going on with the pandemic and abbreviated OTAs, TC, PS, etc.   

 

How hard could it/would it be for the NFL and NFLPA to negotiate an expanded roster and expanded PS this year?  Maybe just go to the new rules for the 2021 roster starting in 2020?  That would give 2 extra spots on the roster and a few more on the PS to mitigate cuts a little with less than ideal information.

It would absolutely make sense to add a few inactive roster spots. That’s a good idea

26 minutes ago, Doc S. said:

You've been banging this drum non-stop. Do you believe Howie operates in a vacuum? Do you think the Draft is a result of unilateral decisions he makes with no input from any other front office personnel or coaches? Do you think Howie sets the Eagles Draft board himself while Doug and Co. sit on their back decks watching rain fall?

I believe the decisions made are very odd and not cohesive. And ultimately he's GM so he's got to bring a cohesive approach. So whilst he's not operating alone he's GM he's culpable.

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Good for them. I don’t remember that.  But kudos.  They got their guy all along.  That’s what Howie would say too. But would/could have said the same about 20 other guys.  

I don’t care what Howie would say tbh. Reagor’s traits were a really good marriage for what the Eagles lacked, and said it all along. The one WR I thought was clearly a better fit was Jeudy. Reagor creates separation like few in the class, and can do it from any WR spot. Doesn’t require high volume. Plays bigger than he is (which is why he can play any WR position), and is the kind of deep threat the team lacked. Because he’s so sudden in his routes and cuts, he’s going to make plays in the short, intermediate and deep portion of the field. 
 

Not a player you feed the ball to, so I don’t think he’ll put up insane numbers, but he’s a guy defenses will always pay attention to. 

24 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Wanting Jefferson over reagor I get for some. 
Crying over mims I don’t. He was a late 2nd pick from the start and there was a reason he was the last wr taken during the run. 

Yup.  He was the guy that I started very excited about... when he was being talked about in the late rounds, but as he moved higher and higher up the board, I got more and more wary.  I think he's got a chance, given his size, speed and overall athleticism, but for me, that didn't really translate to the field as much.  He's still very raw and will need a lot of coaching.

10 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

It’s possible. The DoD actually blocked a lot of common websites to open up bandwidth and connection for the people teleworking. 

I can't even check my personal email at work. I can literally access DOD sites and nothing else right now 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup.  He was the guy that I started very excited about... when he was being talked about in the late rounds, but as he moved higher and higher up the board, I got more and more wary.  I think he's got a chance, given his size, speed and overall athleticism, but for me, that didn't really translate to the field as much.  He's still very raw and will need a lot of coaching.

He has size and body control. I know he tested well but that doesn’t pass the eyeball test on tape.  I would have been happy with him in the 3rd. Not happy with him at 53. 

9 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

The more I think about this pick, the more I lean towards the merging of 2 main rationales that might explain this pick best for me.

(1) After many years of watching and following the draft, I do tend to agree with the argument that has been made that, when you crunch the numbers, drafting QB's outside the Top 100 is almost always a wasted pick.   Even guys you think you are going to draft late and develop over the next 3-4 years almost never work out in the end.    For every AJ Feeley there are a dozen or more Clayton Thorson's.    

So if you want to draft a legit backup QB, with the potential to be groomed as an eventual starter, you do it in the Top 85.   And spend your later round picks on positions where you can still find legit backups and potential starters (i.e. LB, WR, OL, DB, TE, etc). 

(2) Then add the above into the economic factor that the market rate for a legit veteran backup QB these days is between $5M-$10M per year.   That is a lot of money spent for a guy you hope will sit on your bench all year acting as a cheerleader for your starter.   Now all of a sudden investing a 2nd or 3rd round pick in even your backup QB...a player with legit QB skills who can be called upon to win games for you...and paying them $1.5M per year makes for a compelling argument (especially depending on a team's potential salary cap situation going forward).

Again, I'm still not sure I would have invested #53 in Jalen Hurts.   And I am not trying to say the Eagles made the right pick.   But I can see the argument to be made for it.  

Also now that I have had some time to think about it some more I realize that while Points #1 and #2 are totally factual and logical, it's really not something Howie could or would openly say to the media to explain or justify the pick.    Any honest and open discussion on Jalen Hurts would require revealing insights on your roster and cap strategy publicly.   There is nothing to be gained by doing that for the Eagles.

 

 

28 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Toohill_Era?

 

5 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

From ask Dave forum 

 

Not sure how much I agree with the "long-term" portion of Spadaro's take here.  

This was a 4-year selection and an opportunity to bring in a high caliber #2 QB that will follow the blueprint of how the Ravens brought Lamar Jackson into the offense -- but Hurts will be an "X factor/joker/wildcard" -- whatever the proper term is in how he'll be incorporated into the offense.  There is no plan and no prospects to develop Hurts as the starter in the way the Ravens developed Lamar Jackson to take over as the starter -- and develop their entire offense to fit to him.

I believe Hurts will be active every Sunday beginning from very early in the season (Week 3 maybe) and will get 3-4 snaps per game to begin with; his job will be to break contain and break down the defense and give a different look.  If he's successful it will force the opposition to game plan for him -- even for those few plays he's in there.  

By mid season he will be getting 5-6 plays per game; some as a decoy and some as the QB -- and yes some plays he and Wentz will be out there at the same time.

He's definitely not going to be a clipboard holder; I'm pretty confident saying that.  I'm even more confident he won't get enough snaps at QB to create any QB controversy -- but he will be active every Sunday beginning pretty early on, and by mid-season he will be the #2 QB in the system.

The Eagles had to bring in a better option at #2 QB.  In 2017, 2018, and 2019 their season ended with the #2 QB in there.  The Eagles don't feel Sudfeld is that guy, and I agree with that

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Toohill_Era?

 

ToohillsNeckBeard_era

10 minutes ago, Rhinoddd50 said:

The more I think about this pick, the more I lean towards the merging of 2 main rationales that might explain this pick best for me.

(1) After many years of watching and following the draft, I do tend to agree with the argument that has been made that, when you crunch the numbers, drafting QB's outside the Top 100 is almost always a wasted pick.   Even guys you think you are going to draft late and develop over the next 3-4 years almost never work out in the end.    For every AJ Feeley there are a dozen or more Clayton Thorson's.    

So if you want to draft a legit backup QB, with the potential to be groomed as an eventual starter, you do it in the Top 85.   And spend your later round picks on positions where you can still find legit backups and potential starters (i.e. LB, WR, OL, DB, TE, etc). 

(2) Then add the above into the economic factor that the market rate for a legit veteran backup QB these days is between $5M-$10M per year.   That is a lot of money spent for a guy you hope will sit on your bench all year acting as a cheerleader for your starter.   Now all of a sudden investing a 2nd or 3rd round pick in even your backup QB...a player with legit QB skills who can be called upon to win games for you...and paying them $1.5M per year makes for a compelling argument (especially depending on a team's potential salary cap situation going forward).

Again, I'm still not sure I would have invested #53 in Jalen Hurts.   And I am not trying to say the Eagles made the right pick.   But I can see the argument to be made for it.  

Also now that I have had some time to think about it some more I realize that while Points #1 and #2 are totally factual and logical, it's really not something Howie could or would openly say to the media to explain or justify the pick.    Any discussion on Jalen Hurts would require revealing insights on your roster and cap strategy publicly.   There is nothing to be gained by doing that for the Eagles.

 

 

I agree on point 2. I disagree that on 1 in most situations. Would much prefer to keep drafting day 3 qbs with the knowledge that most will not become even good backups without using a top 85 pick.
 

To rationalize this, I think the Eagles are in a unique situation, partly by their own doing, partly not. They handed out the Wentz contract, so that ties them up into the situation you outlined in point 2. Not of their doing - Wentz has gotten injured a lot and has missed significant time and in key situations consistently. And Luck just retired after a similar career arc. I don’t doubt Pederson and Reich had conversations about Luck’s retirement. That set of circumstances is unique from every other front office. 
 

edit- adding on, I think the Eagles felt they had to have a real contingency plan for 2 years from now. 

11 hours ago, eagle45 said:

!!!!!!!!!!Alert!!!!!!!!!

Eagles COVID relief 4x100m relay race.  Standing room only.  Which relay team is your money on?

The football players:   Scott/Slay/Reagor/Desean

The lottery tickets: Killins/Hightower/Watkins/Goodwin

The linebackers: Bradley/Gerry/Brown/Taylor

The roster cuts: Douglas/Ward/JJAW/Alshon
 

Submit your predictions here!

Oh I see you felt underappreciated too so decided to do a remix of the original.

Well I liked them before they were popular! 😋

40 minutes ago, obedt said:

If I’m Alshon, not sure I even want to be traded anymore. The threat of all that speed if used effectively will draw attention up top. The player expected to replace me looked lost. The amount and quality of my opportunities just improved.
 

Next is a little bit cynical, but well, if I have issues with Carson, and see the team draft a qb so early, I mean it does get me thinking

Why would you even post this meaningless thought?  Who the F cares what Alshon wants?  

2 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Why would you even post this meaningless thought?  Who the F cares what Alshon wants?  

It’s a discussion board. Shoot all kinds of 💩 on the blog

8 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Of all the speed we have added this weekend, I'm not sure anyone looks faster on tape than this Killins character.  He's truly diminutive and may not amount to much, but you literally cannot see his feet with a standard frame rate.  Every time he crosses the end zone with no one near him, it's at full speed with a head bob like he's trying to break the plane first in the olympic trials.  He does this every time when there is no one within 10 yards.  It's somewhat comical.

He looks pretty good to me. Much better than Pumphrey already. I definitely don’t have the same vibe about him than I did with Pumphrey. 

9 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I didn’t say that. I’m just telling you what Jeffrey lurie said to Zach Berman. And it’s been a belief of the theirs since Andy Reid that’s why they’ve always had back ups like Jeff Garcia to Nick Foles to Kevin kolb to Michael Vick to Doug pederson to What they thought they were getting with mike McMahon (although he was terrible). 

i believe there’s been 3-4 teams that have won with a backup. If you include Warner taking over for Trent green after he got hurt his first year might be More. 

Given that we are one of those teams to win with a backup, it is not surprising to see Lurie, or Howie and Doug, to place such a higher priority on the backup position.

The QB factory label was a silly thing to say, but they have gotten a lot in return via trades for QBs in the past.  

They got compensated twice for Foles (traded him and a 4th for a 2nd, and then a 3rd round comp).  They got a 1st for Bradford, they got 2nds for both Feeley and McNabb.

My gut tells me they hope to turn Hurts into a future 1st down the road.  It’s not inconceivable.

Not saying I like the pick, but it wouldn’t shock me if they come out on top with it in the end

54 minutes ago, obedt said:

If I’m Alshon, not sure I even want to be traded anymore. The threat of all that speed if used effectively will draw attention up top. The player expected to replace me looked lost. The amount and quality of my opportunities just improved.
 

Next is a little bit cynical, but well, if I have issues with Carson, and see the team draft a qb so early, I mean it does get me thinking

Who ever said Alshon wanted to be traded?