15 minutes ago, RLC said:

Completely forgot that Khalil Tate existed.

Interesting way to go with the final roster spot. 

I wonder if they try to convert him to a different position. 

Just now, FTheCowboys said:

 

I completely expect that. Its insane!

Just now, FTheCowboys said:

 

Perfect.

So we used a first to secure our deep threat, and took some late round resources to add 4 guys in hopes of finding 1 or 2 contributors.

And next year we can add another premium guy as Alshon and Desean come off the books.

8 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

The fundamental question that the FO will have asked themselves is a simple one. How many Nick Foles are out there ready to take a team over and deep into the play offs?  Not just get through a game, but win many games, including a Super Bowl.

Is that Sudfeld?  Or McCown?  And if it is a Wintson or Newton, how long can you keep them for?  Let alone considering the cap implications on your 55 man roster.  At some point, you either accept a highly paid backup that rotates constantly, or you bite the bullet and take a QB high to provide a long term 2nd QB that you can grow your system around year on year.

Which pill do you want to take?  Red or Blue?

For better or worse, the Eagles chose to draft another QB high that they did their work on, and one they have in-house expertise to improve on as a player.  You can't control a players injuries, accidents happen, but you can mitigate the impact.

I just wish some in the wider Eagles blogosphere (Kempski's, etc) would think at the macro level, rather than the micro level.  They come across as puerile infants having a hissy fit

I’m not local to the Philly area but the vast majority of Philly-area sports media looks to be just dreadful.  Seems like they’re always looking to undermine or stir things up.

I realize it doesn’t create any interest just to agree and go along with everything, but most of them come across as lacking any objectivity 

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

Clowney on a one year deal would make me really happy. Him on that line would give them a ton of talent and depth and it's the one position they didn't really address outside of a 7th round project. It could be the best line since the Buddy days and help the secondary a ton. I get the negatives and would still roll the dice. 

Why?  Clowney is a part time player and that in not because the Eagles platoon their DEs. He doesn’t play hard every down he is in the game.  Texans moved on because of his demands.  Seattle moved on yesterday.  I suspect he doesn’t sign early enough to even get Seattle a comp pick.  No thanks. DE is a position the Eagles have invested in.  Starters were both #1 draft choices.  Back ups the Eagles used three #4 draft choices on and developed.  What hurt the Eagles pass rush last year was they were down to an overused Cox, and Rush and Hector.  So what did they do?  They grabbed a real quality starter as their premium free agent signee.  They now have Jackson backing up Cox and Ridgeway backing up Hargrave.  They still have Rush and Hector.

There isn’t space on the roster for Toohill. Grabbed for his athleticism.  He needs a lot of tuning. Chances are he never gets there.  Picks in the seventh are glorified UDFAs.  Hits are rare. 

7 hours ago, Han Solo said:

We are in position to just bring waves of speed to throw at the defense.

Reagor is going to be our Tyreek.

One of Hightower and Watkins is going to be our McLaurin.

Imagine lining up 4 wide with Jackson, Reagor, Watkins and Hightower.  They all run deep and we slip Sanders out of the backfield.

If we can just get the defense to respect the deep ball, then the middle opens up for Ertz, Goedert and Sanders to exploit linebackers at will.

They have a looong way to go if they want to be anything like McLaurin IMO...

28 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Sure, that's fine.  That PFF stat, like most PFF stats, is silly though.  

Schwartz's philosophy of pressures over sacks, interior talent over edge talent, and contain from the edge has consistently produced good but not great defenses that slam the door shut against the run, are vulnerable against the pass, and certainly don't do much to make opposing QB's uncomfortable.  That's the comment that lost me.  We've had 4 years now demonstrating exactly this result in Philly.

The fluctuation and wild card, over the years, has been the CB play.  He's had quite good, still not elite, defense when the CB play is reliable.  If Slay ups the game for our secondary this year and cuts out some of our bad big plays, the defense will take a nice step forward.

This interior DL is going to be great against the run and will collapse the pocket with a good frequency.  They aren't blowing up a team's passing game plan.  Not happening.  

I don’t think the bolded is his philosophy as much as it’s just been the reality the last few years.  Our interior has been better than the edge.  I think the philosophy is to be able to be dominant in the front 4 and get pressure with limited blitzes....I’ve never heard him say his priority is interior over edge.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I’m not local to the Philly area but the vast majority of Philly-area sports media looks to be just dreadful.  Seems like they’re always looking to undermine or stir things up.

I realize it doesn’t create any interest just to agree and go along with everything, but most of them come across as lacking any objectivity 

It's gone from light hearted jabs/takes to some properly childish fits because the Eagles didn't do what they thought or demanded.  I've barely read any of their draft coverage as they have (temporarily?) lost any objectivity on the Hurts pick, looking for a gotcha moment or a way to undermine Wentz with random conspiracies.

If Hurts doesn't play a snap or start a game, it doesn't make the pick an awful one.  I wish they would think more rather than give a hot take on Twitter, or wherever.

Expect next year's draft to focus back on the "big uglies".

We'll have to deal with Kelce's retirement, Lane's suspension, Brooks' annual injury, and Dillard's indifference.

1 minute ago, UK Eagle said:

It's gone from light hearted jabs/takes to some properly childish fits because the Eagles didn't do what they thought or demanded.  I've barely read any of their draft coverage as they have (temporarily?) lost any objectivity on the Hurts pick, looking for a gotcha moment or a way to undermine Wentz with random conspiracies.

If Hurts doesn't play a snap or start a game, it doesn't make the pick an awful one.  I wish they would think more rather than give a hot take on Twitter, or wherever.

I enjoyed the Giants fans reactions to the Daniel Jones pick so much I asked my wife to video my reaction to the Eagles first round pick this season.  Of course there wasn’t much to see; I thought Reagor was a good pick so I just nodded and gave a thumbs up — nothing YouTube worthy.

She was not there to see my reaction to the Hurts pick — too bad, because it was a bewildered stare and "What?” I might have said a swear word right after, I don’t remember.  The point is, I go from disappointment/disgust pretty quickly to try to figure out the best use for the new player — I feel like the organization rewarded us with a Super Bowl so I should try to give benefit of the doubt.

Professional media who are paid to cover the team should be able to give better analysis than what these guys typically do.

3 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Expect next year's draft to focus back on the "big uglies".

We'll have to deal with Kelce's retirement, Lane's suspension, Brooks' annual injury, and Dillard's indifference.

I tend to agree. Lines and defense. But I could see another high WR pick if JJAW and the rookies don’t show well. In fact, I think it would almost be a requirement.

Right now we are at least heading into the season with Alshon, Jackson and JJAW as potential starters. If JJAW still looks lost, we’re going to need another starter unless Hightower or Quez look like stars. And even then, we’ll probably need another guy albeit not in such an urgent way.

Nice summation of why the justifications/excuses given for the debacle are ridiculous.

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2020/4/26/21236656/philadelphia-eagles-2020-draft-jalen-hurts-howie-roseman-excuses-quarterback-oklahoma-carson-wentz

 

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

Worth a roll of the dice for me. The upside could be massive. Clowney, BG, Cox and Jackson/Hargave would wear lines out. The 2nd unit wouldn't be bad either.

It’s only money and a one year deal. Why not?

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

We may have the best DTs as a group in the NHL if Jackson can bounce back:  Cox, Hargrave, Jackson, Rush, Ridgeway. I really like what I saw of Rush last year.

At DE, we have two solid but not flashy starters, and a lot of speed balls off the bench, and we just added another one.

Schwartz, I think, values pressure over sacks, he wants to move QBs off their spot and make them uncomfortable, and of course, with our putrid CBs, sacks are hard to find.

"Over the last three seasons, the only team to generate pressure on over 40% of its pass-rushing snaps has been the Eagles, and they’ve been able to do that while blitzing on just 22% of those snaps (fifth-lowest rate in the league)."

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-a-stacked-philadelphia-eagles-defensive-line-got-even-better-with-the-javon-hargrave-signing

While strong in front of the net i dont think they can skate. 

2 hours ago, RLC said:

Completely forgot that Khalil Tate existed.

Can tell you inside information From the Arizona coaches and friend who covers the football and basketball team for 24/7 i know.  he was a pain in the a$$ here. When rich rod got fired and the new coaching staff came in they got irritated with him super fast. It’s why he got benched at times for gunnell this past year. I can tell you they said he was "injured” he really wasn’t injured that bad where he couldn’t play they just were over his attitude. he would refuse to run due to his people Around him not wanting him to get hurt before the draft  It’s why you saw his rushing attempts go down and down since 2017. Additionally the OC Mazzone and him really got into it with one another cause tate refused to listen to him. He also regressed as a QB. He needs to be converted into a WR he’s not capable of reading defenses. He has a big arm though  but really his accuracy blows and can’t read defenses  

i would Go into more details but i have to find the texts i had from the coaches and my friend who runs 24/7 for the university of Arizona. 

15 minutes ago, McMVP said:

I don’t think the bolded is his philosophy as much as it’s just been the reality the last few years.  Our interior has been better than the edge.  I think the philosophy is to be able to be dominant in the front 4 and get pressure with limited blitzes....I’ve never heard him say his priority is interior over edge.

I was going to mention that myself, but I completely agree.  Schwartz certainly heavily values interior DL.  But I think our investment and talent there relative to the edge may also be a coincidental circumstance of availability.

29 minutes ago, FTheCowboys said:

 

I would argue the top 3 WRs next year could be even better than any of the top 3 this year. Chase imo is better than any one in this draft. Listening to Dane bruglar he thinks waddle and smith are going to be better prospects than ruggs, lamb and jeudy By the time the next draft happens. Add on Bateman from Minnesota and ross from Clemson are considered good prospects. 

52 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

There's obviously a lot here to unpack. I'll try to address all of your points.

First, I don't know (or care) about 3 percenters. I started this discussion because someone made a dismissive comment about States Rights. Now to your specific questions.

Does States Rights mean supporting 3/5? No. Sorry, there's not much of a need for a further explanation than that.

Medicare for All? I don't know how other people view it. I can only speak for myself. I think it's a horrible idea. 

Preserving the environment? Personally I love clean air and water. I also loathe draconian measures which ultimately consolidate power to those that already have it.

You're comment about equal voice and equal power...everyone, as individuals, has more power and voice over their lives when we adhere to the concept of States Rights. Example: have an issue with your child's education? Good luck taking that up with the Department of Education. However, your voice and your power would be felt much more if education was a local issue. 

How do I feel about socialism? Yeah, I'm not really a fan of giving people in power even more power, despite the false claims of the power "being in the people's hands."

What's the solution? Limited government

Anarchy? I don't know who's advocating for that

 

Whether you think medicare 4 all is good or bad is beside the point, the point is that around 70% of americans are in favor of medicare for all, if one claims to be in favor of a government run for the people by the people then one should be on board with the overwhelming support of the people not ones own views especially when the government is against implementing what the people want.

Seems to me people use states rights to advocate for something they feel the majority is for not the government all in the name of personal liberty, they want to do whatever they want without the government telling them they cant or without goverment enforced consequences.

Thats Anarchy ,they are promoting Anarchy under the guise of states right without realizing anarchy leads to communal or social communities which is the most ironic part as these right wing groups are always ragging on socialism.

Its comically idiotic as is most of the current governmental climate in the US.

The claim that one is a constitutionalist can be used and is as a ploy to arouse a sense of self patriotism whose cause is more sacred and noble than those one disagrees with. 

Being a patriot isnt about defending the constitution its about defending ones country and therein is the problem in that mank8nd thinks land, territories, resources are theres to do with as they please without consequence. 

If one wants to live without consequence just be honest and say so, dont hide behind the constitution.

 

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Whether you think medicare 4 all is beside the point, the point is that around 70% of americans are in favor of medicare for all, if one claims to be in favor of a government run for the people by the people then one should be on board with the overwhelming support of the people not ones own views especially when the government is against implementing what the people want.

Seems to me people use states rights to advocate for something they feel the majority is for not the government all in the name of personal liberty, they want to do whatever they want without the government telling them they cant or without goverment enforced consequences.

Thats Anarchy ,they are promoting Anarchy under the guise of states right without realizing anarchy leads to communal or social communities which is the most ironic part as these right wing groups are always ragging on socialism.

Its comically idiotic as is most of the current governmental climate in the US.

The claim that one is a constitutionalist can be used an is as a ploy to arouse a sense of self patriotism whose cause is more sacred and noble than those one disagrees with. 

Being a patriot isnt about defending the constitution its about defending ones country and therein is the problem in that mank8nd thinks land, territories, resources are theres to do with as they please without consequence. 

If one wants to live without consequence just be honest and say so, dont hide behind the constitution.

 

Ok, this is so outlandish and extremely misinformed. As I said previously, civics is dead. Have a good day. Go birds. 

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

That is a gross oversimplification. As far as "states' rights," this has traditionally been the dog whistle for segregation and opposition to the Civil Rights movement.

The Founding Fathers, for one thing, had diverse opinions on political philosophy, Hamilton certainly didn't agree with Jefferson and Madison, yet Hamilton and Madison co-wrote the Federalist along with John Jay.

They certainty didn't think that government was "evil." They may have considered it a "necessary evil," which is not the same thing.

And much of the Constitution is a compromise between sovereign states who discovered they couldn't work together under the Articles of Confederation, and needed a strong central government to prevent the states from beggaring their neighbors and to provide for the common defense and welfare. It was also a compromise between states dependent on slavery (which was universal at the time the 3/5 compromise was incorporated, it would be another 50 years before slavery began to be abolished on a widespread basis), states who were primarily agricultural and the major coastal trading centers of Boston, NYC and Philadelphia, and between those afraid of government and those afraid of the passions of the mob.

If you want to understand the origins and compromises, here's a small sample of the copious literature:

Bouton - Taming Democracy: "The People," the Founders, and the Troubled Ending of the American Revolution - Oxford 2007

Ferling -  A Leap In the Dark: The Struggle to Create the American Republic - Oxford 2008

Wood - The Creating of the American Republic, 1776-1787 - Norton 1992

Onuf - The Origins of the Federal Republic: Jurisdictional Controversies in the United States, 1775-1787 - U Pennsylvania 1983

Rakove, Original Meanings: Politics and Ideas in the Making of the Constitution, Vintage 2010

Edling - A Revolution in Favor of Government: Origins of the US Constitution, Oxford 2013

Slonim - Forging the American Nation, 1787-1791: James Madison and the Federalist Revolution - Palgrave 2017

Johnson - Righteous Anger at the Wicked States; The Meaning of the Founders' Constitution - Cambridge 2005

Holton - Unruly Americans and the Origins of the Constitution - Hill and Wang 2007

Maier - Ratification: The People Debate the Constitution, 1787-1788 - Simon and Schuster 2011

Levy - Origin of the Bill of Rights - Yale 1999

He is mistaken on his thought that it is local governments first and then states. Quite the contrary. Local power is universally derived from what the states have granted municipalities.  Having spent over twenty years in roles in local government here in the Commonwealth, I can assure you of that.

When is your book joining that list?

30 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I've heard that a lot about Clowney.   And yet, it's really not true.   He is the poster boy for overrated.  He was a #1 overall pick because he's LOOKS the part, and every now and then, you see it.  Trouble is, he does it when he wants.  He's not the answer to our problems.  If he were the guy you are describing, Seattle wouldn't be slow to resign him.  He's just not the guy you are describing.  I'd love to have the guy you are describing.  Trouble is, that guy ended up being drafted #2 by the Washingteam.

He is the guy you are describing and you are right. He plays when he wants to.

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3. Edge JADEVEON CLOWNEY

Clowney put up an 88.0 overall grade in 2018 — the highest mark of his career — and he followed up with an 87.3 grade after a trade to the Seahawks despite seeing his sack total drop from nine to three. Clowney has the 11th-best overall grade among all edge defenders since 2017, including the third-best mark against the run (91.3), but his pass-rush grade of 83.9 ranks just 25th among that same group. Pass-rushers earn massive contracts for their ability to get after the quarterback, but Clowney has always been good, not great, in that department. The price tag may be too high for many teams, but Clowney brings top run defense and solid pass-rush to the table, though his game has never really lived up to his draft hype and he’s never matched the production of other dominant edge defenders.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-the-50-best-available-nfl-free-agents-in-2020

This agrees with your point even more. Notice I said the defense could be unreal. I'd rather have the guy in Jax, but hate the thought of giving up a 1st and a 2nd+ or whatever they are going to want for him. We saw what happened last year with injuries and they don't have any more depth at end now than they did then. They need to get another. Griffen is out there and maybe Howie finds another Long, which would be amazing.

Clowney can produce at the same level as a cheap vet in June or he could decide to turn it on and be really good. That's why I don't want a long term deal, but I'd roll the dice on a year. If nothing else he'd give them depth and help keep the other ends fresh. Maybe Cox and the other DT push him to play better or maybe it is about money and he wants to prove something. We all know the center of the pocket should be an issue for anyone they face. My theory is even if he doesn't play to his full potential having someone like Clowney could be enough to take them to another level. Even if they aren't dominate a fresh Clowney, Barnett, Sweat, or BG would wear OT down and be a challenge.

I could be wrong. They just need to add another guy and to me that would be worth the risk for a year.

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

He is mistaken on his thought that it is local governments first and then states. Quite the contrary. Local power is universally derived from what the states have granted municipalities.  Having spent over twenty years in roles in local government here in the Commonwealth, I can assure you of that.

When is your book joining that list?

Yes, local power is derived from the states. That's how the practice was derived from the theory. However, the theory of limited power in government goes from individuals - local government - states - federal. 

17 minutes ago, John_C said:

Nice summation of why the justifications/excuses given for the debacle are ridiculous.

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2020/4/26/21236656/philadelphia-eagles-2020-draft-jalen-hurts-howie-roseman-excuses-quarterback-oklahoma-carson-wentz

 

It's not a debacle though...  Its just not where we all assumed the Eagles would go with that pick.  BLGs whole perspective, without reading the article, is in the wrong place from beginning to end.  The Eagles like Hurts, they want a multi year backup they can possibly flip for more picks.

What you,  I or the media think or hot take on, is irrelevant, no matter how many Twitter handle changes they make or silly GIFs they create.  DPs reaction says all you need to know about the pick.

If Hurts has to come in and win games, I bet those same idiots in the media who are mocking the pick now will be purring with delight.

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

Sigh. It is State Rights. IOW, the rights of the individual state. BTW, the Rakove book on Original Meanings is a masterpiece, imho.

Thanks to you both for drawing to my attention.   Lost in a lot of the Founding Fathers rhetoric is that many were amongst the richest in their colonies and most owned slaves. We have evolved past the days when only white, male landowners could vote.

8 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

Ok, this is so outlandish and extremely misinformed. As I said previously, civics is dead. Have a good day. Go birds. 

thanks for engaging in the discussion seems ive hit a nerve, id ask what you think is misinformed but i dont think it would be productive so have a good day as well.

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Completely forgot that Khalil Tate existed.

Trained for the draft with McNabb.  Warn the worms.