3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Never say never.  I never saw CeeDee lasting until pick 17.  Chase is the superior prospect however.

Yeah I mean these things can, and do, happen.

23 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah.  How people don't get this is beyond me.  They think what Foles did in 2017 is the norm and should be expected.  Almost all NFL teams are F-ed if their starting QB goes down.  

If he were to go down the first game of the season, probably. If said back up only has to play a handful of games, I disagree. Of course, that depends on the backup as well 

17 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah.  How people don't get this is beyond me.  They think what Foles did in 2017 is the norm and should be expected.  Almost all NFL teams are F-ed if their starting QB goes down.  

What you only seem to get is that having a quality second QB is a waste of a roster spot until the starter goes down. At that point, however, he becomes invaluable. It's not the norm but it happens. Nine times in the Super Bowl, for example, Foles being only the most recent.

And we needed our second quarterback the last three seasons straight, so maybe that's more the norm.

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Never say never.  I never saw CeeDee lasting until pick 17.  Chase is the superior prospect however.

Anything is possible, but if Chase came out in this draft, he'd have been the unquestioned top prospect at WR.  And there's no way that Henry Ruggs goes first off the board.

 

I loved how people kept saying during (and after) the draft that CeeDee Lamb was the top WR prospect... yet, 2 teams clearly disagreed with that and there's no way to argue it differently.  Ruggs went to the Raiders, they clearly preferred Ruggs to Lamb.  Denver went with Jeudy, clearly he was the preferred prospect by them.  And according to reports, SF had Aiyuk rated higher than Lamb as well, and might have grabbed him had Kinlaw not been sitting there (or they might have traded back further and still grabbed him). So, there's a definite answer of 2 teams, possibly 3 that had Lamb as no higher than number 2 on the list.  

Personally, I also had Jefferson as the #4 prospect and he was sitting there for the Eagles at #21.  And yet, the Eagles preferred Reagor.  Now, I could go on and on and **** and moan about it, or I could recognize what they were looking for at 21 wasn't what Jefferson brings to the table, but a guy who could provide a stretching of the field.  Reagor does that far more than Jefferson.  I still think Jefferson will be a great pro, but I'm not going to act like there's no logical reasoning behind the choice.  Nor am I going to act like my evaluations were the only way to look at things.

14 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Aaron Mooorehead & Ken Flajole.

I’m not sure there are two more important under the radar names.

What were the two worst positions on this team at the beginning of this offseason?  WR & LB

What two positions on this team now have the best, most explosive athletes?  WR & LB

We need these two coaches to do some great, great work.

This may seem like a hot-take, but we've actually been good at getting LBs to play better. This is important as both LBs we drafted are projects. The issue is that we've often started with either raw projects (Kamu) or just unathletic guys (Edwards). We've never given him a Patrick Queen-level prospect to turn into a Pro Bowler. 

Flajole has been with us since 2016.
- Bradham has his best seasons with us. He was better here than in Buffalo.
- Hicks has a good rookie year, but took a leap in 2016. You don't have to give him credit, but Hicks did improve.
- When Hicks got hurt in 2017, he got Bradham to switch positions well (SLB to MLB)
- Gerry went from a college safety to a functional LB. Is he great? No, but in 2 years he learned an entirely new position and can play.
- Kamu went from ST player to solid starter. 
- Edwards is a UDFA who is now our starting MLB. 

I'm not saying Flajole is some LB Guru, but with the exception of vets acquired from those outside the system (Z. Brown, LJ Fort), our LBs have improved. If a guy like Davion Taylor improves like Nate Gerry, we'll have a very good starting WLB...by the end of 2021 (Nate Gerry/Kamu timelines). 

7 hours ago, eagle45 said:

My crack at 53...what I want, not what I think we'll get:

QB (3): Wentz/Sudfeld/Hurts.  Yup, with the short offseason, Sudfeld will be the first under center if Wentz is injured. 

RB (4): Sanders/Scott/Killins/???Addition???

WR (6): Jackson/Reagor/Goodwin/Watkins/Hightower/JJAW.  Sorry, Ward has a lot of heart, helped us a bunch last year...but he's been cut 6 times and never got a phone call from anyone besides the Philadelphia Eagles or San Antonio Commanders for a reason.  I want to keep all the fast guys.  Moorehead has his work cut out for him getting Watkins and Hightower roster-able in a short offseason.  But get it done.

TE (3): Ertz/Goedert/Perkins

OT (4): Dillard/Johnson/Mailata/Driscoll.  Prince is a rookie IR job if there ever was one.

OG (4): Brooks/Seumalo/Pryor/Herbig

OC (1): Kelce

DE (5): Graham/Barnett/Sweat/Avery/Toohill.  Toohill feels like a PS candidate, but Ostman was all hype and is now coming off an ACL.  They nearly cut Miller last year.  Younger potential in Toohill edges Miller, who might be slightly more refined at this point.  Miller probably makes it to the PS and makes it back to the roster after a DL gets banged up.

DT (5): Cox/Hargrave/Jackson/Ridgeway/Hector.  I wanted to keep 4, but rest for an aging Cox and the widespread injuries at this position push them to keep 5.  They seem to have an affinity to Hector.

LB (5): Gerry/Brown/Edwards/Taylor/Bradley

CB (6): Slay/Jones/Maddox/LeBlanc/NRC/camp battle winner from the large field.   Douglas will be released if not traded.

S (4): McLeod/Mills/Wallace/Parks

ST (3) Elliott, Johnston, Lovato

We are going to disagree on Ward until the season starts.  So the guy was cut a bunch but all it takes is that one chance.  Just look at Kurt Warner (not saying he is a HOF) just an example of a player finally getting a chance and shining.  He offers a different dynamic than the rest of the speed guys.  He is your new Jason Avant.  I think Hightower and Watkins are interchangeable and one fo them makes the PS.

Toohill is PS.  Ostman was more than hype, they had a role built for him.  The good news for him is he tore his ACL so early that he should be ready to roll and he is one of those relentless workers.  He comes back better than last year if you ask me.  I keep 6 DE.   Keep Miller to develop.

I'm not wasting 5 spots on DT.  Look how easily the Eagles moved Hector on and off the team last year.  You keep 2 DT on the PS and you adjust your roster as needed.

7 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Didn’t they increase the roster by two or was it just the game day roster.

From an article on the new CBA...

- Practice Squad increased to 12 for 2020 and 2021.  14 starting in 2022.

- 48 now active on gameday versus 46 (although one of those extra players needs to be an Offensive Lineman)

- Roster size still 53 officially, but 55 with the ability to designate 2 players from the Practice Squad (although I am not entirely clear on how the rules work on that, as I am not sure what "sent back to the PS" means and how that works.)

 

 

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How about expanded rosters?

Yes. More jobs. That's another way the players benefit. The game-day active roster will increase from 46 to 48 players (although one of the extra players must be an offensive lineman, which will give teams more flexibility to have three extra linemen). Practice squads will expand from 10 players to 12 in 2020 and 2021 and to 14 starting in 2022. Practice-squad salaries also are going up -- the minimum salary is $8,000 per week in the current CBA, and it will rise to $11,500 by 2022 -- and those players will be eligible for 401(k) and tuition assistance benefits.

Two practice-squad players per week may be elevated to the team's roster, meaning game-week roster sizes could effectively increase from 53 to 55. And a player elevated from the practice squad to the 55-man roster could be sent back to the practice squad two times without having to clear waivers.

The changes will give teams more flexibility in managing their rosters and, if utilized fully, will offer more opportunity for practice-squad players to earn active-roster salaries.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Rhinoddd50 said:

From an article on the new CBA...

- Practice Squad increased to 12 for 2020 and 2021.  14 starting in 2022.

- 48 now active on gameday versus 46 (although one of those extra players needs to be an Offensive Lineman)

- Roster size still 53 officially, but 55 with the ability to designate 2 players from the Practice Squad (although I am not entirely clear on how the rules work on that, as I am not sure what "sent back to the PS" means)

Good find.

 

I believe that the 'sent back to the PS' means that they can move players from the roster directly to the PS, without having to put them through waivers first... after the season starts, and with a limited number of options to do that.  

 

Listened to WIP for the Jalen Hurts interview. I feel so bad for Hurts. All they’re talking about is how he was a wasted pick. 

36 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Yeah what Foles did was amazing. But he was a vet with a proven track record being able to play at a high level. Also the 2017 team, particularly on offense, was loaded with talent. An offense that didn’t look great in the first playoff game. 

I think McCown beats the Vikings. 

I never thought for one second McCown was capable of getting the Eagles into the end zone against SEA; he's a 40 year old journeyman and getting the offense down to the 20 was about all he could do.  Sudfeld hasn't ever shown a darn thing

The Eagles went into the draft without a #2 QB.  That's evidently how Pederson and Roseman see it as well.

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

We are going to disagree on Ward until the season starts.  So the guy was cut a bunch but all it takes is that one chance.  Just look at Kurt Warner (not saying he is a HOF) just an example of a player finally getting a chance and shining.  He offers a different dynamic than the rest of the speed guys.  He is your new Jason Avant.  I think Hightower and Watkins are interchangeable and one fo them makes the PS.

Toohill is PS.  Ostman was more than hype, they had a role built for him.  The good news for him is he tore his ACL so early that he should be ready to roll and he is one of those relentless workers.  He comes back better than last year if you ask me.  I keep 6 DE.   Keep Miller to develop.

I'm not wasting 5 spots on DT.  Look how easily the Eagles moved Hector on and off the team last year.  You keep 2 DT on the PS and you adjust your roster as needed.

agree here - Ward stays, Quez most likely to the PS unless there is an injury. or hell cut JJAW (but i dont think they will)

I think Rush is ahead of Hector if a fifth DT makes the roster, but you may be right they go light with four. 

Toohill seems PS as well - have him eat with Prince. Miller staying is obvious to me. DE looks like BG/Barnett/Sweat/Avery/Miller and perhaps Hall as a sixth

3 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Listened to WIP for the Jalen Hurts interview. I feel so bad for Hurts. All they’re talking about is how he was a wasted pick. 

Surprising.  WIP is usually so level-headed.

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

agree here - Ward stays, Quez most likely to the PS unless there is an injury. or hell cut JJAW (but i dont think they will)

I think Rush is ahead of Hector if a fifth DT makes the roster, but you may be right they go light with four. 

Toohill seems PS as well - have him eat with Prince. Miller staying is obvious to me. DE looks like BG/Barnett/Sweat/Avery/Miller and perhaps Hall as a sixth

Hall might be a PUP candidate.  Depends on how his knee injury is coming along.  Would be good roster management as well, as he could come off the PUP right around that time that some DE is likely to be lost for the year... just the way it goes.  And with a shortened ramp up to the season, I fear a spike in soft tissue injuries... especially with this team.

53 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Don't have to be. Super Bowl LII, baby!

You mean when we had an experienced veteran backup? 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

And Jalen Hurts.  A rookie QB with serious accuracy issues is that solution?  Spare me.  Please.  

What are these numbers? 72.9? 69.7?

 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

And Jalen Hurts.  A rookie QB with serious accuracy issues is that solution?  Spare me.  Please.  

He was a 70% passer last year with a 4:1 TD/INT ratio

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

And Jalen Hurts.  A rookie QB with serious accuracy issues is that solution?  Spare me.  Please.  

He's a possible solution.  He has other elements to his game that can help to make up for his deficiencies in pin-point accuracy.   But, in terms of comp pct, he was very high.  In RZ efficiency... very high.  So, he's not a bad prospect.  He's not a pure pocket passer.  But, we've seen that pure pocket passers are not the only way to move the ball and win in the NFL.  

 

Nothing is guaranteed.  But, I do prefer taking a chance on Hurts over adding a moron like Winston.

man the more i look at LB, the more it looks like a ClusterF

seems like we have nothing but WLB

i mean hell ESPN is listing the UDFA Singleton as the starting Sam backer. that kid might have a real shot at the roster, but i pegged him more as a two-down Mike

1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

You mean when we had an experienced veteran backup? 

Handsome is as handsome does. McCown was very much a veteran QB.

33 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

What if Jamar Chase is sitting there?  He would be hard to pass up.  The Eagles have invested pretty heavy in edge rushers as of late. We just need them to take that next step.  I'd argue defensive tackle will be a bigger need than end.

Barnett 1st

Sweat, Miller and Avery are 4th round investments.  Anyone that wants to argue a 4th isn't an investment make sure we look at how everyone is praising Howie on day 3 this year.

Toohill in the 7th

Ostman and Hall are the only ones they didn't draft.

If Sweat, Avery, Ostman and Barnett take that next step this year it would be HUGE in the Eagles plans.  Miller and Toohill are your development guys.  

You stating the D-ends currently on our roster proves it’ll be a priority next offseason. 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

He's a possible solution.  He has other elements to his game that can help to make up for his deficiencies in pin-point accuracy.   But, in terms of comp pct, he was very high.  In RZ efficiency... very high.  So, he's not a bad prospect.  He's not a pure pocket passer.  But, we've seen that pure pocket passers are not the only way to move the ball and win in the NFL.  

We drafted WRs that fit both his and Carson's strengths (intermediate to deep passing). 

Some were critical about using Hurts in a pure WCO. I agree, that's dumb. We're also not going to run that if Hurts has to play for an extended time.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

He was a 70% passer last year with a 4:1 TD/INT ratio

Don't cloud his mind with facts.

2 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

You mean when we had an experienced veteran backup? 

Ok.  Which veteran backup QB could they add, cost controlled and feel good about?   Heck, for that matter people were in the pit of despair in 2017 with Foles.  

Just now, Desertbirds said:

You mean when we had an experienced veteran backup? 

Who would you have brought in and at what cost?  Flacco is cooked, Newton is cooked and a head case, Dalton is expensive in money and draft capital to trade for, Winston is a head case and a turnover machine