Not looking forward to the "Hurts2Ertz-era

23 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

If Lamar Chase declares... I spend my first round pick on him.

 

Lamar chase or ja marr chase?

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

I add it because I got berated for discussing a Jeff McLane report and because I apparently was "taking it as gospel.” It’s exhausting is all. 

Since when do you care about being berated? 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Really like the values of CEH and Akers. #1 RBs on good offenses will put up good stats.

Was going to say Akers is a really good value at 20-1. I think dobbins has some good value as well at 16-1. Mark ingram has had durability concerns in the past, is 30  and i think dobbins can be a three down back. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think the greatest value of that pick is really going to start in 2021. I think 2020 if you’re asking a lot of rookie quarterback to go out there with no OTAs and no minicamps and be the no. 2 off the bat. It’s not just hurts in 2020 i think burrow is also going to have more growing pains then he should due to the same reason but the bengals are going to suck anyway so they can live through them. the greatest value of the pick imo is year 2021, 2022. Then 2023 they have a decision of trading him to get draft capital or one last year as a backup (assuming if he’s good enough he’ll want a chance to start elsewhere and leave after year 4)

i like jalen hurts the player and he’s going to be a solid-good backup with time. I believe that cause i believed that coming into the draft. 

Going into the draft I was looking for the Eagles to grab S or DE at #53.  The DE I wanted was Marlon Davidson and he went #48, so either Jeremy Chinn or Ashtyn Davis likely would have been my pick (perhaps Denzel Mims who the Eagles paid a lot of attention to pre-draft, apparently).

If K'Von Wallace turns out to be as good a pick as I think he could -- I believe he'll be a starter in 2021 -- then I really have no complaints

1 minute ago, greend said:

Not looking forward to the "Hurts2Ertz-era

I bet a ton of fans right now would prefer "Hurts2Dallas-era”

17 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

He will go long before the Eagles pick.  

Yeah... I know.  

4 hours ago, justrelax said:

What you only seem to get is that having a quality second QB is a waste of a roster spot until the starter goes down. At that point, however, he becomes invaluable. It's not the norm but it happens. Nine times in the Super Bowl, for example, Foles being only the most recent.

And we needed our second quarterback the last three seasons straight, so maybe that's more the norm.

Statistically last year was something like close to 25% that a Starting QB would miss time. I think that includes Luck.  Literally that means in every division one team lost its starting QB.  For at least a game.  Whether we like it or not, the statistics support having a quality backup.  With the 2021 cap limitations this looks like a smart move.  Just wish I liked Hurts more.  It’s the progressions in his read, or lack thereof, that bothers me.  That’s why he was replaced by Tua.  

4 minutes ago, greend said:

Not looking forward to the "Hurts2Ertz-era

Well, if you listen to the folks around here, Zach will be traded shortly... so, no worries there.

49 minutes ago, Rhinoddd50 said:

I mentioned this previously on this board, and in the past years ago on the other board.  

I'm not sure Howie has ever come out and said it this plainly, but Howie is telling the truth here.   

The Eagles were going to draft Russell Wilson, that was Andy's favorite in the 2012 draft.   He also liked Nick Foles.  

The Eagles had successfully traded back to Kevin Kolb in 2007, and they thought going into the 2012 draft they had time to wait into Round 3 for Wilson.

When Seattle took Russell Wilson at #85, the Eagles were stunned.   They had the selection card ready to turn in.   They then quickly traded #86 to Houson, and selected Nick Foles later in the bottom of Round 3.    (Interesting nugget: Houston drafted Brandon Brooks with #86).

Who was the Eagles QB Coach in 2012?   Doug Pederson.

By the way, this Russell Wilson and the Eagles in 2012 story was alluded to by Andy when Andy and the Chiefs traded up for Patrick Mahomes.   At the time Andy was asked why the Chiefs felt they needed to trade up so aggressively for Mahomes when projections did not have him as a Top 10 pick.   Andy mentioned another time in the past where he missed out on a guy he liked and he felt he did not want to ever risk getting "cute" again when it came to a player he believed in.   Andy didn't want to risk that Mahomes would fall into later Round 1 or early Round 2.

I get some Eagles fans hate this pick, but there is a legit Eagles / Andy Reid / Howie Roseman / Doug Pederson / Russell Wilson / Nick Foles in 2012 backstory to what probably influenced them to make this Jalen Hurts pick. 

The argument can still be made that it was a dumb pick at #53.  

But the influence of the 2012 experience on Howie and Doug's thinking was no doubt real, not just "after the fact" rationalizing. 

 

 

 

Awesome read. 

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

Really like the values of CEH and Akers. #1 RBs on good offenses will put up good stats.

I find it amusing that Jordan Love at 33/1 is better odds than Hurts at 50/1.  Part of it is strictly draft slot I'm sure -- but it implies a better likelihood of Rodgers being out than Wentz.

 

6 minutes ago, greend said:

Not looking forward to the "Hurts2Ertz-era

Better than Wentz to Ertz in the names that send tz. 

12 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I am not sure that he's 100% the #3 QB as the season goes on and I do think Doug wouldn't hesitate to use Hurts if he shows promise in the season but yeah ultimately he's the number 3 starting the season. 

I think he will be the back up and Sudfeld's job is now to help him be ready.  One thing is abundantly clear:  Eagles don't want Sudfeld on the field.  

7 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I believe that Hurts, with a full season under his belt, would have given us a better chance to beat Seattle than McCown.

Also, as has been said earlier, the FO can't come out and say they are worried about Carson.  But they are and this pick (their actions) support that.

So I understand the strategy, but I am not sure that the tactic (using #53) was appropriate.

I get the idea too.  They want someone at backup QB that can win if Wentz gets hurt.  But was Hurts supposed to go this high?

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Going into the draft I was looking for the Eagles to grab S or DE at #53.  The DE I wanted was Marlon Davidson and he went #48, so either Jeremy Chinn or Ashtyn Davis likely would have been my pick (perhaps Denzel Mims who the Eagles paid a lot of attention to pre-draft, apparently).

If K'Von Wallace turns out to be as good a pick as I think he could -- I believe he'll be a starter in 2021 -- then I really have no complaints

I was actually pretty excited right around pick 48 when jaylen Johnson was still on the board. Diggs was still on the board. And Fulton was still on the board. I thought all three of those guys even if you didn’t love one of those guys had the opportunity to compete and start for the outside corner position from day one. My preference was Johnson because I think he fit better but he also had durability concerns. But the Bears took them before so I didn’t really make a difference. And I didn’t think there’s any chance the Eagles were going to take Fulton with his off the field baggage. 
 

That said, with who was on the board if they didn’t take hurts for me it would’ve come down to mims, Ezra Cleveland, Logan wilson or Willie gay jr. 

8 minutes ago, greend said:

Not looking forward to the "Hurts2Ertz-era

By the time Hurts is ready, Ertz will be too old.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yeah... I know.  

Dreamers make the world go round.  It would be some kind of sweet to get him

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

I get the idea too.  They want someone at backup QB that can win if Wentz gets hurt.  But was Hurts supposed to go this high?

I'd always heard early 3rd round for Hurts.  I don't think there's any way he'd have been there at #103 -- and Eagles fans would have been just as ticked if we'd traded up in the 3rd for him.

4 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Anything is possible, but if Chase came out in this draft, he'd have been the unquestioned top prospect at WR.  And there's no way that Henry Ruggs goes first off the board.

 

I loved how people kept saying during (and after) the draft that CeeDee Lamb was the top WR prospect... yet, 2 teams clearly disagreed with that and there's no way to argue it differently.  Ruggs went to the Raiders, they clearly preferred Ruggs to Lamb.  Denver went with Jeudy, clearly he was the preferred prospect by them.  And according to reports, SF had Aiyuk rated higher than Lamb as well, and might have grabbed him had Kinlaw not been sitting there (or they might have traded back further and still grabbed him). So, there's a definite answer of 2 teams, possibly 3 that had Lamb as no higher than number 2 on the list.  

Personally, I also had Jefferson as the #4 prospect and he was sitting there for the Eagles at #21.  And yet, the Eagles preferred Reagor.  Now, I could go on and on and **** and moan about it, or I could recognize what they were looking for at 21 wasn't what Jefferson brings to the table, but a guy who could provide a stretching of the field.  Reagor does that far more than Jefferson.  I still think Jefferson will be a great pro, but I'm not going to act like there's no logical reasoning behind the choice.  Nor am I going to act like my evaluations were the only way to look at things.

I had Jefferson as my number 3 WR.   Ruggs was my #4.   Reagor and Higgins were close at #5.  I just don’t trust Aiyuk as not a one year wonder. Lamb was my #2.  I figure Jeudy is least likely to bust followed by Jefferson.  My most likely to bust of the top four is Ruggs but not by much over Lamb.  Lamb could be a Dez Bryant.  He could as easily be Michael Crabtree.  He will benefit from being on the field with Cooper.   He benefitted from Rambo and a pretty good TE at Oklahoma.  

25 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

He will go long before the Eagles pick.  

Maybe we can trade pick 32 and 64 to move up

9 minutes ago, greend said:

Since when do you care about being berated? 

When it completely takes away from the discussion at hand, which it did then, and it has with the Hurts pick. Things have a way of spiraling out of hand in here. 

Of course, I’ve contributed to that many times. 

9 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I believe that Hurts, with a full season under his belt, would have given us a better chance to beat Seattle than McCown.

Also, as has been said earlier, the FO can't come out and say they are worried about Carson.  But they are and this pick (their actions) support that.

So I understand the strategy, but I am not sure that the tactic (using #53) was appropriate.

Well if Hurts was a part of our plans all along but no one but us knew it then I see why they jumped at 53. We weren’t drafting for another 50 spots after that and Roseman seemed adamant on not trading up this year. 
 

#53 seemed like a steep price to pay but like with many draft picks, we may not see this value show it’s return for a while, especially at the QB position. 

5 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

I think he will be the back up and Sudfeld's job is now to help him be ready.  One thing is abundantly clear:  Eagles don't want Sudfeld on the field.  

It's clear being the QB factory that they are.  They're trading  Sudfeld for 3 1st rounders 😉

10 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I had Jefferson as my number 3 WR.   Ruggs was my #4.   Reagor and Higgins were close at #5.  I just don’t trust Aiyuk as not a one year wonder. Lamb was my #2.  I figure Jeudy is least likely to bust followed by Jefferson.  My most likely to bust of the top four is Ruggs but not by much over Lamb.  Lamb could be a Dez Bryant.  He could as easily be Michael Crabtree.  He will benefit from being on the field with Cooper.   He benefitted from Rambo and a pretty good TE at Oklahoma.  

Where did Rambo actually sign? I liked him coming out. He was fast but undersized (weight not height) I wouldn’t have been upset if they would’ve taken him 7 or signed him udfa (say that cause when this started in January the mock draft sites had him on there to select late)

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Awesome read. 

Yeah. He’s good.