5 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

This is where I'm at as well.  But it's not up to us.

Who knows where Schwartz is with all this, though.

I mean before the draft I was against just giving Maddox and Jones the only two competing to win the outside spot. I really thought they were going to draft a corner in round two through four that could compete with those two for the outside starting spot opposite slay. Personal opinion maddox isn’t an outside corner and jones can’t stay healthy enough to trust him all season 

25 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Really interesting thought.  Can a rising junior apply for the supp draft, or only rising senior?

 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Really interesting thought.  Can a rising junior apply for the supp draft, or only rising senior?

Draft-eligible in 2020 can apply. So seniors could do it. Ex: Travis Etienne, Shaun Wade, Leatherwood, Devonta Smith, Hubbard, etc.

17 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

If I wanted to save my breath, I wouldn't be here. 

Even here there are degrees of crazy

The defenders for the atrocious #53 pick say that a backup QB is important and points towards our Super Bowl run with Foles. What these defenders fail to realize that Hurts is a project QB will likely be a our #3QB for the next season. How does a #3 QB help us instead of drafting an impact, startable CB/WR/LB/S?

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I mean before the draft I was against just giving Maddox and Jones the only two competing to win the outside spot. I really thought they were going to draft a corner in round two through four that could compete with those two for the outside starting spot opposite slay. Personal opinion maddox isn’t an outside corner and jones can’t stay healthy enough to trust him all season 

I didn't really watch any of the 3rd or later rd CBs, but very few I read notes on seemed like anyone capable of competing to start this year. Seemed like a weak class, at least not very deep

6 minutes ago, obedt said:

I didn't really watch any of the 3rd or later CBs, but very few I read notes on seemed like anyone capable of competing to start this year. 

I don’t think any of them days three would’ve been able to start. However day 2 there was and I do think in round 4 onward you had some guys probably not likely to win the starting job but could compete and push maddox and Jones and possibly down the road if you develop them right have a shot at starting

20 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

My favorite, physical pending, is Isaiah Crowell because of his age and north/south running ability. I believe he popped his Achilles week 1 last year. After that I think I’m leaning Hyde. 

And you think those guys are clear upgrades?  Also pretty funny that you pick a UDFA to make the point that we should rely on UDFA. Well done. 

2 hours ago, justrelax said:

My reaction at the time was, "What the F,” followed almost immediately by, "Oh, OK.”

Took me about 24 hours... 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think any of them days three would’ve been able to start. However day 2 there was and I do think in round 4 you had some guys probably not likely to win the starting job but could compete and push maddox and Jones and possibly down the road if you develop them right have a shot at starting

That's very fair. Counter-argument is that (at least in rd 4) would be drafting for need when I don't think they were particularly close to being BPA. I think Wallace and Driscoll were both reasonable value at positions of need. 

5 minutes ago, xBMTx said:

The defenders for the atrocious #53 pick say that a backup QB is important and points towards our Super Bowl run with Foles. What these defenders fail to realize that Hurts is a project QB will likely be a our #3QB for the next season. How does a #3 QB help us instead of drafting an impact, startable CB/WR/LB/S?

The problem with your reasoning is that the Eagles don't necessarily plug immediate holes through the draft. That's not the way they have ever operated. Sure, Reagor is expected to play year one, but they have a long term view with him as well. Their picks are never just about year 1. 

3 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I’m never afraid to risk an opinion, sunshine. 
 

I stated in multiple posts that Carlos Hyde, Devonta Freeman, Isaiah Crowell, Bilal Powell, and Lamar Miller could be possibilities. 

Powell?  Can’t see that at all.  Age for one thing.   Size, he is about the same weight as Scott but four inches taller.  Big meh.  Crowell is an injury risk. Tore his ACL.  Do we really know how he recovered at this point?  Don’t see it.  Freeman?  Cost?  Value for cost.  Does he accept a platoon role?  Injury risk.  Maybe, for the right price.  Miller, just like Crowell coming off an ACL.  Do we really know how he recovered at this point.  Cost?  Does he really accept a platoon role?  Hyde?  Age. Journeyman at this point but does he accept a platoon role?  Frankly, I like Warren in the big back role better. Cheaper and much better as a pass catcher. 

Frankly, I think Miller wouldn’t want to platoon.  Both he and Crowell would be on one year, prove it deals coming off ACLs. Both are probably summer signees because of the ACLs.  I just doubt you get Freeman on a low enough contract despite his 3.6 YPC last year coming off the injury. Didn’t look like the same back.  I just don’t see value in Powell.  Problem with Hyde is he just isn’t good enough in my mind.  But he did have nice production last year.  Floating from one year deal to the next at this point but probably costs more than we would want  

Here’s one.  Spencer Ware.  Experience in AR offense.  Played for Doug in 2015. Platoon back.  Young enough.  Banged up last year but seemed recovered from the ankle surgery when he went down with what looked like a minor shoulder injury.  Doubt he costs any guarantees. I could see him and Corey as the vet signees.  Both fit this offense.  

4 minutes ago, obedt said:

That's very fair. Counter-argument is that (at least in rd 4) would be drafting for need when I don't think they were particularly close to being BPA. I think Wallace and Driscoll were both reasonable value at positions of need. 

I didn’t necessarily mean just round 4. Meant 4 onward could’ve. I’m actually surprised they didn’t take Dane Jackson. He reminded me a lot of jalen mills with how he plays (demeanor and attitude). Actually liked his skill at corner better than i did mills coming out

8 minutes ago, xBMTx said:

The defenders for the atrocious #53 pick say that a backup QB is important and points towards our Super Bowl run with Foles. What these defenders fail to realize that Hurts is a project QB will likely be a our #3QB for the next season. How does a #3 QB help us instead of drafting an impact, startable CB/WR/LB/S?

Who's beating him out for #2?  Sudfeld lost his job to McCown last year.  You'd best not have any faith in him.

 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Who's beating him out for #2?  Sudfeld lost his job to McCown last year.  You'd best not have any faith in him.

I’m just pointing out people poo pood it yesterday Dave went on the record and said it’s going to be very tough for him to be active on game days. When was the last time you heard Dave say that when the Eagles front office was hyping up the pick that they got and that they were going to use them in multiple different ways? We cannot like dave for closing the board but Dave doesn’t usually put something like that out there unless he was awarded the opportunity to By the Eagles as he never goes against their wishes. 

Another position I'm confused by is safety. Wallace was a good pick, great fit and his floor is probably 3rd Safety in Schwartz's heavily utilized big nickel look. At best he can project to fill Jenkins' role as a starter. We have Mills filling that role this year. Parks is decent depth and injury insurance. Then we have McLeod as more of a deep safety. Who backs him up? Who projects to replace him in the future? I don't think that best utilizes Wallace's traits. 

 

The guy I liked as heir to that is slated to start at CB, which is a greater immediate and long-term need. 

2 hours ago, Rhinoddd50 said:

Mine was similar, although I admit I didn't immediately go "Oh, OK"

As already mentioned my initial reaction wasn't just based on #53, it was a combination of factors (past and present).

But I guess if there are fans of any team in the NFL that should appreciate the value of a high quality backup QB, it should be Eagles fans.

So while debatable, there is also some logic behind it, even if one doesn't fully buy in to the final argument.

I don't think that they have shared the full truth behind the thought process of the pick, nor do I expect that they will.  That will develop and we'll see it as time progresses and this all plays out.  

 

It could turn out to be an absolutely terrible pick.  It could also turn out to be an absolute GENIUS pick.  Its possible that Carson has even already told the Eagles that he doesn't intend to play beyond the end of his current contract.  At that time, he'd be 32 years old, have earned over $100M and have a young family.  He wouldn't need to play, and given the way that he's racking up injuries, at some point it has to weigh on him as well.  But, the team can't say that either, because they would be painting him into a corner too.  Ultimately, we don't know enough information to truly evaluate this pick.  We can debate whether Hurts is a good QB prospect.  We can debate whether they should use him in games in place of Wentz or with Wentz at the same time.  But, what we really can't debate is the full thought process into the pick.  And Doug showed me that when he started talking like this kid:

 

 

17 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I mentioned this previously on this board, and in the past years ago on the other board.  

I'm not sure Howie has ever come out and said it this plainly, but Howie is telling the truth here.   

The Eagles were going to draft Russell Wilson, that was Andy's favorite in the 2012 draft.   He also liked Nick Foles.  

The Eagles had successfully traded back to Kevin Kolb in 2007, and they thought going into the 2012 draft they had time to wait into Round 3 for Wilson.

When Seattle took Russell Wilson at #85, the Eagles were stunned.   They had the selection card ready to turn in.   They then quickly traded #86 to Houson, and selected Nick Foles later in the bottom of Round 3.    (Interesting nugget: Houston drafted Brandon Brooks with #86).

Who was the Eagles QB Coach in 2012?   Doug Pederson.

By the way, this Russell Wilson and the Eagles in 2012 story was alluded to by Andy when Andy and the Chiefs traded up for Patrick Mahomes.   At the time Andy was asked why the Chiefs felt they needed to trade up so aggressively for Mahomes when projections did not have him as a Top 10 pick.   Andy mentioned another time in the past where he missed out on a guy he liked and he felt he did not want to ever risk getting "cute" again when it came to a player he believed in.   Andy didn't want to risk that Mahomes would fall into later Round 1 or early Round 2.

I get some Eagles fans hate this pick, but there is a legit Eagles / Andy Reid / Howie Roseman / Doug Pederson / Russell Wilson / Nick Foles in 2012 backstory to what probably influenced them to make this Jalen Hurts pick. 

The argument can still be made that it was a dumb pick at #53.  

But the influence of the 2012 experience on Howie and Doug's thinking was no doubt real, not just "after the fact" rationalizing. 

 

 

 

29 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Do we really think football will be cancelled?  I just can't see it happening.  The numbers we are reaching are nowhere near what charts and studies showed.  Part of that is because social distancing has worked but part of that is also that many of the predictions just haven't happened.  We need to reach a point where if you fear you will be infected then you stay home.  I'm sorry if that sounds ignorant but we must move forward as a society.  We can't just have our government keep approving billion and trillion dollar handouts (a lot of the money going to the wrong places to begin with).  We can't accept this as a new normal as so many are trying to push.  I fear that there's a lot of people in power who would like to see this as the new normal however.

Not just sports but events have to go on unless you want to see the entertainment culture we all love go away for good.  Taking away even one years worth of revenue brought in by college football would be devastating for universities.  Many of our events we love to go to....fairs, concerts, car shows you name it don't have the operating budget to just stop one year and pick up where they left off.  

College football is a different situation then Pro's. For college football to happen you need to first have campuses open. They already said if classes and campuses are closed, then so will athletic programs, so just playing in an empty arena isn't the same option for College as it is the pro's. Secondly, college football is a longer process to get the players ready. Coaches already said if they can't start their program by July 1, the players will not be ready to start on time end of August. And then finally, if there is a disruption and the schedule is delayed, there are going to be bowl games that are going on into the time period the prospects would be preparing for the combine. Because everything at the moment is so fluid and there is no way of knowing what can or will happen in the next few months, it might make sense for some to just jump into the supplemental draft instead of waiting to see how it all unfolds. 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I don't think that they have shared the full truth behind the thought process of the pick, nor do I expect that they will.  That will develop and we'll see it as time progresses and this all plays out.  

 

It could turn out to be an absolutely terrible pick.  It could also turn out to be an absolute GENIUS pick.  Its possible that Carson has even already told the Eagles that he doesn't intend to play beyond the end of his current contract.  At that time, he'd be 32 years old, have earned over $100M and have a young family.  He wouldn't need to play, and given the way that he's racking up injuries, at some point it has to weigh on him as well.  But, the team can't say that either, because they would be painting him into a corner too.  Ultimately, we don't know enough information to truly evaluate this pick.  We can debate whether Hurts is a good QB prospect.  We can debate whether they should use him in games in place of Wentz or with Wentz at the same time.  But, what we really can't debate is the full thought process into the pick.  And Doug showed me that when he started talking like this kid:

 

Funny you bring that up. I got to thinking that Wentz telling them behind the scenes that he wishes to play out his contract and move on would in fact help this pick make more sense. It would even be quite respectable by Wentz to give them a heads up when they had a chance to act on it. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m just pointing out people pooh-poohed it last yesterday Dave went on the record and said it’s going to be very tough for him to be active on game days. When was the last time you heard Dave say that when the Eagles front office was hyping up the pic that they got that they were going to use them in multiple different ways? We cannot like date for closing the board but Dave doesn’t usually put something like that out there unless he was awarded the opportunity to By the Eagles as he never goes against their wishes. 

Spadaro isn't as much of an insider as you give him credit for.  He has access to interview, but he had no insight the Hurts pick was even on the radar.  Any suggestion on his part regarding the Eagles plan with Hurts is pure guess on his part.

Lack of an offseason program will delay Hurts' integration, but he'll have a package of plays drawn up for him, even if it's only 2-3 per week to make the opponent spend time to gameplan for him.  By mid-season (whenever that might be) I predict he'll have supplanted Sudfeld.

26 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Really interesting thought.  Can a rising junior apply for the supp draft, or only rising senior?

 

They would still have to be 3 years removed from High School and the NFL would also have to alter its eligibility. In normal circumstances, Senior players can't just enter the supplemental draft because they changed their mind.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Spadaro isn't as much of an insider as you give him credit for.  He has access to interview, but he had no insight the Hurts pick was even on the radar.  Any suggestion on his part regarding the Eagles plan with Hurts is pure guess on his part.

Lack of an offseason program will delay Hurts' integration, but he'll have a package of plays drawn up for him, even if it's only 2-3 per week to make the opponent spend time to gameplan for him.  By mid-season (whenever that might be) I predict he'll have supplanted Sudfeld.

Again even so he shouldn’t put that out there because I’m guaranteeing the Eagles were not going to be thrilled that he put it out there if they disagreed with it and knowing he’s closer access to the team then other reporters someone would pick up on that and run with it. I’m guessing the Eagles probably didn’t want someone who is close to the organization putting out there it’s going to be very tough for him to be active on gameday. Again he doesn’t have to be an insider for the Eagles to get upset at him for saying something like that when he’s part of the organization as covering the team.

4 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Funny you bring that up. I got to thinking that Wentz telling them behind the scenes that he wishes to play out his contract and move on would in fact help this pick make more sense. It would even be quite respectable by Wentz to give them a heads up when they had a chance to act on it. 

To me that's the only rationale I can see with the Packers drafting Jordan Love.  Can you imagine that GB drafted zero WR talent and instead traded up to develop Rodgers' replacement?  I guess it's possible Rodgers gave GB a heads-up he's only got 2-3 years left, but Rodgers has never exactly been a 'company man" IMO