5 hours ago, eagle45 said:

My crack at 53...what I want, not what I think we'll get:

QB (3): Wentz/Sudfeld/Hurts.  Yup, with the short offseason, Sudfeld will be the first under center if Wentz is injured. 

RB (4): Sanders/Scott/Killins/???Addition???

WR (6): Jackson/Reagor/Goodwin/Watkins/Hightower/JJAW.  Sorry, Ward has a lot of heart, helped us a bunch last year...but he's been cut 6 times and never got a phone call from anyone besides the Philadelphia Eagles or San Antonio Commanders for a reason.  I want to keep all the fast guys.  Moorehead has his work cut out for him getting Watkins and Hightower roster-able in a short offseason.  But get it done.

TE (3): Ertz/Goedert/Perkins

OT (4): Dillard/Johnson/Mailata/Driscoll.  Prince is a rookie IR job if there ever was one.

OG (4): Brooks/Seumalo/Pryor/Herbig

OC (1): Kelce

DE (5): Graham/Barnett/Sweat/Avery/Toohill.  Toohill feels like a PS candidate, but Ostman was all hype and is now coming off an ACL.  They nearly cut Miller last year.  Younger potential in Toohill edges Miller, who might be slightly m imhoore refined at this point.  Miller probably makes it to the PS and makes it back to the roster after a DL gets banged up.

DT (5): Cox/Hargrave/Jackson/Ridgeway/Hector.  I wanted to keep 4, but rest for an aging Cox and the widespread injuries at this position push them to keep 5.  They seem to have an affinity to Hector.

LB (5): Gerry/Brown/Edwards/Taylor/Bradley

CB (6): Slay/Jones/Maddox/LeBlanc/NRC/camp battle winner from the large field.   Douglas will be released if not traded.

S (4): McLeod/Mills/Wallace/Parks

ST (3) Elliott, Johnston, Lovato

I like this list. Well thought out imho. I think Miller makes the team this year. He projects as the only backup right now to Graham as the more stout LDE capable of sliding inside in Schwartz's turbo front. Last year having Curry ahead pushed him to inactive; this year unless someone else comes in I think he's set to be on the roster. I think one of Toohill/Avery/Ostman make the roster unless they go 6-deep. In which case I think it would be Avery and Ostman, and would show a bigger commitment from Schwartz for a stand up rusher that can be moved across the formation. I like Hall a lot, but think he starts the year on PUP due to how late in the season his ACL injury happened. 

Other minor differences - Driscoll will likely be a IOL. I'm not sure if they use Pryor more at RT. Having Mailata as the only backup OT is so far from ideal I don't think this coaching staff will go with that. My guess is if Tega is ok he makes the team, but a veteran signing makes sense here.

 

RB - I don't think Killins makes the team. Think Holyfield and Warren battle it out for the 3rd RB spot. 

 

I think this is the year to go light at CB (5) because of the presence of Mills. That would allow for a 10th OL or a 4th RB.

12 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You dont know the great Nate Davis?   He's like the Mel Kiper of USA Today. 

 

 

It was sarcasm.  None of these dudes' opinions matter.  We can focus on the negative ones if the draft infuriated us, as it did some, or focus on the positive ones if we liked it.  3 years from now, we'll know.  Everything else is cherry picking for the most part seeking out someone with the same opinion as us.

 

On that note,  it is interesting to me that when Daniel Jeremiah was asked who improved their team the most this draft, the only team he mentioned was the Eagles, specifically saying "they added a lot of juice to the team".  He didnt talk about Dallas adding CeeDee Lamb, etc. Nor Washington with Young.  But the Eagles with all the speed, something this team desperately needed on both sides of the ball.  Most of these guys won't work out, and that's the same league wide,  ut it was good to see them target that specific trait.  This team was old and slow last year, they chose not to bring in young and slow players to replace them.  It was a good choice.  Everything beyond that is really just guessing.

Speed is the most obvious one. High character another. 

I really like how much we improved our ST. I think that is valuable.

Looking back, the team signed Marty Mornhingweg March 5. Makes sense that by that point they were either set on the idea of adding Hurts or at worst heavily considering it. Whether you're ok with the pick, dislike it, or absolutely hate it, there was a clear plan in place. And as some mentioned a few dozen pages back, it is very difficult to find a change of pace QB, who has traits that can realistically be developed into a starter, who understands having to wait a year or three for their chance while being a good teammate.

 

I still don't love the pick fwiw

3 minutes ago, obedt said:

Looking back, the team signed Marty Mornhingweg March 5. Makes sense that by that point they were either set on the idea of adding Hurts or at worst heavily considering it. Whether you're ok with the pick, dislike it, or absolutely hate it, there was a clear plan in place. And as some mentioned a few dozen pages back, it is very difficult to find a change of pace QB, who has traits that can realistically be developed into a starter, who understands having to wait a year or three for their chance while being a good teammate.

 

I still don't love the pick fwiw

I don't like the pick but that is well known on here now so I won't drum on about it. But what I will say is that I have to believe there is either a wider view here or there is something that we don't yet know. Using a premium pick on a back up QB doesn't make any sense on face value and so there must be more to it. Whether the Eagles are banking on there being no college season, whether there is something we don't know with Wentz, whether they have some grand plan we have to believe that there is one? I am no Howie fan but I also can't believe that he doesn't have some kind of greater plan here.

Possibly the best way to keep a certain d.e. from ever cheap shotting our q.b. is to sign him?

I can’t see this high investment into your backup QB becoming a trend. It might work with Hurts, but I can’t see most of these guys having the wiring to be ok as a career backup. So even if they embrace the role through their first contract, how many will be willing to stick around for a 2nd?  There simply aren’t enough quality QBs out there for some other team not to throw much bigger $ at him as a FA in 4 years if he shows anything at all. 
 

the economics work for contract 1 but not contract 2. Do you really want to develop a new guy every 4 years AND spend that draft capital?

 

i hope it works here. I just don’t see it catching fire league wide. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

The said they wanted to be known as a QB factory. And if that and input from Marty Mornhinweg is their plan.  Then it’s an awful decision.   There’s no clear rationalization that makes sense.  

I put no stock in what they said. There' a lot of reasons behind the pick (imho) that they can't just state without stirring up additional controversy. Publicly questioning your franchise QB's durability less than a year after giving him a monster contract is a bad look, but it was absolutely one of the drivers here

Just now, purplefiggy said:

I can’t see this high investment into your backup QB becoming a trend. It might work with Hurts, but I can’t see most of these guys having the wiring to be ok as a career backup. So even if they embrace the role through their first contract, how many will be willing to stick around for a 2nd?  There simply aren’t enough quality QBs out there for some other team not to throw much bigger $ at him as a FA in 4 years if he shows anything at all. 
 

the economics work for contract 1 but not contract 2. Do you really want to develop a new guy every 4 years AND spend that draft capital?

 

i hope it works here. I just don’t see it catching fire league wide. 

I agree. I think there are a unique set of circumstances with Wentz, his contract, his injuries, and the fear he may follow Luck's career arc. Again, my belief here. Not many teams are in that same situation.

1 minute ago, obedt said:

I agree. I think there are a unique set of circumstances with Wentz, his contract, his injuries, and the fear he may follow Luck's career arc. Again, my belief here. Not many teams are in that same situation.

Yup. I think this is long term Wentz insurance as much as it is short term. 

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don't actually think there's a lot of difference in terms of athleticism between Wentz and Sudfeld. I think Sudfeld has shown he's got the ability to extend plays with his feet. 

Hurts is an entirely different prospect in terms of that athleticism. 

There is more to athleticism than being able to extend plays with your feet.  Wentz is a far better athlete than Sudfeld

6 hours ago, JayEcho said:

you have to ask yourself this...

if wentz were to go down...  how much would a 2nd round WR really help us?

if wentz were to go down...  how much would a 2nd round DE really help us?

if wentz were to go down...  how much would a 2nd round LB really help us?

if wentz were to go down...  how much would a 2nd round S really help us?

if wentz were to go down...  how much would a 2nd round RB really help us?

do you really want to put the ball in the hands of another "josh mccown" or hope it's not a "clayton thorson" you draft later on, which you end up having to cut?  do you want to rely on sudfeld, who may not be  quick enough to pick up 5 yards with his legs on a 3rd and 4th, because a defense clamped down on all the receivers -- knowing the qb isn't mobile?

i know that if reagor is sprinting 30-40 yards down the field, hurts has the arm to hit him in stride.  i know that if it's a 3rd and 4th, hurts has the legs to get that 5 yards and even fight through the contact.  hurts will give us the skillset we'd otherwise lose if wentz were to go down.

now, i am not saying hurts is equal to wentz.  wentz is far and above the better qb.  wentz would make the better reads, he'd have the more accurate passes.  but hurts would be able to give us the same dynamic play-ability which would otherwise be lost.  a defense would not be able to key in on a particular lack of physical ability which an aging veteran or later round draft pick may have.

If Wentz goes down we’re screwed either way. 

lol

25 minutes ago, Infam said:

Speed is the most obvious one. High character another. 

I really like how much we improved our ST. I think that is valuable.

Character isn't really a new thing with this club.  Generally speaking, they have almost always brought in high character individuals, there will be a few examples where they missed it.  But by and large it's there and that extends back for as long as Lurie has owned the team.

4 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

If Wentz goes down we’re screwed either way. 

Don't have to be. Super Bowl LII, baby!

1 hour ago, Allhaildawk said:

Blah blah blah and nonsense how about a name?  Which vet?  Care to actually risk an opinion for once?  I doubt it. 

I’m never afraid to risk an opinion, sunshine. 
 

I stated in multiple posts that Carlos Hyde, Devonta Freeman, Isaiah Crowell, Bilal Powell, and Lamar Miller could be possibilities. 

13 minutes ago, McMVP said:

There is more to athleticism than being able to extend plays with your feet.  Wentz is a far better athlete than Sudfeld

I don't doubt that but Wentz is a starting QB, Sudfeld isn't and probably won't ever be.

@justrelax

Driscoll at center.   Is it a viable option?  

3 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Don't have to be. Super Bowl LII, baby!

Yeah what Foles did was amazing. But he was a vet with a proven track record being able to play at a high level. Also the 2017 team, particularly on offense, was loaded with talent. An offense that didn’t look great in the first playoff game. 

I think McCown beats the Vikings. 

22 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Not sure I agree.  I think Scott is more what we expected from Pumphreys.  Pumphreys was a heck of a runner in college.  He destroyed my Cougars when they played  I think Pumphreys was supposed to be Sproles 2.0   I think Scott is.  

People (not directed at you) that think Killens is challenging Scott for his role need to take another look at Scott.  Only thing they have in common is height and both have speed.  Scott is a jacked 203 with a great center of gravity.  I think Killens is likely another of those really fast munchkin RBs that on a single touch falls down.  Doug may be hoping for that Oregon kid D’Anthony Thomas, Black Mamba.  He and AR had him in KC.  Has bounced around the NFL.  I think the Ravens had him last year.  Thomas is a bit taller and probably ten pounds heavier. 

I always thought Scott had firmly implanted himself as the 2nd or 3rd back. Killins needs to put on some muscle and learn pass pro if he plans on any significant offensive playing time but man does he look great in space. Supposedly good hands too

7 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Next year the priority will be DE. 

What if Jamar Chase is sitting there?  He would be hard to pass up.  The Eagles have invested pretty heavy in edge rushers as of late. We just need them to take that next step.  I'd argue defensive tackle will be a bigger need than end.

Barnett 1st

Sweat, Miller and Avery are 4th round investments.  Anyone that wants to argue a 4th isn't an investment make sure we look at how everyone is praising Howie on day 3 this year.

Toohill in the 7th

Ostman and Hall are the only ones they didn't draft.

If Sweat, Avery, Ostman and Barnett take that next step this year it would be HUGE in the Eagles plans.  Miller and Toohill are your development guys.  

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

What if Jamar Chase is sitting there?  He would be hard to pass up.  The Eagles have invested pretty heavy in edge rushers as of late. We just need them to take that next step.  I'd argue defensive tackle will be a bigger need than end.

If Jamar Chase is sitting there then you run to the freaking podium and get the pick in as fast as humanly possible. But unless we have a stinker of a season he isn't going to be in range. I think he proabably goes top 5.

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

@justrelax

Driscoll at center.   Is it a viable option?  

Physically he should be able to manage. Mentally, there's no way...yet.

6 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

is hall going to be ready to go? He tore his acl last week of the season i believe. 

Yep on the last play of the game nonetheless.  It happened when Sidney Jones was trying to get fancy on a return.  The game was over, take a knee.  Hall was trying to help on the return and got caught up and his ACL was a result of it.  Really sucks for him when you think about the circumstances in which it happened.

3 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Physically he should be able to manage. Mentally, there's no way...yet.

Oh, I wasn't expecting it for this year.   I was thinking he would need a 1 year internship under the tutelage of Stout and Kelce.  (I see Kelce as being willing to train his replacement... I think he's done after this year, or maybe 2021 at the latest).

5 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

If Jamar Chase is sitting there then you run to the freaking podium and get the pick in as fast as humanly possible. But unless we have a stinker of a season he isn't going to be in range. I think he proabably goes top 5.

Never say never.  I never saw CeeDee lasting until pick 17.  Chase is the superior prospect however.