2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I had Jefferson as my number 3 WR.   Ruggs was my #4.   Reagor and Higgins were close at #5.  I just don’t trust Aiyuk as not a one year wonder. Lamb was my #2.  I figure Jeudy is least likely to bust followed by Jefferson.  My most likely to bust of the top four is Ruggs but not by much over Lamb.  Lamb could be a Dez Bryant.  He could as easily be Michael Crabtree.  He will benefit from being on the field with Cooper.   He benefitted from Rambo and a pretty good TE at Oklahoma.  

How about how early Van Jefferson went?  I liked him as a 3rd round guy at #103 before I heard about his foot injury; figured he'd be a good pick at #127.

Rams took him at #57

59 minutes ago, Rhinoddd50 said:

I mentioned this previously on this board, and in the past years ago on the other board.  

I'm not sure Howie has ever come out and said it this plainly, but Howie is telling the truth here.   

And the reality is that everything comes down to one thing:  Can Jalen Hurts play?

 

If Hurts is who they seem to think he is (Doug was absolutely BEAMING when they made this pick - thanks to the new system with cameras on all the major players in the draft constantly... we got to basically see Doug in the moment!), then they have a plan in place for him, and this will ultimately work out well... in some fashion or form.  

If Hurts is NOT who they seem to think he is, but rather he is who those who are dead set against this pick think he is, then it's a bad pick.  A bad... BAD pick. 

 

Time will tell.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Where did Rambo actually sign? I liked him coming out. He was fast but undersized. I wouldn’t have been upset if they would’ve taken him 7 or signed him udfa

Rambo didn’t come out, isn’t eligible yet. 

12 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

How about how early Van Jefferson went?  I liked him as a 3rd round guy at #103 before I heard about his foot injury; figured he'd be a good pick at #127.

Rams took him at #57

Not only that I don’t even like the fit with the Rams as you have Cooper Kupp who is playing the same role and i think is more explosive. . Unless the rams are willing to let Cooper Kupp go which  in my mind doesn’t seem to make much sense

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Maybe we can trade pick 32 and 64 to move up

Watch Andy Reid do just that

6 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

It's clear being the QB factory that they are.  They're trading  Sudfeld for 3 1st rounders 😉

Deal already in place!

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Rambo didn’t come out, isn’t eligible yet. 

Ah i thought he was.  Still like him. I asked cause i know i took him in a couple mocks before the combine and senior bowl and was like why is he going so low lol

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Ah i thought he was.  Still like him. I asked cause i know i took him in a couple mocks before the combine and senior bowl and was like why is he going so low lol

He will have at least a 3rd round grade on him when he comes out, depending on how well he does next season and the combine.  He’s a burner and if you watch Hurts’ highlight reel seems like at least half of his deep play bombs were to Rambo. 

9 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Yeah. He’s good.

It was worth creating a new EMB.

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

He will have at least a 3rd round grade on him when he comes out, depending on how well he does next season and the combine.  He’s a burner and if you watch Hurts’ highlight reel seems like at least half of his deep play bombs were to Rambo. 

Oh I know he’s burner. That’s why I really liked him when they had him on TDN as a six round pick this year in January. I took him every single time because I knew he was a burner. The kid is fast as hell and I was like they must know something with off the field if he’s going this late. But it makes more sense as their draft board in January wasn’t up-to-date and he was available when he shouldn’t of been. And it also explains why later on when I kept doing drafts I could never find him

14 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Maybe we can trade pick 32 and 64 to move up

we need 64 for the back up to Hurts

30 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I believe that Hurts, with a full season under his belt, would have given us a better chance to beat Seattle than McCown.

Also, as has been said earlier, the FO can't come out and say they are worried about Carson.  But they are and this pick (their actions) support that.

So I understand the strategy, but I am not sure that the tactic (using #53) was appropriate.

When Adam caplan dropped a tweet saying the Eagles were "very interested” in Jordan love that’s what made me start to believe what you just put out there. Now caplan could be full of crap which wouldn’t surprise me Or any of us but IF and that’s a big if he’s actually correct on that then what you just said makes me feel that way too

4 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

And Jalen Hurts.  A rookie QB with serious accuracy issues is that solution?  Spare me.  Please.  

Accuracy is not an issue with Hurts. Worst year, he was 60% passer in the SEC as a sophomore.  As a back up/relief player in 2018, he was at 72%.  Last year in Lincoln Riley’s pass happy offense, he was close to 70%. Better than Kyler Murray and nipping at the heals of Baker Mayfield.  Do you watch college football at all?  
 

The main thing I can complain about with Hurts is he trusts his feet so much that he tends too much to a one read and run.   Now that is not to say he locks on to a single receiver, he really doesn’t lock in.  He makes a quick decision if the route is open and runs.  In Riley’s offense the QB can usually see two receivers in a look.  That said, you don’t see him read the other areas as much as I would like. 

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Accuracy is not an issue with Hurts. Worst year, he was 60% passer in the SEC as a sophomore.  As a back up/relief player in 2018, he was at 72%.  Last year in Lincoln Riley’s pass happy offense, he was close to 70%. Better than Kyler Murray and nipping at the heals of Baker Mayfield.  Do you watch college football at all?  
 

The main thing I can complain about with Hurts is he trusts his feet so much that he tends too much to a one read and run.   Now that is not to say he locks on to a single receiver, he really doesn’t lock in.  He makes a quick decision if the route is open and runs.  In Riley’s offense the QB can usually see two receivers in a look.  That said, you don’t see him read the other areas as much as I would like. 

Curious question for you who was your choice for QB In the draft assuming they took one round 2-7

As a Bama fan, the thing I like about Hurts is that he improved every year.  He still has issues with holding the ball too long but the difference between his Freshman year to his year at Oklahoma is night and day.  And you can see his improvement in a lot of areas year to year for his entire college career.

He made improvements from his Freshman year to his Sophomore year.  Though it was incremental and it obviously wasn't enough, since he was replaced in the National Championship game.  There's a lot of backstory and build up that went into that decision.  Everyone knows how good their receiving core was and a lot of people behind the scenes started worrying that they might lose some of the super freshmen (Juedy, Ruggs, Smith) in the off season.  Now that probably isn't why Saban pulled Hurts at half-time but it certainly had the effect of keeping those guys from getting wandering eyes had they lost in the championship game and had those guys felt underutilized.

But the real improvement I saw with Hurts was in the year where he sat on the bench behind Tua.  He was a man and amazing teammate about the benching decision but not only that, he seemed to learn from Tua, playing great in spots (blowouts) and then he was ready when Tua went down in the SEC Championship.  He looked in command of the offense, made some beautiful throws, wasn't afraid of the pressure (coming in cold) and led the team to the win.  I'm not going to lie, after that game, I started having second thoughts about the Tua/Hurts dynamic.  Injury issues were already starting to crop up for Tua and Hurts just looked so much better than Tua in that game that I started wondering if we had made the wrong decision.  Then, when we lost in the National Championship to Clemson, that thought kind of lingered.

But the decision had already been made and Hurts walked.  When he went to Oklahoma, he looked on a whole other level.  Now obviously a lot of that can be attributed to Lincoln Riley's offense, but when you put Senior Hurts side by side with Freshman Hurts, he's a completely different person.  So, that gives me hope that he can come in, take in the coaching and continue to improve.  I thought I'd add my two cents.  Now, back to CVON!

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think the greatest value of that pick is really going to start in 2021. I think 2020 if you’re asking a lot of rookie quarterback to go out there with no OTAs and no minicamps and be the no. 2 off the bat. It’s not just hurts in 2020 i think burrow is also going to have more growing pains then he should due to the same reason but the bengals are going to suck anyway so they can live through them. the greatest value of the pick imo is year 2021, 2022. Then 2023 they have a decision of trading him to get draft capital or one last year as a backup (assuming if he’s good enough he’ll want a chance to start elsewhere and leave after year 4)

i like jalen hurts the player and he’s going to be a solid-good backup with time. I believe that cause i believed that coming into the draft. 

Yup. As a baseline, ~3.5 years as the backup QB in a new scheme starting this year, at a cheap price, is how I view Hurts as an Eagle.

And I'm fine with it.  Moivng on.

Anything more, including any starts needed for injury, or any of kind of trade value, is a bonus.

4 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

do we want a 2021 scouting thread on the new board?

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/04/27/way-too-early-nfl-2021-mock-draft

way to early and completely useless 2021 mock draft but an early peek at expectations. Chase and Waddle are my wr #1 and 2 and that seems to be a fairly common position. Ross at Clemson maybe third

I put a Scouts Notebook in the draft forum if anyone is interested. 

2 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

Yup. As a baseline, ~3.5 years as the backup QB in a new scheme starting this year, at a cheap price, is how I view Hurts as an Eagle.

And I'm fine with it.  Moivng on.

Anything more, including any starts needed for injury, or any of kind of trade value, is a bonus.

Honestly at this point the pic is what it is. You hope it works out. Hurts is here he’s going to be the back up quarterback moving forward so that is what it is.

I’m actually more concerned right now about the number two cornerback spot. I get people like Avante maddox and still have hopes for Sidney Jones, but I’m not as high on either being the corner opposite of slay. But I don’t know who’s out there that was really going to make that much of an improvement at your number two corner spot besides amukamara but i don’t have a clue how good he was last year with the bears to even say that. 

6 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

As a Bama fan, the thing I like about Hurts is that he improved every year.  He still has issues with holding the ball too long but the difference between his Freshman year to his year at Oklahoma is night and day.  And you can see his improvement in a lot of areas year to year for his entire college career.

He made improvements from his Freshman year to his Sophomore year.  Though it was incremental and it obviously wasn't enough, since he was replaced in the National Championship game.  There's a lot of backstory and build up that went into that decision.  Everyone knows how good their receiving core was and a lot of people behind the scenes started worrying that they might lose some of the super freshmen (Juedy, Ruggs, Smith) in the off season.  Now that probably isn't why Saban pulled Hurts at half-time but it certainly had the effect of keeping those guys from getting wandering eyes had they lost in the championship game and had those guys felt underutilized.

But the real improvement I saw with Hurts was in the year where he sat on the bench behind Tua.  He was a man and amazing teammate about the benching decision but not only that, he seemed to learn from Tua, playing great in spots (blowouts) and then he was ready when Tua went down in the SEC Championship.  He looked in command of the offense, made some beautiful throws, wasn't afraid of the pressure (coming in cold) and led the team to the win.  I'm not going to lie, after that game, I started having second thoughts about the Tua/Hurts dynamic.  Injury issues were already starting to crop up for Tua and Hurts just looked so much better than Tua in that game that I started wondering if we had made the wrong decision.  Then, when we lost in the National Championship to Clemson, that thought kind of lingered.

But the decision had already been made and Hurts walked.  When he went to Oklahoma, he looked on a whole other level.  Now obviously a lot of that can be attributed to Lincoln Riley's offense, but when you put Senior Hurts side by side with Freshman Hurts, he's a completely different person.  So, that gives me hope that he can come in, take in the coaching and continue to improve.  I thought I'd add my two cents.  Now, back to CVON!

I'm a UGA fan and brought both SEC Championship games up and I couldn't agree more. I knew the minute he came in for Tua we were done. He just had that look in his eye. He'll be ready when his name is called I believe that.

Legitimately excited to see our aDot (average depth of target) above 5 this year.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Honestly at this point the pic is what it is. You hope it works out. Hurts is here he’s going to be the back up quarterback moving forward so that is what it is.

I’m actually more concerned right now about the number two cornerback spot. I get people like Avante maddox and still have hopes for Sidney Jones, but I’m not as high on either being the corner opposite of slay. But I don’t know who’s out there that was really going to make that much of an improvement at your number two corner spot besides amukamara but i don’t have a clue how good he was last year with the bears to even say that. 

My (blind?)  hope is that whomever mans that spot gets additional safety help than what was afforded last year thanks to the presence of Slay. 

1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Are they clearly not upgrades?! We should just hand an UDFA rookie the backup job going into a shortened offseason? 
 

Where did I imply UDFA rookie can’t be good? The guys I’ve listed have all proven to be productive at the highest level. Not saying they still are but holy crap at least sign a cheap insurance policy. 

Scott showed more than either of those guys. Neither of them is a clear upgrade, no. There is a reason they are middle aged journeymen, and teams are catching on to the fact that rooks can play and give you that cheaply. 

With some time to digest and think about things, here are a few random thoughts after the draft

-The Eagles decided to kick the can down the road at least one more year at DE, which probably had more to do with it being a poor DL draft

-The Eagles will hopefully sign Freeman/Hyde/McCoy because backup RB is the one big need they have remaining

-Drafting Watkins after trading down for extra picks already taking Hightower was them getting a free lottery ticket in their mind

-They actually believe that one of Maddox or Jones can be the number 2 corner

-That actually happened, the Eagles did draft Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round and I am still utterly shocked and confused by it

7 minutes ago, BGDutchNorris said:

I'm a UGA fan and brought both SEC Championship games up and I couldn't agree more. I knew the minute he came in for Tua we were done. He just had that look in his eye. He'll be ready when his name is called I believe that.

Agree.  I don't necessarily think it was a good pick from a value/team needs perspective, but I have a lot of faith in Hurts the player.  He'll take in the coaching and improve.  Whether that improvement ever shows itself on this team or not remains to be seen, but I think he'll find a way to show it somewhere.

13 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

Yup. As a baseline, ~3.5 years as the backup QB in a new scheme starting this year, at a cheap price, is how I view Hurts as an Eagle.

And I'm fine with it.  Moivng on.

Anything more, including any starts needed for injury, or any of kind of trade value, is a bonus.

I could also see Carson playing thru this contract and maybe hanging it up. He'd have the money to, he'd be 31, and would not take anymore hits that could harm him long term (like Luck sort of). Then we would have Jalen who's been learning for 4 years and ready to go. Just a thought